avon barksdale from the wire appreciation thread

[trollol]

i rememeber watch this scene years ago, laughin'







all hail the king part 2

my god that respect avon got in the bing

avon was a 3-dimensional likable villain.... almost anti-hero. marlo was just a sociopath and psychopath

as bodie said "fukk MARLO"


that season 1 barksdale crew was the goat crew. Avon at the top, stringer #2 where he damn belonged (look how bad he fukked things up). weebay, stinkum, bird, savino being the muscle. deangelo, bodie, poot running the drugs.

look at the list of stringer's fukk ups through out the show:
season 1: he greenlighted the hit on orlando knowing damn well he snitched. "thats cop money - burn it" - avon. caused kima to get shot which casued the shyt storm of closing the case. results: wallace killed, avon, d, weebay locked up. their connect loses faith in them
season 2: not patching things up with their nyc connect. going behind avons back and dealing with prop joe. pitting omar and mouzone against each other unsuccessfully
season 3: the whole "product" meeting and his plan ater losing the towers. crew loses faith in him. doesnt rebuild the muscle or the crew "what you been building for us huh? i bleed red, you bleed green" . gets scammed by clay davis. snitches on avon instead of try to help win the war

perfect example of a #2 who shouldve stayed #2. once avon's leadership was gone, the barksdale crew was fukked. imagine stringer commanding the same type of loyalty weebay showed him in that shootout... meanwhile nikkas like poot was calling him out and having nikkas smh at the meeting

 

[trollol]

These two fakkits are the biggest reason for Avon's downfall more than anything else. They should of been bodied Little Man style once Avon saw them getting high at the coming home party

these nikkas were funny as fuk though

like a 40 degree day!

 

[I love Latina women]

my god that respect avon got in the bing

avon was a 3-dimensional likable villain.... almost anti-hero. marlo was just a sociopath and psychopath

as bodie said "fukk MARLO"


that season 1 barksdale crew was the goat crew. Avon at the top, stringer #2 where he damn belonged (look how bad he fukked things up). weebay, stinkum, bird, savino being the muscle. deangelo, bodie, poot running the drugs.

look at the list of stringer's fukk ups through out the show:
season 1: he greenlighted the hit on orlando knowing damn well he snitched. "thats cop money - burn it" - avon. caused kima to get shot which casued the shyt storm of closing the case. results: wallace killed, avon, d, weebay locked up. their connect loses faith in them
season 2: not patching things up with their nyc connect. going behind avons back and dealing with prop joe. pitting omar and mouzone against each other unsuccessfully
season 3: the whole "product" meeting and his plan ater losing the towers. crew loses faith in him. doesnt rebuild the muscle or the crew "what you been building for us huh? i bleed red, you bleed green" . gets scammed by clay davis. snitches on avon instead of try to help win the war

perfect example of a #2 who shouldve stayed #2. once avon's leadership was gone, the barksdale crew was fukked. imagine stringer commanding the same type of loyalty weebay showed him in that shootout... meanwhile nikkas like poot was calling him out and having nikkas smh at the meeting

yeah, avon was a throwback to when bosses and gangster played by the rules and had respect for certain things
malo was a new generation; disrepectful and no fukks given. relentless
avon and marlo were like night and day
i know, bruh. shyt was runnin' so smooth in the beginnin'

great post

 

[trollol]

almost forgot season 4- when cutty finally had the gym open... had avon's golden gloves poster on top of the wall... that respect

meanwhile marlo's crew shot cutty when he was trying to save mike

 

[Dat Bruh Bill]

Real talk, if they was both in the pen together...Chris would of got more respect than Marlo

Edit: Thread got me rewatching season 3 for the hundredth time...Watching Slim Charles replace String as #2 in the organization was amazing to see

 

[NinoBrown]

Avon may be out now in The Wire universe, he just had to go back to finish his original bid and more than likely his soldiers took that rap for those weapons charges in the safehouse.

 

[cornercommission2k12]

Yeah it makes sense. Avon came out a savage. The end of their relationship happen when avon told him to shut up in the car when he was talking to slimm charles about being the muscle. Stringer went about everything wrong & he did come off as a sad character towards the end because everything around him failed. But a lot of it was his own fault.

Naw they relationship was falling apart way before then.

I think the 1st sign that stringer was just the front man but avon was the true brains behind the shyt was when stringer dumb ass told wee bay and stinkum to rob the undercover. Avon knew from jump that was a dumb ass move. Stringer like avon told him in season 3, had some skills but his inability to fully understand the streets continued to come back and bite him. That 1st mistake was just followed by a laundry list of mistakes stringer would make that avon would never make.

 

[cornercommission2k12]

my god that respect avon got in the bing

avon was a 3-dimensional likable villain.... almost anti-hero. marlo was just a sociopath and psychopath

as bodie said "fukk MARLO"


that season 1 barksdale crew was the goat crew. Avon at the top, stringer #2 where he damn belonged (look how bad he fukked things up). weebay, stinkum, bird, savino being the muscle. deangelo, bodie, poot running the drugs.

look at the list of stringer's fukk ups through out the show:
season 1: he greenlighted the hit on orlando knowing damn well he snitched. "thats cop money - burn it" - avon. caused kima to get shot which casued the shyt storm of closing the case. results: wallace killed, avon, d, weebay locked up. their connect loses faith in them
season 2: not patching things up with their nyc connect. going behind avons back and dealing with prop joe. pitting omar and mouzone against each other unsuccessfully
season 3: the whole "product" meeting and his plan ater losing the towers. crew loses faith in him. doesnt rebuild the muscle or the crew "what you been building for us huh? i bleed red, you bleed green" . gets scammed by clay davis. snitches on avon instead of try to help win the war

perfect example of a #2 who shouldve stayed #2. once avon's leadership was gone, the barksdale crew was fukked. imagine stringer commanding the same type of loyalty weebay showed him in that shootout... meanwhile nikkas like poot was calling him out and having nikkas smh at the meeting

Lol I was just literally thinking the same shot

And it all imploded. Just think if this dumb fukk stringer would have just stuck with what avon wanted to do. They could have had bro mouzone as they primary muscle and so when marlo don't want to give up them corners, mouzone would have gotten marlo and Chris the hell outta there.

