Religion/Spirituality Athiest re-write the 10 commandments

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[Jahmal]

I was born a believer just as I believe you were, as you grow older you have to question and reason. For me it was through learning Christianity that I became a Muslim by choice. Not believing in God is not something that comes naturally to me, like I'd have to go out of my way to dismiss everything I know and I can't unknow it.

You were not born a believer. You had no concept of religion until your parents brainwashed you into believing whatever religion they were apart of.

 

[MouseTeeth]

Number 7 is basically the universal commandment that Jesus taught in the bible ....I'm an "atheist" not in the strict sense that I firmly believe there is no god I just don't know either way bc it's impossible to tell....I'm not gonna come down on somebody for believing what they believe, unless they try to push it on me or make laws favoring their beliefs over mine...

 

[Claudex]

Assuming after you said let me be an atheist for a minute the rest of your text was if an atheist wrote it, why would an atheist dismiss the wellbeing of their children and families' future because YOLO? Is that reasonable thinking to you? Do you feel not believing there is a God makes you less reasonable?

Obviously my post was a very crude generalization of atheists and all – it being in part a post admittedly . However the genuine crux of my question remains pretty visible I'd guess, and that would be: if say, a particular type of person – a morally ambiguous one – were an atheist, what would their parameters be for being reasonable? To put it simply, for such a person, why would dismissing the wellbeing of their children and families be unreasonable?

To go even deeper in my question: what would the concept of good be like for this particularly morally ambiguous atheists?

Not that I'm advocating anything – I'm very cool with atheists of all walks of life – but there is a concept of good in christianity and interestingly enough that concept is part of a reward and a punishment system (one must admire the old dude's that wrote the bible's level of understanding of what motivates most humans; rewards). Atheism doesn't seem to have a system of reward so I'm trying to find out whether it actually does, can you help?

Also,
Thanks for my first neg. I wasn't expecting it so it did catch me off-guard but I know I deserved it

@Melbournelad maybe you could be part of this discourse too.

 

[Thsnnor]

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[NoMayo15]

Obviously my post was a very crude generalization of atheists and all – it being in part a post admittedly . However the genuine crux of my question remains pretty visible I'd guess, and that would be: if say, a particular type of person – a morally ambiguous one – were an atheist, what would their parameters be for being reasonable? To put it simply, for such a person, why would dismissing the wellbeing of their children and families be unreasonable?

To go even deeper in my question: what would the concept of good be like for this particularly morally ambiguous atheists?

Well, as far as I can tell, it wouldn't be unreasonable for a morally ambiguous person to not care about the wellbeing of others. If you're already defining the character of this person, then by definition he's acting in accordance with his moral principles (or lack thereof). But it's not necessarily beneficial to him by to behave such a way.

Not that I'm advocating anything – I'm very cool with atheists of all walks of life – but there is a concept of good in christianity and interestingly enough that concept is part of a reward and a punishment system

Generally speaking, atheists also have a concept of good, but it's not derived from their atheism. It's usually derived from some other worldview -- Secular Humanism is common. But what it comes down to is this: For any action, there are benefits and consequences. So it's kind of silly for you to suggest you can control someone else's body, and there not be any consequence. Suppose you don't face any legal or supernatural punishment for this act. You might be doing tangible harm to this person, which might make it likely for them or others to reciprocate that harm later. Or if you kill yourself to avoid that consequence, your death IS your punishment.

(one must admire the old dude's that wrote the bible's level of understanding of what motivates most humans; rewards).

And why is that admirable? To notice something very fundamental about the ... not even human, but what motivates practically every animal? You can make a fukkin bear ride a bicycle if you reward/punish it enough. That's not some kind of like mind blowing knowledge or observation.

 

[HideoKojima]

I don't know how atheists center their whole existence around "you're wrong. Science. Im right". Why can't you just let people believe what they want to believe

 

[NoMayo15]

I don't know how atheists center their whole existence around "you're wrong. Science. Im right". Why can't you just let people believe what they want to believe

....They can. Oh I'm sorry, I forgot atheists in the US were locking up Christians, and forcing them to disbelieve.

 

[Claudex]

Well, as far as I can tell, it wouldn't be unreasonable for a morally ambiguous person to not care about the wellbeing of others. If you're already defining the character of this person, then by definition he's acting in accordance with his moral principles (or lack thereof). But it's not necessarily beneficial to him by to behave such a way.

Generally speaking, atheists also have a concept of good, but it's not derived from their atheism. It's usually derived from some other worldview -- Secular Humanism is common. But what it comes down to is this: For any action, there are benefits and consequences. So it's kind of silly for you to suggest you can control someone else's body, and there not be any consequence. Suppose you don't face any legal or supernatural punishment for this act. You might be doing tangible harm to this person, which might make it likely for them or others to reciprocate that harm later. Or if you kill yourself to avoid that consequence, your death IS your punishment.

And why is that admirable? To notice something very fundamental about the ... not even human, but what motivates practically every animal? You can make a fukkin bear ride a bicycle if you reward/punish it enough. That's not some kind of like mind blowing knowledge or observation.

Addressed from the bottom to the top.

It's admirable because billions of people believing in a Christian God >>>> teaching a single bear to ride a bike. Not many out there could create a system of belief that's as ever lasting. So please, let's give the inventors of the bible their due praise. Many brilliant men have come and gone since christianity hit the floor, the bible converted many of those brilliant men to Christianity themselves and many others who didn't adhere to the Christian standards did not dare go against it due to how impeccably imbedded the programing was in the minds of its followers. Only recently in the 21st century has the atheism managed to finally gain some ground, and Jesus is gonna be turning 2015 tomorrow a man who we virtually know nothing about outside of religious texts.

