Ayyo let me educate some of yall knuckleheads about GOAT, and top 5,10, etc lists.

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If you make a top ten list and you don't have Common, Q-Tip, Black Thought, and Scarface on it you are a clown, you can eat a dikk, and your list is grade a garbage. Now if you put dudes like Biggie, Big L, and Big Pun on that list over these dudes you just need to off yourself.


Let me explain why, and I'm going to start with Black thought; This man has literally never had a bad verse in his life. You can not find a Black Thought verse that was straight up garbage, mediocre, or below average. Who has a career spanning 2 decades and put in as much work as him that can say that? The Roots have been putting out hit after hit after hit after hit. Things Fall Apart, Illadelph, Do You Want More, Rising Down, Undun, How I got Over are all 8/10 or higher albums. This dudes body of work is fukking immaculate.


As far as Q-tip goes, this always throw dudes on a loop and they always try to belittle what he did. First and foremost this dude was Kanye before there was a Kanye and he made all of what these dudes are doing possible. He was the best producer/rapper out there in his prime. The thing that makes Q-Tip one of the most significant dudes that never gets any attention is his hand in shaping so many classic albums. He did work on Illmatic, It Was Written, The Infamous, Like Water For Chocolate, ATCQ albums, Soulsquarians, The Umhah, Native Tongues. No one is fukking with this dude. He has the golden touch. Dudes first album came out in 1990 and he still putting in work. ATCQ first three albums are certified classics. Yall better act like yall know something.


Dudes not including Scarface is what pisses me off the most. I dare anyone here to go listen to any of his albums and say this man didn't put in work. I dare anyone to say his work with The Geto Boys was trash. Certified southern legend and if any southern artist is going to be on the list it has to be him. No ifs and buts about it.


Common shares so many similarities with Nas and Jay-Z when it comes to albums. Can I borrow a Dollar was alright, nothing special, One Day It'll all make sense was aiight, once again nothing special, Resurrection Classic, Like Water For chocolate classic, Be was a classic, Electric Circus was hot garbage. Finding forever was dope, Universal mind control was:why:, The Dreamer was dope. So add that up, thats three classics, 2 good-great albums and two aiight albums. Thats Reasonable Doubt,Blueprint, and the Black Album being classics with In My Life Time and AG being good-great. Vol. 3 and Blueprint 3 were garbage. BP3 vol.2 was aight. Illmatic, Stillmatic, It Was Written being classics, with God Son and Lost Tapes being good-great. I Am and Nastadamus was garbage. After God Son he released completely average albums How can you include them but not Common?

They have literally released the exact same amount of quality and garbage. 3 classics, 2 garbage albums, 2 average, and 2 good-great.

Now come out your mouth and disagree. :myman:
 

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"Oooh ooh ooh my top 5 is different from everybody elses y'all:krs:"

:snoop: no Pac or Cube.
 

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Stopped reading at you thinking Common, Black Thought and Q-Tip > Biggie :pachaha:
 

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Biggie is so mch better than black thought its not even funny. You're trying too hard to sound elitist.

:what: You have never heard a Roots album in your life.

And to the idiot with the first response, this thread isn't about my top 5 or top ten or whatever, this isn't my list of my personal favorite rappers. This is about dudes that deserve respect and deserve to be over the list, or at least more than a lot of people that actually do make it. This is me noticing how there is always a penchant in hip hop for dudes to give credit to rappers that put out one good album, or put other rappers above dudes that put in just as much work. Big L dropped a classic no doubt about it. But, so has everyone in my post, multiple times in fact. Stop letting the 'artist died' effect warp how you feel.
 

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Stopped reading at you thinking Common, Black Thought and Q-Tip > Biggie :pachaha:

So you're going to ignore all the contributions these guys have had? You're going to ignore how they have all put in far more work? Aiight clown. Read my first sentence:jawalrus:
 

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So you're going to ignore all the contributions these guys have had? You're going to ignore how they have all put in far more work? Aiight clown. Read my first sentence:jawalrus:
Sorry BIG didn't put in more work......he's dead, b :dwillhuh:

Q-Tip is in my top-10 iconic hip hop figures (not rappers); for his work as a producer, rapper, hip hop ambassador and teacher (by taking Mobb Deep under his wing). But his pen game is not on the same level as Biggie.

Black Thought can spit, but not like the Notorious. And I don't care for Common at all, he's nowhere near my top 10 honestly.

Scarface is probably in my top 10, or at least top 15. I agree there.
 

