Religion/Spirituality Athiest re-write the 10 commandments

[Thsnnor]

I don't question something I don't believe in. I don't care if you don't believe it. Your statement about everyone believing in God remains false and now you're grabbing at straws.

Don't need to grab straws. My believing or not believing will not have any affect on your sleep or mine. We aren't even discussing the OT any more. Want to start a new thread and discuss there fine. For this topic the 10 commandments of Athiest are subject to interpretation because each of the 10 hold different subjective values for different people.

 

[noon]

Don't need to grab straws. My believing or not believing will not have any affect on your sleep or mine. We aren't even discussing the OT any more. Want to start a new thread and discuss there fine. For this topic the 10 commandments of Athiest are subject to interpretation because each of the 10 hold different subjective values for different people.

Now you're going off topic about your statement being false.

 

[Ms.CuriousCat]

@YaBoy @the cac mamba @

What you wrote isn't a cohesive logical statement . There are "waves below the waves we see in the ocean", but Muhammed lived in the desert? What are you even saying?
& you never answered my question: What are some examples of things that make so much sense to you and that'll make me ok with not seeing a creator?
I mean for you personally, what are these things so concrete in your mind that they have to be attributed to god?

Do you understand the significance of the messenger Muhammed (pbuh) being an illiterate man who lived in the desert?

Point 1

All the things I stated were verses from the Quran paraphrased, I could google the actual verses for you; on the Pharoah, on the ocean and the nature of the waves, there is an embryologist who reverted to Islam based on verses on embryology etc

e.g. the waves

Quran:
Or (the unbelievers' state) is like the darkness in a deep sea. It is covered by waves, above which are waves, above which are clouds. Darkness, one above another. If a man stretches out his hand, he cannot see it...
[Noble Quran 24:40]

Science:
Researchers found the waves, which are also known as internal waves, form at the boundary between two layers of water with different densities in a deep ocean trench in the South Pacific Ocean.

Those are pieces of information found in the Quran which are only recently being understood. Context: The Quran was written about 1400 years ago through the narrations of Muhammed (pbuh) [Muslims believe it is the actual word of Allah, narrated through the Angel Jibril (Gabriel)]

Point 2

On a personal level it was the differences between the passages in the Bible and the Quran that made my faith stronger, knowing that those words came from the creator and could not have been from a human being. So anything new that is "discovered" by science is just a casual observation for me, fells good like another verse is understood but I know that I won't understand everything, I won't know everything and that's okay.

Final words

There are plenty of videos on YouTube on this topic if you want to learn more. Like I said, I am not qualified to have a debate on religion and don't have the knowledge to teach about Islam but these are my personal reasons.

 

[the cac mamba]

@YaBoy @the cac mamba @


Do you understand the significance of the messenger Muhammed (pbuh) being an illiterate man who lived in the desert?

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do you understand the significance of joseph smith finding the golden plates by himself?

 

[Ms.CuriousCat]

do you understand the significance of joseph smith finding the golden plates by himself?

Did you read the rest of the post? Such a prick

 

[the cac mamba]

Did you read the rest of the post? Such a prick

interesting could be a coincidence, maybe not

 

[Commander in Chiefin]

No because I genuinely believe that there is no way that you all the way down to your bones believe for sure that there is no creator

So let me get this straight..........You're telling me that you "genuinely believe" you know more about me than I do myself and about my own beliefs ? If that is not arrogance in and of itself I do not know what is. And for your record, no I do not believe in a "creator", there is no man in the sky, wizard behind the curtain, that did this. I believe in science and that man was created through evolution and adapting through the times.

 

[Liu Kang]

Was this thread moved ?

 

[Ms.CuriousCat]

interesting could be a coincidence, maybe not

That's the hang up that either makes you want to find out more so you learn and make an informed decision or ignore it and make excuses before you even look into it like the folks Allah described in that verse, completely blind but don't even realise it.

If you had a blank book and decided to fill it with 114 chapters of writing, what do you think are the chances of you writing something that 1400 years from now will be a scientific discovery and make someone wonder if it's all a coincidence? Also have you ever heard the Quran, the rhyming and melody of it is amazing. At the time when it was written the Arabs believed that Muhammad (pbuh) was using magic because of the way it was phrased. Plenty of non-Muslims say they listen to it to relax/meditate.

If you want to listen: http://beta.quranexplorer.com/#1/1/7/

 

[Ms.CuriousCat]

So let me get this straight..........You're telling me that you "genuinely believe" you know more about me than I do myself and about my own beliefs ? If that is not arrogance in and of itself I do not know what is. And for your record, no I do not believe in a "creator", there is no man in the sky, wizard behind the curtain, that did this. I believe in science and that man was created through evolution and adapting through the times.

Okay my apologies then

 

[Commander in Chiefin]

Was this thread moved ?

yup, its in higher learning now

 

[Commander in Chiefin]

Okay my apologies then

Apology accepted. I guess we'll just agree to disagree on religion and creation

 

[YaBoy]

@YaBoy @the cac mamba @




Point 2

On a personal level it was the differences between the passages in the Bible and the Quran that made my faith stronger, knowing that those words came from the creator and could not have been from a human being. So anything new that is "discovered" by science is just a casual observation for me, fells good like another verse is understood but I know that I won't understand everything, I won't know everything and that's okay.
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What do you mean by "the differences between the passages" made your faith stronger?
& how do you know those words came from the creator and not from a human?

 

[Ms.CuriousCat]

What do you mean by "the differences between the passages" made your faith stronger?
& how do you know those words came from the creator and not from a human?

Differences: The parts of the Bible that made me question it, the Quran didn't have that. Like resting on the seventh day, that was strange. There's 2 creation passages in the Bible, again not in the Quran. Basically I didn't find anything that I thought of as a contradiction so seeing that stark difference made me appreciate the significance of that many pages of genuine text and the difficultly of it being from a human mind.

Coming from creator: The context of it, Muhammed (pbuh) is a historically verifiable figure. Like I said in my first point in the previous post you can see how the content of the Quran is unlikely to be from him.


Conclusion: Basically Christianity did me a massive favour because it juxtaposed what I would require from a religion I could believe in and Islam lived up to it for me.

 

[YaBoy]

Differences: The parts of the Bible that made me question it, the Quran didn't have that. Like resting on the seventh day, that was strange. There's 2 creation passages in the Bible, again not in the Quran. Basically I didn't find anything that I thought of as a contradiction so seeing that stark difference made me appreciate the significance of that many pages of genuine text and the difficultly of it being from a human mind.

Coming from creator: The context of it, Muhammed (pbuh) is a historically verifiable figure. Like I said in my first point in the previous post you can see how the content of the Quran is unlikely to be from him.


Conclusion: Basically Christianity did me a massive favour because it juxtaposed what I would require from a religion I could believe in and Islam lived up to it for me.

So you were looking for a God to believe in?