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Like having no hobbies is a hobby and bald is a hair color.

No, a hobby is an action. Action /= inaction. Bald is an absence of hair. No hair /= hair color. I thought you atheist were supposed to be pretty good logists :mjlol:, f*ck is wrong with your analogies nikka? :heh: Maybe you need God to help you with all that confusion :krs: Believing that there is no God is a belief. Believing that there is a God is a belief. Atheists however assume a position of arrogance because they say to the theist "prove to me your God exists", when an atheist can't prove God doesn't exist :heh: #dualities of smart dumb nikkaz :banderas:

Do you even read what you post? It says, "In a broad sense," which is what noon is saying, "[atheism is] the rejection of belief in the existence of deities". However "In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities". You know, the words that go before and after the thing you're trying to prove matters too!

So yes, some atheists posit that there is no god, but that's not absolute. Atheism is a rejection of theist claims.

"Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist."

If I ran an atheism group, and a muthafukka like you tried to join my group talkin' 'bout he kinda believes God don't exist, I'd :camby: that lack of faith in atheism havin' fukker. Your azz must hurt from sittin' on the fence breh :mjlol: In both the broad and the narrower since, and also in its Latin root, atheism is contrary to theism, of which the latter is believing there is a God, which automatically makes atheism believing there is no God. Stop halfway steppin'. Y'all just so confused (I would be too, it's probably hard to concentrate with a fence post up your azz :heh:) that you don't realize that in automatically being contrary to theism, you have in fact created an unprovable religion of your own, with your own sets of tenets and beliefs :krs: :krs: :krs:
 
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No, a hobby is an action. Action /= inaction. Bald is an absence of hair. No hair /= hair color. I thought you atheist were supposed to be pretty good logists :mjlol:, f*ck is wrong with your analogies nikka? :heh: Maybe you need God to help you with all that confusion :krs: Believing that there is no God is a belief. Believing that there is a God is a belief. Atheists however assume a position of arrogance because they say to the theist "prove to me your God exists", when an atheist can't prove God doesn't exist :heh: #dualities of smart dumb nikkaz :banderas:



If I ran an atheism group, and a muthafukka like you tried to join my group talkin' 'bout he kinda believes God don't exist, I'd :camby: that lack of faith in atheism havin' fukker. Your azz must hurt from sittin' on the fence breh :mjlol: In both the broad and the narrower since, and also in its Latin root, atheism is contrary to theism, of which the latter is believing there is a God, which automatically makes atheism believing there is no God. Stop halfway steppin'. Y'all just so confused (I would be too, it's probably hard to concentrate with a fence post up your azz :heh:) that you don't realize that in automatically being contrary to theism, you have in fact created an unprovable religion of your own, with your own sets of tenets and beliefs :krs: :krs: :krs:

Who said anything about kinda believing God doesn't exist? You are so damn confused at what atheism actually is. You don't even understand the definition you yourself posted.

The opposite of "believing in God" is not "believing there's no god". Okay how about this analogy: What you're doing is like saying... a juror on a court case votes not guilty, and you go "oh, so you think he's innocent then". As a juror, saying you believe the defendant is not guilty doesn't mean the same as saying you believe they're innocent. The opposite of guilty isn't innocent. The opposite of guilty is not guilty. So what you should have said was "believing there is a god" and "not believing there's a god". That's a very important difference. Just because I'm not convinced so & so is guilty, doesn't mean I'm convinced he/she is absolutely innocent. Just because I'm not convinced God exists, doesn't mean I'm convinced no gods exist. That IS atheism, by the very definition you posted.
 
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Who said anything about kinda believing God doesn't exist? You are so damn confused at what atheism actually is. You don't even understand the definition you yourself posted.

The opposite of "believing in God" is not "believing there's no god". Okay how about this analogy: What you're doing is like saying... a juror on a court case votes not guilty, and you go "oh, so you think he's innocent then". As a juror, saying you believe the defendant is not guilty doesn't mean the same as saying you believe they're innocent. The opposite guilty isn't innocent. The opposite of guilty is not guilty. So what you should have said was "believing there is a god" and "not believing there's a god". That's a very important difference. Just because I'm not convinced so & so is guilty, doesn't mean I'm convinced he/she is absolutely innocent. Just because I'm not convinced God exists, doesn't mean I'm convinced no gods exist. That IS atheism, by the very definition you posted.