That makes Christianity at least extraordinary, wouldn't you say so?

You say that for any action there are benefits and consequences, but I'm not sure that's how life usually goes tbh. No good deeds go unpunished and very good people are dying as I'm typing. Children are being preyed upon at this very moment and I'm certainly not the one about to make a case that their suffering is a reaction for their own actions. I personally believe that sometimes there's no consequences for bad deeds, and that there's consequences for good deeds. This world/universe is just chaotic that way. Chaotic enough for these sayings to hold ground in reality:

"When one man dies it is a tragedy, when thousands die it's statistics." - Truman (allegedly)
"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, but give a man a bank and he can rob the world." - Unknown


A bunch of shyt happens for no graspable reason, which is why I believe the idea of a heaven holds so much weight. But that may again be my admiration shining through my argument.

My argument is: If good actions do not necessarily always breed benefits – as opposed to sometimes doing bad actions too – as pointed above, then what's the point of emphasizing them over the opposite as an atheist?
I gotta get my reading done on secular humanism though, no doubt.

 

[Hawaiian Punch]

 

[NoMayo15]

Addressed from the bottom to the top.


It's admirable because billions of people believing in a Christian God >>>> teaching a single bear to ride a bike. Not many out there could create a system of belief that's as ever lasting. So please, let's give the inventors of the bible their due praise. Many brilliant men have come and gone since christianity hit the floor, the bible converted many of those brilliant men to Christianity themselves and many others who didn't adhere to the Christian standards did not dare go against it due to how impeccably imbedded the programing was in the minds of its followers. Only recently in the 21st century has the atheism managed to finally gain some ground, and Jesus is gonna be turning 2015 tomorrow a man who we virtually know nothing about outside of religious texts.


That makes Christianity at least extraordinary, wouldn't you say so?

No, it's not extraordinary. One, we've trained billions of animals to perform all types of tricks for us. Your opinion that one has more value over the other is irrelevant, esp. considering the history of the Christian church in particular. Billions of people believing this stuff is largely due to the fact that a few rich, powerful emperors and kings decided that everyone should believe this religion, and it wasn't until modern times that you could be murdered for speaking out, or not sharing these beliefs. You really need to read up on the history of Christianity -- most people don't know why they believe what they do. Again, atheism has always existed, but it was extremely dangerous to claim atheism. Not to mention, there are older faiths practiced today than Christianity, does that give them more weight, or more likely to be true in your eyes? It shouldn't. Neither the age, nor the number of believers can confirm whether or not the belief is a true one.

You say that for any action there are benefits and consequences, but I'm not sure that's how life usually goes tbh. No good deeds go unpunished and very good people are dying as I'm typing. Children are being preyed upon at this very moment and I'm certainly not the one about to make a case that their suffering is a reaction for their own actions. I personally believe that sometimes there's no consequences for bad deeds, and that there's consequences for good deeds. This world/universe is just chaotic that way. Chaotic enough for these sayings to hold ground in reality:


"When one man dies it is a tragedy, when thousands die it's statistics." - Truman (allegedly)

"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, but give a man a bank and he can rob the world." - Unknown

Well, there may be consequences that are unseen. There might not be any justice or legal consequence for the individuals in your example, but the person who is doing the harm to the child is negatively impacting that child. That IS the consequence. They put out more "bad" in the world, and help establish a certain zeitgeist, which might ultimately be detrimental to both the individual and society.

A bunch of shyt happens for no graspable reason, which is why I believe the idea of a heaven holds so much weight. But that may again be my admiration shining through my argument

I don't know what you mean here. The universe is chaotic so... heaven exists? I'm missing the connection here.


.... or are you saying that since bad happens and people might not be punished while alive, you hope there's a heaven/hell and cosmic justice?


Help me clear what you're saying before I comment.

My argument is: If good actions do not necessarily always breed benefits – as opposed to sometimes doing bad actions too – as pointed above, then what's the point of emphasizing them over the opposite as an atheist?


I gotta get my reading done on secular humanism though, no doubt.

Easy. Because good actions generally do breed positive benefit... even if that benefit is simply feeling good about doing good. Sure, people don't always suffer direct negative consequences for bad acts, but it's more likely that they would. But if I do something good for you, it's more likely that you will reciprocate ... it's the same if I harmed you.

 

[blackzeus]

people who claim atheism as a religion instead of just lacking a religion act like they're christianity's scorned ex

#dualities, atheists not realizing believing in nothing is actually believing in something I respect the agnostic more than the atheist, the atheist can't prove there's no God anymore than a Christian can really prove there is a God. Just say you believe/don't believe, end of discussion.

 

[NoMayo15]

#dualities, atheists not realizing believing in nothing is actually believing in something I respect the agnostic more than the atheist, the atheist can't prove there's no God anymore than a Christian can really prove there is a God. Just say you believe/don't believe, end of discussion.

That's the thing though. Someone saying they're agnostic, generally speaking, is saying the exact same thing as the person saying they're atheist. The only reason to use the agnostic label is avoid the stigma associated with being an atheist. Belief is an active thing, and anything short of believing in a god equals atheism.

Like you said, either you believe or you don't. Either you're a theist, or you're not.

And how is nothing something?

 

[scarlxrd]

I don't see anyone blaming Budda when they stub their toe.

The Buddha isn't a god. Anyone can be a Buddha. It's a title; the ultimate destination in Buddhism, he is not NOR ever claimed to be a deity.

#dualities, atheists not realizing believing in nothing is actually believing in something

Terrible strawman. Atheists believe in a lot of things, just not the existence of a God.

 

[the cac mamba]

that thsnor dude is