The dude stringer prided himself on being smarter than everybody else in the room, so much so he always let the small details get by him. He really thought he was the king once avon went to prison. But as d Angelo explained at the chess board in season 1, the king stay the king.

 

[Malachi Coleman]

Naw they relationship was falling apart way before then.

I think the 1st sign that stringer was just the front man but avon was the true brains behind the shyt was when stringer dumb ass told wee bay and stinkum to rob the undercover. Avon knew from jump that was a dumb ass move. Stringer like avon told him in season 3, had some skills but his inability to fully understand the streets continued to come back and bite him. That 1st mistake was just followed by a laundry list of mistakes stringer would make that avon would never make.

No you're wrong, the show clearly showed that Avon and Stringer needed each other. They both had valid points. Anyway, wtf you talking about Stringer sending Wee-Bey, Savino, and Little Man (not Stinkum, he's dead at this point) to rob an undercover? First of all, I'm sure BOTH of them were in on sending them, like most things, they're partners. They sent them to kill Orlando who they figured out was snitching from well, common sense. They knew nothing about there being an undercover cop with him in the car, how were they supposed to? You act as if Stringer is supposed to be omnipotent, Avon was as much at fault for that as Stringer. You clearly just have a bias against Stringer and don't know wtf you're talking about so.

 

[blackdahlia]

No you're wrong, the show clearly showed that Avon and Stringer needed each other. They both had valid points. Anyway, wtf you talking about Stringer sending Wee-Bey, Savino, and Little Man (not Stinkum, he's dead at this point) to rob an undercover? First of all, I'm sure BOTH of them were in on sending them, like most things, they're partners. They sent them to kill Orlando who they figured out was snitching from well, common sense. They knew nothing about there being an undercover cop with him in the car, how were they supposed to? You act as if Stringer is supposed to be omnipotent, Avon was as much at fault for that as Stringer. You clearly just have a bias against Stringer and don't know wtf you're talking about so.

I agree. Avon definitely said something like 'we could have got him another day' I don't know if he was in on the specifics of the plan, but he clearly green lit part of it. I think getting the money was Stringer's addition later.

 

[Strapped]

@avon barksdale

he was the best representation of a modern day gangster

i can't c/s this marlo made avon look stupid

 

[I love Latina women]

i can't c/s this marlo made avon look stupid

marlo ain't make avon look stupid. marlo won't a man of respect. he didn't play by the rules. he just a wild ass renegade.

it was just unfortunate that there was internal beef inside of the avon organization and shyt fell apart

marlo was successful because he didn't play by the rules and i guess for some people that's a "win" but if we talkin' alongside traditional "good" (i'm usin' the word good loosely) gangsters, avon was the man you wanted to see win and marlo was like the foil of avon's character because he's the exact opposite.

see, with avon there was this system and a line of morals in the the corrupt world of what he was involved in. yeah, he was technically one of the "bad" guys but because he followed the "code of the streets" it made him a respectable gangster (in my opinion)

again, avon = goat representation of a modern day gangster

 

[Malachi Coleman]

marlo ain't make avon look stupid. marlo won't a man of respect. he didn't play by the rules. he just a wild ass renegade.

it was just unfortunate that there was internal beef inside of the avon organization and shyt fell apart

marlo was successful because he didn't play by the rules and i guess for some people that's a "win" but if we talkin' alongside traditional "good" (i'm usin' the word good loosely) gangsters, avon was the man you wanted to see win and marlo was like the foil of avon's character because he's the exact opposite.

see, with avon there was this system and a line of morals in the the corrupt world of what he was involved in. yeah, he was technically one of the "bad" guys but because he followed the "code of the streets" it made him a respectable gangster (in my opinion)

again, avon = goat representation of a modern day gangster

You missed the whole point of the show if you think there were "good" and "bad" guys in The Wire, maybe with the exception of a very few characters. Anyway, most people love Avon and agree.

 

[I love Latina women]

You missed the whole point of the show if you think there were "good" and "bad" guys in The Wire, maybe with the exception of a very few characters. Anyway, most people love Avon and agree.

no, you missed the whole point of my post that you just quoted and the way i loosely used and quoted the word "good"

 

[Figaro]

marlo ain't make avon look stupid. marlo won't a man of respect. he didn't play by the rules. he just a wild ass renegade.

it was just unfortunate that there was internal beef inside of the avon organization and shyt fell apart

marlo was successful because he didn't play by the rules and i guess for some people that's a "win" but if we talkin' alongside traditional "good" (i'm usin' the word good loosely) gangsters, avon was the man you wanted to see win and marlo was like the foil of avon's character because he's the exact opposite.

see, with avon there was this system and a line of morals in the the corrupt world of what he was involved in. yeah, he was technically one of the "bad" guys but because he followed the "code of the streets" it made him a respectable gangster (in my opinion)

again, avon = goat representation of a modern day gangster

When did Marlo not play by the rules?

The point of the show is, if you play by the rules of the game...you can survive, if you try to bend the rules or not play by the rules of the game, you end up dead by the game, which was what Stringer Bell's death pointed out. He tried to change the rules & play rules outside the game & it got him got.