You are doing a hell of a balancing act on that fence breh :pachaha: You're not atheist, but you are, you're not agnostic, but you are. Let me try to find a word that accurately describes your present state....

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/confused

confuse

[kuh n-fyooz]
verb (used with object), confused, confusing.
1.
to perplex or bewilder:
E.g. I don't believe in God, but that doesn't necessarily I don't believe in other gods, but I am an atheist, which means I don't believe in deities :dahell:
2.
to make unclear or indistinct:
E.g. Atheism, which literally means "without/no theism", doesn't necessarily mean I am without theism :why:
3.
to fail to distinguish between; associate by mistake; confound:
E.g. You can have absence of belief in certain deities, but not necessarily not believe there are deities, but still be an atheist, which means absence of belief in deities :what:
4.
to disconcert or abash:
E.g. I'm not trying to confuse you breh, I don't believe in God, but that doesn't necessarily mean I don't believe in a God, and yes, I'm an atheist :wtf:
5.
to combine without order; jumble; disorder:
E.g. Please don't confuse atheists with people who don't believe God exists :dwillhuh:
6.
Archaic. to bring to ruin or naught.
We gon' bash your beliefs all day, and want you to shut the f*ck up about 'em, but yes, we gon' expound our right to believe what we don't believe :mindblown:

Take your pick breh, they all apply to you. To be or not to be eh? :pachaha:
 

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You are doing a hell of a balancing act on that fence breh :pachaha: You're not atheist, but you are, you're not agnostic, but you are. Let me try to find a word that accurately describes your present state....

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/confused



Take your pick breh, they all apply to you. To be or not to be eh? :pachaha:

The only person confused is you..clearly. I'm both atheist and agnostic, btw. Those terms aren't mutually exclusive.

I'll repost this since you seem to have missed it.

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The only person confused is you..clearly. I'm both atheist and agnostic, btw. Those terms aren't mutually exclusive.

I'll repost this since you seem to have missed it.

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1) No ad hominem, but you need to go spend a weekend with your dad fishing and learn what it means to take a stand :heh: You're spineless, you're position is essentially no position.

2) We talkin' 'bout beliefs. I can be a Christian but not be willing to claim that my God is the only God, the only way to salvation. but if I believe in Christ, repent for my sins, and do my best to live righteously, by definition I am a Christian. You said you can believe that God doesn't exist, but not necessarily believe that other "gods" don't exist, but yet be an atheist. If you're an atheist even by your own chart it clearly means you don't believe any god exists. Whether you claim your belief is a fact is a total different subject, which goes back to my point, and which was an original point of this thread, atheists don't simply say I don't believe and keep it moving, atheists make it a point to tell people that THEIR beliefs are wrong, that there is no God, while ironically NOT REALIZING THAT NOT BELIEVING IN GOD IS IN FACT A FAITH OF ITS OWN!!!!!

You keep missing the point. The irony of being an atheist is that you in fact do have a God, the "no-God". All religions are sets of beliefs, nothing less, nothing more, by nature as a self-conscious being you have a set of beliefs. It's IMPOSSIBLE for you as a human to NOT BELIEVE IN ANYTHING, it's not in your nature. If you TRULY didn't believe in anything, you would eat sh*t f*ck sleep in no particular order. You're obviously an educated person, you probably got to where you are BELIEVING that education was worth the effort. All humans have the "God" gene in them, it's what makes them human. Whether is Christ, Allah, Buddah etc is up for debate, but you as a human will always believe in something, even if its simply to believe not to believe in anything :manny: And that's why atheists sh*ttin' on religions is hilarious to me, BECAUSE ATHEISM IS IN FACT A RELIGION OF ITS OWN!! Hopefully I am clearer now, and take a stand breh. If you don't believe in God, then let that be that, but all this I believe that I don't believe but I still kinda believe makin' you look a little weak breh :scusthov:
 

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1) No ad hominem, but you need to go spend a weekend with your dad fishing and learn what it means to take a stand :heh: You're spineless, you're position is essentially no position.

Take a stand? What's with you and this "stop sitting on the fence" thing? You'd rather someone claim something's true, despite realizing good and well they have no idea if it's true or not? What kind of moron is that? Is that what you do? If so, and I hope you do take offense, then you're an idiot.

My position is... the truth. It's the only intellectually honest position I can take, and I think anyone who takes any different stance is deluded. .... Or just mistaken.

