Atlantic Slave Trade: Fallacy of Blacks selling Blacks

[OfTheCross]

Atlantic Slave Trade: Fallacy of Blacks selling Blacks



Impressive video by this
gentleman

 

[get these nets]

Atlantic Slave Trade: Fallacy of Blacks selling Blacks



Impressive video by this
gentleman

This guy is doing good work, but his comment early in the video hints at the obstacles he's facing.

"I thought I wouldn't have to do this video again, because I assumed that people already knew so much about the Atlantic Slave Trade"

Ignorance, the promotion of ignorance, and intellectual shucking and jiving is at an all time high. Used to puzzle me because never in history have so many books been readily accessible to the world.

But access to information from scholars and historians doesn't mean much to a growing segment of people.

He's fighting a losing battle, but hats off to him for trying.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Fallacy?

 

[OfTheCross]

Fallacy?

Yes...

 

[Brer Dog]

Fallacy?

He's basically talking about people imposing modern racial constructs onto African ethnicities of that era who wouldn't have seen themselves as being black or of the same group. And people acting like the slavery practiced by west and central Africans was the same as it was in the Americas.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

He's basically talking about people imposing modern racial constructs onto African ethnicities of that era who wouldn't have seen themselves as being black or of the same group. And people acting like the slavery practiced by west and central Africans was the same as it was in the Americas.

I know what he means; I'm just not buying it as a good copout



the muslim slave talked about in the OP video, cried over being enslaved in the USA; got his freedom and then made his way back to africa only to enslave other africans again

In 1734, Job finally gained his freedom, and returned to Senegambia as a free man. His own experience in captivity did not, however, turn him against the slave trade. He worked on behalf of the Royal African Company to improve British trade positions against the French. His work was ultimately unsuccessful. In 1737, he was imprisoned by the French, but later released. Little knowledge of the last decades of Job’s life exists, but it appears he died around 1773.

Enslaved: Peoples of the Historical Slave Trade

 

[havoc]

I know what he means; I'm just not buying it as a good copout



the muslim slave talked about in the OP video, cried over being enslaved in the USA; got his freedom and then made his way back to africa only to enslave other africans again




Enslaved: Peoples of the Historical Slave Trade

It isn't a copout. You solidified the HomeTeam history with the Muslim story.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

It isn't a copout. You solidified the HomeTeam history with the Muslim story.

No, actually the story of the Muslim guy shows just how using the excuse of a tribal affiliation doesn't absolve them from trading people that looked like them from other tribes. The Muslim african guy was a slave in the new world and got to experience first what it meant to be just "another niqqa" and he still didn't learn his lesson lol. On the other hand, not too long after that, numerous other african slaves of the late 18 century realized that even though they were from different regions and tribes, they were actually of the same race and formed the Sons Of Africa

 

[OfTheCross]

No, actually the story of the Muslim guy shows just how using the excuse of a tribal affiliation doesn't absolve them from trading people that looked like them from other tribes. The Muslim african guy was a slave in the new world and got to experience first what it meant to be just "another niqqa" and he still didn't learn his lesson lol. On the other hand, not too long after that, numerous other african slaves of the late 18 century realized that even though they were from different regions and tribes, they were actually of the same race and formed the Sons Of Africa

167 years after it began and just 22 years before US Slave Trade ended, Native Africans finally started to have the idea of uniting as "Africans"

Information/knowledge didn't travel that fast, maybe...

 

[IllmaticDelta]

167 years after it began

white people/europeans were on west/west central side of Africa in the early 1400s and the slave trade started in the mid-1400s

and just 22 years before US Slave Trade ended,

The USA illegal slave trade went on into 1860s while Cuba and Brazil went on even longer

Native Africans finally started to have the idea of uniting as "Africans"

Information/knowledge didn't travel that fast, maybe...

Sons of Africa arose with african slavery taking almost another 100 years to end in the New World

 

[OfTheCross]

white people/europeans were on west/west central side of Africa in the early 1400s and the slave trade started in the mid-1400s




The USA illegal slave trade went on into 1860s while Cuba and Brazil went on even longer

Sons of Africa arose with african slavery taking almost another 100 years to end in the New World

The OP is about the US Slave Trade...but even with your date of the 1400s, my point remains.

it was ~350 years of European enslavement of Africans before Africans started uniting as "Africans".

The concept of "African" or more specifically, "Black" as noted in the OP, didn't exist before

 

[IllmaticDelta]

The OP is about the US Slave Trade...but even with your date of the 1400s, my point remains.

it was ~350 years of European enslavement of Africans before Africans started uniting as "Africans".

The concept of "African" or more specifically, "Black" as noted in the OP, didn't exist before

"Black" and especially, "Ethiopionism" was firmly established and exported to Africa when Africans were still rounding up other Africans and selling them to white people in the 1800s:

Meaher had learned that West African tribes were at war and that the King of Dahomey (now Benin) was willing to sell enemy prisoners as slaves. Dahomey's forces had been raiding communities in the interior, bringing captives to the large slave market at the port of Whydah.[12][13] Meaher was said to have wagered another wealthy gentleman from New Orleans,[citation needed] that he could successfully smuggle slaves into the US despite the 1807 Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves.

Departing on March 4, 1860, Foster sailed from Mobile with a crew of 12, including himself,[11] carrying $9,000 in gold to purchase slaves.[11] He arrived in Whydah on May 15, 1860,[11] where he had the ship outfitted to carry slaves, using materials he had transported.[12] He offered to buy 125 Africans in Whydah for $100 each.[11] said to be mostly of the "Tarkbar" tribe, taken in a raid near Tamale in present-day Ghana.[13] Research in the 21st century suggests that they were actually Takpa people, a band of Yoruba people from the interior of present-day Nigeria.[14]

He described meeting an African prince and being taken to the king's court, where he observed some religious practices. Foster wrote in his journal in 1860, "Having agreeably transacted affairs with the Prince we went to the warehouse where they had in confinement four thousand captives in a state of nudity from which they gave me liberty to select one hundred and twenty-five as mine offering to brand them for me, from which I preemptorily [sic] forbid; commenced taking on cargo of negroes [sic], successfully securing on board one hundred and ten."[11]

 

[OfTheCross]

We're labeling them as "West African tribes".

What did they call themselves?

What did they call their neighbors?

There was no "Black" or "African" identity. They were different ethnicities even tho they were from the same continent

 

[IllmaticDelta]

We're labeling them as "West African tribes".

What did they call themselves?

What did they call their neighbors?

There was no "Black" or "African" identity. They were different ethnicities even tho they were from the same continent

In the 1400s this may have been (we have clear documented cases of what the more upper west african berberid types and sahelian types called the more sudanic africans from a racial POV) true but in the late 1700s and into the 1800s, there were already Ethiopianist ways of seeing racial relatedness

 

[qwer]

I know what he means; I'm just not buying it as a good copout



the muslim slave talked about in the OP video, cried over being enslaved in the USA; got his freedom and then made his way back to africa only to enslave other africans again




Enslaved: Peoples of the Historical Slave Trade

This just proved what he said it’s a fallacy because there are no specific tribes that Africa americnas were sold from. A slave trade could be himself sold into slavery and Vice versa