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Main level (lobby level) Big, Pac, Nas, Jay, Rakim
2nd tier Cube, Snoop, Face, Andre 3k

Ghostface rounds out my top 10 but you can make an argument for Eminem due to impact even though I'm not a big fan and probably wouldn't have him in top 25 personally.
 

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Sorry BIG didn't put in more work......he's dead, b :dwillhuh:

Q-Tip is in my top-10 iconic hip hop figures (not rappers); for his work as a producer, rapper, hip hop ambassador and teacher (by taking Mobb Deep under his wing). But his pen game is not on the same level as Biggie.

Black Thought can spit, but not like the Notorious. And I don't care for Common at all, he's nowhere near my top 10 honestly.

Scarface is probably in my top 10, or at least top 15. I agree there.

Him being dead is exactly my point. He did put in work while he was alive, I'd say Ready To Die is a classic, BUT he did die, and thats the end of his story, unless you want to count the weed plate status posthumous albums not named Life After Death. It just doesn't make sense to say he would have done this, he would have done that, he would have turned in like 4 more classics. It didn't happen. There is no way for anyone to prove it and it isn't tangible. I measure what I see, what I have heard, and what I know. So in that regard when you stack up the discographies, Biggie just doesn't compare to some of the other dudes out there. I'm sorry. He's a legend. He's a dope rapper, but his body of work doesn't compare to other legends. And c'mon dude could spit, but Black Thought held his own with Big Pun :manny:
 

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Let me school your birdbrain about top 10 lists and such, it's all personal opinions.
A lot of these rappers are basically on the same level, personal opinions separate them. If someone says Big > Q-tip or Tip > Big it's the same shyt.
 

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Main level (lobby level) Big, Pac, Nas, Jay, Rakim
2nd tier Cube, Snoop, Face, Andre 3k

Ghostface rounds out my top 10 but you can make an argument for Eminem due to impact even though I'm not a big fan and probably wouldn't have him in top 25 personally.

I don't like accounting influence because it gets too far away from the music and a lot of rappers that are great in their own right didn't necessarily influence anything. I just base everything I'm saying in here on the actual culmination of the music, which is the albums and the discographies. You can argue all day about the lyrics, the techniques, the rhyme schemes, and all that, but excelling at all of that doesn't translate to making good music. As you see I have Q-tip up there as a dude that has an insane discography, but isn't the dude you go to have you looking up lines or something.

I agree that Ghostface is another dude up there never getting credit for his discography. Eminem's discography kinda weak to me, but a lot of dudes respect it so whatever
 

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Black Thought doesn't even like the music he makes according that fakkit ?uestlove. He's a Tier 0 lyricist though, The Roots have classic tracks but neither Thought or Roots are top 5 status

however, A Tribe Called Quest IS top 5 status, they're the best hip hop group ever. Three classics in a row, can't say that for any other artist/group in rap. Q-Tip is severely underrated for his contributions

Common's official album discography > Jay's official album discography but Jigga's feature/guest verses, freestyle, & unreleased material shyt on Sense. "Be" isn't a classic by the way, 4.5 at best, production was top notch though. Resurrection & LCFW > Be

Nas' albums are all 4+, except for Nastradamus & I Am :scusthov: His discography
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on Common's

Scarface is top 15, The Diary & The Fix :ooh: Him & Beans left Jigga for dead on all of their collabos, too

Big L & Pun aren't in my top 5, top 20 even, but they're dope. Their solo albums are near classics. Black Thought got Pun on "Super Lyrical", some of Pun's rhymes on that song had me dead

It pays to be amazingly flavery
Daaaaze 'em to my rhymes that basically hypnotize you occasionally :laff:
 

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What 5 hip hop groups have better albums than The Roots? :usure:. I don't even got a comment on how yall throwing shade on Black Thought tho, yall just......:rudy:
 
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So youre telling people their opinions are wrong because theyre is not your opinion? :childplease: The whole GOAT, top5,top10 discussion shyt is stupid and opinionated. Arguing music is one of the most ridiculous thing people can do. Youre arguing with people about what they personally prefer. Thats some narcissistic shyt. You already fukk up trying to put 10 rappers in the top and having to take out and put in constantly and in the end: there is no end because your constantly redoing your list and will never have a solid lists. How can people still walk around not realizing none of your lists are the same. You cant even factually prove these are the top 5 10 or 15 rappers. You cant base it off anything. Too many rappers have been around to be making these kind of jaded lists.

If you really want to classify rappers by your personal taste then put them in tiers. Dont make some short list and fukk yourself over.

@ Heelish daps for the ATCQ mention. I'm a huge Tribe stan. What was your fave out of their 5?
 
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