2) We talkin' 'bout beliefs. I can be a Christian but not be willing to claim that my God is the only God, the only way to salvation. but if I believe in Christ, repent for my sins, and do my best to live righteously, by definition I am a Christian.

Well, some Christians would disagree with you, say you are a spineless "christian" (:drakelaugh: :mjlaugh: smileysmakemypointstronger.jpeg) and you need to take a stance. The bible is very clear that Christ is in fact the only way to salvation. But, I digress...

You said you can believe that God doesn't exist, but not necessarily believe that other "gods" don't exist, but yet be an atheist. If you're an atheist even by your own chart it clearly means you don't believe any god exists. Whether you claim your belief is a fact is a total different subject, which goes back to my point, and which was an original point of this thread, atheists don't simply say I don't believe and keep it moving, atheists make it a point to tell people that THEIR beliefs are wrong, that there is no God, while ironically NOT REALIZING THAT NOT BELIEVING IN GOD IS IN FACT A FAITH OF ITS OWN!!!!!

Who is going around telling people there is no God? I certainly don't. And that's not the norm. But people like you would rather take the extreme example to represent the majority. And then turn around call people like me spineless for not shoving it in your face. You can't have it both ways.

Also, not believing in god takes as much faith as not believing santa. Hope you had a Merry Christmas :smile:

You keep missing the point. The irony of being an atheist is that you in fact do have a God, the "no-God". All religions are sets of beliefs, nothing less, nothing more, by nature as a self-conscious being you have a set of beliefs. It's IMPOSSIBLE for you as a human to NOT BELIEVE IN ANYTHING, it's not in your nature. If you TRULY didn't believe in anything, you would eat sh*t f*ck sleep in no particular order. You're obviously an educated person, you probably got to where you are BELIEVING that education was worth the effort. All humans have the "God" gene in them, it's what makes them human. Whether is Christ, Allah, Buddah etc is up for debate, but you as a human will always believe in something, even if its simply to believe not to believe in anything

Again, who said atheists do not believe in anything? You have all these misconceptions of what atheism is, and you look like a fool talking about it. So yes, I do believe education is important, but that has AB-SO-LUTE-LY NOTHING to do with my atheism. I just don't accept ONE single claim as TRUTH. That alone makes me an atheist.

What is this God gene you're talking about?

Yes, I believe in a lot of things... a "god" gene isn't one of them, and neither is believing to not believe in anything to believe... I don't even know what you're fukkin saying at this point.



And that's why atheists sh*ttin' on religions is hilarious to me, BECAUSE ATHEISM IS IN FACT A RELIGION OF ITS OWN!! Hopefully I am clearer now, and take a stand breh. If you don't believe in God, then let that be that, but all this I believe that I don't believe but I still kinda believe makin' you look a little weak breh :scusthov:

Nah man, caps lock doesn't make your point anymore clearer, nor true. You yourself said religions are a set of beliefs, and atheism is a rejection of theist beliefs. How is not accepting X belief as true a belief itself?

And stop putting words in my mouth. No one said anything about kinda believing something or not. I've been very consistent on my stance. The fact that you can't follow it is out of my hands.
 

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Take a stand? What's with you and this "stop sitting on the fence" thing? You'd rather someone claim something's true, despite realizing good and well they have no idea if it's true or not? What kind of moron is that? Is that what you do? If so, and I hope you do take offense, then you're an idiot.

So then you're not really an atheist then. Not really a nihilist, not really an agnostic. None of which was my point, but to reply to this it's obvious you have no stance on anything, which makes it confusing to me as to why you're responding to my posts, it doesn't apply to you, it applies to true atheists :mjpls:

My position is... the truth. It's the only intellectually honest position I can take, and I think anyone who takes any different stance is deluded. .... Or just mistaken.

Ok breh, fair enough, so according to you, what is the truth? I want to hear what @NoMayo15 has to say about God and his beliefs :obama:


Well, some Christians would disagree with you, say you are a spineless "christian" (:drakelaugh: :mjlaugh: smileysmakemypointstronger.jpeg) and you need to take a stance. The bible is very clear that Christ is in fact the only way to salvation. But, I digress...

No, to the contrary, what I believe is what I believe, whether I feel you should apply my beliefs to your life is a completely different topic. Christian = Christ-like, or in other words imitator of Christ, or in the general sense a believer/follower of Christ. So if I believe and follow his principles, I am a Christian. If I don't believe/follow Christ, I am not a Christian. In this, the distinction is VERY clear. In your case, it is not, you are saying you can be an atheist but not necessarily believe that no other gods exist, that would be like me saying I am a Christan, but I don't necessarily believe in Christ. It blows my mind you don't see the inherent contradictions in your posts :mindblown: Now as a Christian, taking a stance for MY beliefs /= enforcing what YOU should believe. And that goes for any belief, not just Christianity. Me not wanting to claim to YOU that you are going to hell for not believing in MY God is not the same as me saying I believe in my God and don't believe in my God at the same time. Too many red herrings and false claim to authority in your posts breh.


Who is going around telling people there is no God? I certainly don't. And that's not the norm. But people like you would rather take the extreme example to represent the majority. And then turn around call people like me spineless for not shoving it in your face. You can't have it both ways.

Also, not believing in god takes as much faith as not believing santa. Hope you had a Merry Christmas :smile:

Fair enough, although all celebrated atheists are known for being the "extreme example". I'm calling you spineless for believing that there is no God while at the same time not believing that there may be gods :what:



Again, who said atheists do not believe in anything? You have all these misconceptions of what atheism is, and you look like a fool talking about it. So yes, I do believe education is important, but that has AB-SO-LUTE-LY NOTHING to do with my atheism. I just don't accept ONE single claim as TRUTH. That alone makes me an atheist.

What is this God gene you're talking about?

Yes, I believe in a lot of things... a "god" gene isn't one of them, and neither is believing to not believe in anything to believe... I don't even know what you're fukkin saying at this point.

The bolded technically would make you agnostic, not atheist.
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When I say "God gene", I mean being a conscience being. Recognizing right from wrong, having a set a beliefs, a set of rules that don't really have much to do with your basic survival needs. All human beings are religious whether they realize it or not, religious being having a set of existential beliefs (e.g. don't steal or in contrast, might makes right)




Nah man, caps lock doesn't make your point anymore clearer, nor true. You yourself said religions are a set of beliefs, and atheism is a rejection of theist beliefs. How is not accepting X belief as true a belief itself?

And stop putting words in my mouth. No one said anything about kinda believing something or not. I've been very consistent on my stance. The fact that you can't follow it is out of my hands.

Fair enough, please elaborate on what exactly your stance is, because up until this point my impression is that you don't believe in God but you don't necessarily believe there is no God, which is not really a stance :snoop: As for the rest of the last quote, again, you missed the point. Atheism is not a rejection of theism. Atheism is the OPPOSITE of Theism. It's one thing to say, I don't believe in Jesus Christ, your Messiah. It's another to formulate a set of beliefs based on the axiom that there is no God, which is what atheism is. It's very simple to draw conclusions from the axiom

Atheism Church of @NoMayo15:

Axiom: There is no God
1) Our only obligations as humans is to work in our best benefit
a) Your only obligation is to yourself, to benefit yourself physically, spiritually, and mentally

2) Since there is no God, there is no heaven/hell
a) Robbing, stealing, and killing is all good, as long as it benefits you, because there is no judgment


Atheism Church of @blackzeus

Axiom: There is no God
1) We are our own gods, we have the ability to discern right and wrong
a) We should follow our own judgment, and only do what we feel is right within our ability to discern

2) We are our own judges
a) Whatever we do, our conscience judges us, so let's avoid actions that will lead to our conscience telling us we are guilty/in the wrong.

I know you're a smart guy, so please carefully explain to my dumbazz how i am wrong in asserting than in fact not believing in God is in fact a religion in itself :mjpls:
 

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So then you're not really an atheist then. Not really a nihilist, not really an agnostic. None of which was my point, but to reply to this it's obvious you have no stance on anything, which makes it confusing to me as to why you're responding to my posts, it doesn't apply to you, it applies to true atheists

No true scotsman. I fit the definition you posted an hour ago. GTFO

Ok breh, fair enough, so according to you, what is the truth? I want to hear what @NoMayo15 has to say about God and his beliefs

Okay fine. I thought I made it clear by saying I was an agnostic atheist but okay. I don't think the question of whether a god exists is known by mankind ... and most likely unknowable, at this time. And what I mean by to know something is some kind of observed phenomena or other manifestation in reality that can be confirmed by others. Something that would be world altering if you found out it wasn't true. Knowledge is a subset of belief, and when it comes to god claims, I don't believe they have met their burden of proof ... in that there is little to no evidence to support the claims of any holy book or clergy person I'm aware of. I can almost understand a deist or pantheist view of god... nature being god, for example. But, I mean, that's poetic and beautiful, but that's just relabeling something we already have a name for.

tl;dr -- There's no good reason to think some supernatural entity, that watches over us and is all powerful & good, could or does exist.

No, to the contrary, what I believe is what I believe, whether I feel you should apply my beliefs to your life is a completely different topic. Christian = Christ-like, or in other words imitator of Christ, or in the general sense a believer/follower of Christ. So if I believe and follow his principles, I am a Christian. If I don't believe/follow Christ, I am not a Christian. In this, the distinction is VERY clear.

Listen, I don't know your life, nor am I saying you are living it wrong. I'm just pointing out that there are some that would say you aren't following his principles if you are the mindset that there are other ways to salvation. That might call you weak, spineless. So you should probably chill with the name-calling.

you are saying you can be an atheist but not necessarily believe that no other gods exist, that would be like me saying I am a Christan, but I don't necessarily believe in Christ.

I'm not sure what you're saying here, so let me be clear. An atheist doesn't have a belief in gods. That's my stance, not whatever you're trying to make it into

Now as a Christian, taking a stance for MY beliefs /= enforcing what YOU should believe.

I never accused you of doing this, I don't know why you keep bringing it up.

And that goes for any belief, not just Christianity. Me not wanting to claim to YOU that you are going to hell for not believing in MY God is not the same as me saying I believe in my God and don't believe in my God at the same time. Too many red herrings and false claim to authority in your posts breh.

Fair enough, although all celebrated atheists are known for being the "extreme example". I'm calling you spineless for believing that there is no God while at the same time not believing that there may be gods

:what: Again, never said this.

The bolded technically would make you agnostic, not atheist.

No, it would not. Did you not look at the infographic? Agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive. Agostic isn't this middle ground you think it is. Do you not understand the difference? You posted the definitions yourself!

When I say "God gene", I mean being a conscience being. Recognizing right from wrong, having a set a beliefs, a set of rules that don't really have much to do with your basic survival needs. All human beings are religious whether they realize it or not, religious being having a set of existential beliefs (e.g. don't steal or in contrast, might makes right)

Okay, I don't know why you call it God gene, since you don't need a god belief to have conscience or morals. These beliefs aren't determined by my atheism. There isn't an atheist set of beliefs. That's where you're confused.


Fair enough, please elaborate on what exactly your stance is, because up until this point my impression is that you don't believe in God but you don't necessarily believe there is no God, which is not really a stance As for the rest of the last quote, again, you missed the point. Atheism is not a rejection of theism. Atheism is the OPPOSITE of Theism. It's one thing to say, I don't believe in Jesus Christ, your Messiah. It's another to formulate a set of beliefs based on the axiom that there is no God, which is what atheism is.

No, formulating beliefs is not what atheism is. You posted the damn definition a few posts ago. It said NOTHING about formulating beliefs, did it?

I don't understand exactly what you think I think since you're wording it so strangely. "You don't believe in God but you don't necessarily believe there is no God"? No, I don't know if there is a god(s), but I don't believe any exist.
 
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No true scotsman. I fit the definition you posted an hour ago. GTFO

No you don't really, but I am not in a position to judge who YOU feel you are, I am simply stating my impression of you, which is one of no stance. That's MY stance, take it how you want it :manny:


Okay fine. I thought I made it clear by saying I was an agnostic atheist but okay. I don't think the question of whether a god exists is known by mankind ... and most likely unknowable, at this time. And what I mean by to know something is some kind of observed phenomena or other manifestation in reality that can be confirmed by others. Something that would be world altering if you found out it wasn't true. Knowledge is a subset of belief, and when it comes to god claims, I don't believe they have met their burden of proof ... in that there is little to no evidence to support the claims of any holy book or clergy person I'm aware of. I can almost understand a deist or pantheist view of god... nature being god, for example. But, I mean, that's poetic and beautiful, but that's just relabeling something we already have a name for.

tl;dr -- There's no good reason to think some supernatural entity, that watches over us and is all powerful & good, could or does exist.

Ok, agnostic atheist got it. Using your (with all due respect) "wish washy" rubric, I would be a an Gnostic Theist, why, because I believe there is a God, a Designer, and I know he exists because of his Designs. Now I can't be sure if God is a man/woman/buddha/Osiris/whatever, but I am sure of it because of all the entities that exist on this planet in relative harmony. That's my observed phenomena, using simple modular logic: A) It is obvious computer has a designer B) brain is more complicated than a designer C) it is obvious the brain also had a designer. With all that said I get your position now. You don't believe God exists, but you don't claim to know that to be true, you just haven't seen enough evidence to refute your beliefs. I don't know how you can see the laws of gravity in effect with the rising and subsiding of ocean tides relative to the position of the moon and that not be enough evidence of intelligent design, but hey, that's your right :manny:


Listen, I don't know your life, nor am I saying you are living it wrong. I'm just pointing out that there are some that would say you aren't following his principles if you are the mindset that there are other ways to salvation. That might call you weak, spineless. So you should probably chill with the name-calling.

No, If I believe in Christ, then I believe he is the only way to salvation FOR ME.

2 Thessalonians 3:11-18 ESV
For we hear that some among you walk in idleness, not busy at work, but busybodies. Now such persons we command and encourage in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work quietly and to earn their own living. As for you, brothers, do not grow weary in doing good. If anyone does not obey what we say in this letter, take note of that person, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. Do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.

^^^If you don't want to follow God's rules/regulations, that's on you. My Christian duty is to tell you what the Bible says out of concern for your soul, AS A BROTHER. I can tell you that this is what Jesus says, and at the same time state that this is what I believe, but I don't believe YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THIS TO BE SAVED, I believe I have to follow this to be saved. That's not the same thing as saying "I don't believe in God, but who knows, he may exist", it's a self contradicting sentence. I am saying "I believe in God, I believe he exists, but I am not in the position to tell you that you HAVE to do this to be saved. But this is what my God says, and if you want, you are welcome to join me on the path to righteousness". If you want, you can do it, and if you don't want, well that is your right as a human being of free will.


I'm not sure what you're saying here, so let me be clear. An atheist doesn't have a belief in gods. That's my stance, not whatever you're trying to make it into

I never accused you of doing this, I don't know why you keep bringing it up.

Hmm, technically there's a slight misconception in your statement. A true atheist DOESN'T BELIEVE GOD EXISTS. Not necessarily believing in Buddha, and emphatically stating that I don't believe there is a higher power/intelligent designer/God in existence are not one and the same. Atheism is a clearly defined belief, a belief that there is no God, you are merely stating some sort of viewpoint. It's amazing how theists are so clear in the points, yet you as an "atheist" of sorts has a muddy definition of your own idealogies.


The bolded technically would make you agnostic, not atheist.

No, it would not. Did you not look at the infographic? Agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive. Agostic isn't this middle ground you think it is. Do you not understand the difference? You posted the definitions yourself!

Agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive to someone with no stance. You believe but you don't believe. I get it. But in reality, agnostic = someone who believes he doesn't know anything to be true, and atheist = someone who believes God doesn't exist. They are not one and the same. I want to say you're confused, but I'm going to refrain from ad hominems. I'm going to say that while I respect you somewhat defining your stance with the rubric, in fact, you are saying you are two things at the same time. That would be like me being a Christian santeria.


Okay, I don't know why you call it God gene, since you don't need a god belief to have conscience or morals. These beliefs aren't determined by my atheism. There isn't an atheist set of beliefs. That's where you're confused.

No I'm not confused. I extrapolated to show how in fact atheism is really a religion like any other religion, it's just never been expounded upon/developed. I can say I believe in the sun and leave it at that, or I can do like the Mayans and build temples and have priests and sh*t. But it's still a faith like any other. No, you don't need to believe in God to have a conscience/set of morals. BUT THE FACT THAT YOU DO innately have these attributes attest to some entity placing something in you that isn't in any other creature. Thus "God gene". It's my own fabrication, but I feel it's a good way to describe the attributes that in my opinion are a testament to an intelligent designer :manny:

No, formulating beliefs is not what atheism is. You posted the damn definition a few posts ago. It said NOTHING about formulating beliefs, did it?

I don't understand exactly what you think I think since you're wording it so strangely. "You don't believe in God but you don't necessarily believe there is no God"? No, I don't know if there is a god(s), but I don't believe any exist.

I don't have to state "I am formulating a belief" in order to be doing so. If I say, because the sky is gray, it will rain, I have formulated a belief unconsciously. YOU my Coli breh are the one who are wording things strangely. If you don't believe any God exists, by default you think there are no Gods. Again, I can't define you, you are your own person, but to me you are an agnostic if that's the case, someone who just claims he doesn't know something to be true. These convoluted positions are contrived from intentions to confuse IMHO. Most of the famous atheists clearly went out of their way to discourse on how God doesn't exist, I'm not sure they would look at your "stance" in a positive light, since you clearly are stating that you are not sure if there is a God or not, which in essence means you're not an atheist, because an atheist is SURE God doesn't exist. That would be like me saying I believe in Christ but I don't know if he really existed, Christians would be looking at me like :wtf: Anyway breh, this is going nowhere, you're clearly an "agnostic atheist", meaning someone who doesn't believe God exists, but at the same time recognizes that there may be a chance God does exist, which is why you don't want to explicitly state you're an atheist. How you see that as taking a stance is beyond me, but do you playboy :obama:
 

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1) No ad hominem, but you need to go spend a weekend with your dad fishing and learn what it means to take a stand :heh: You're spineless, you're position is essentially no position.

2) We talkin' 'bout beliefs. I can be a Christian but not be willing to claim that my God is the only God, the only way to salvation. but if I believe in Christ, repent for my sins, and do my best to live righteously, by definition I am a Christian. You said you can believe that God doesn't exist, but not necessarily believe that other "gods" don't exist, but yet be an atheist. If you're an atheist even by your own chart it clearly means you don't believe any god exists. Whether you claim your belief is a fact is a total different subject, which goes back to my point, and which was an original point of this thread, atheists don't simply say I don't believe and keep it moving, atheists make it a point to tell people that THEIR beliefs are wrong, that there is no God, while ironically NOT REALIZING THAT NOT BELIEVING IN GOD IS IN FACT A FAITH OF ITS OWN!!!!!

You keep missing the point. The irony of being an atheist is that you in fact do have a God, the "no-God". All religions are sets of beliefs, nothing less, nothing more, by nature as a self-conscious being you have a set of beliefs. It's IMPOSSIBLE for you as a human to NOT BELIEVE IN ANYTHING, it's not in your nature. If you TRULY didn't believe in anything, you would eat sh*t f*ck sleep in no particular order. You're obviously an educated person, you probably got to where you are BELIEVING that education was worth the effort. All humans have the "God" gene in them, it's what makes them human. Whether is Christ, Allah, Buddah etc is up for debate, but you as a human will always believe in something, even if its simply to believe not to believe in anything :manny: And that's why atheists sh*ttin' on religions is hilarious to me, BECAUSE ATHEISM IS IN FACT A RELIGION OF ITS OWN!! Hopefully I am clearer now, and take a stand breh. If you don't believe in God, then let that be that, but all this I believe that I don't believe but I still kinda believe makin' you look a little weak breh :scusthov:
What's wrong with you? I think you need to calm down, pray to your imaginary friend, and take a very close look at the image once again. You seem to be struggling to comprehend it.

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What's wrong with you? I think you need to calm down, pray to your imaginary friend, and take a very close look at the image once again. You seem to be struggling to comprehend it.

Everything my Sith Lord, everything :troll: I'm not really a Christian, but I do believe in an Intelligent Designer. And I understand the image perfectly, and it's intent, it tells me I can be two things at once, and it's intent is to cause confusion. As a youngin' I learned not to respect half-steppers, no need to start now :manny:
 

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What are you struggling to comprehend about this image?

The negative is a contradiction. You can believe God exists, and not want to claim you are 100% sure it's true. But if you don't believe God exists, but doesn't want to claim it's true, you in essence do believe God exists, but you don't claim it to be true
 

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The negative is a contradiction. You can believe God exists, and not want to claim you are 100% sure it's true. But if you don't believe God exist, but doesn't want to claim it's true, you in essence do believe God exists, but you don't claim it to be true
:laff: LOL

I don't believe there is a teapot orbiting the Sun between Mars and Earth (Russel's teapot), yet I cannot 100% conclusively prove there is not. Does this in fact mean that I DO believe a teapot is orbiting the Sun, but don't claim it to be true? :troll:

That's your logic right there.
 
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