Barbary Lion vs Siberian Tiger

[Sword]

Leons advantages:

+Taller by a foot at the shoulder and head
+More fighting experience fighting week to week
+Has a protective mane guarding the neck and underside
+Strikes harder, more endurance, more game

Tigers advantages:

+Longer in the body
+Longer canines and stealth
+Quicker in movements and more agile
+More ferocious, blood lusted and cunning

Some bear feats:

Leones
African lion vs Grizzly Bear

Tigresa
http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/9655446/1/



The lyons greatest competition:




The tagers greatest competition:
Leopard kills tiger

Wild dogs kill tiger


BONUS ROUND:

Asiatic lion vs Bengal tiger

 

[Saiyajin]

Tiger because they're solitary so they hunt alone and have way more muscle. They have to watch their own backs and are constantly on the move.

Male lions make the women go hunt and they eat first off that. They only fight once in a while to maintain control of the pride. Otherwise its sleep, eat or fukk and end up being Fat.

A Tiger is a Warrior and the Lion is a King.


Even though Tiger is stronger, Lion is the best animal because of how it lives

 

[Sword]

Tiger because they're solitary so they hunt alone and have way more muscle. They have to watch their own backs and are constantly on the move.

Male lions make the women go hunt and they eat first off that. They only fight once in a while to maintain control of the pride. Otherwise its sleep, eat or fukk and end up being Fat.

A Tiger is a Warrior and the Lion is a King.


Even though Tiger is stronger, Lion is the best animal because of how it lives

I think the lion has the most muscle mass percent of any land animal ever tested:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/106762/3889030-8716730068-perce.jpg

They are nearly pure muscle, stocky, short and stout:

Tigers are thin, lithe and long, some records upto 12 feet, thats 2 feet longer than a polar bear:

Of course you cant see a male lions because it is hidden by the mane, but only one man in all of science had taken the mane off and dissected the lion in an autopsy and compared it to a tiger, M.D Andrew howe, he stated beneath the mane lays a massive and huge hump of muscle at the shoulders that exceeds that of the tigers...dont know why a lion wouldn't have more muscle logically anyway, they thrive in the desert as well, hence the heat would strip away most of the excess fat.

They both have their strengths, the tiger is the stronger grappler as they soley bring down buffalo, guars and some times even rhinos, in the clinche he can control the lion better and throw him down easier, the lion is the stronger striker, he can knock off a pumas head, smite a jaguar dead, break the neck bone of a zebra and donkey cave in the skull of a black or brown bear, or use his paw to drop a horse, camel, buffalo and eland:
African Lions Striking Strength: - History Forum ~ All Empires

Two live different lives, one likes fame and war, (lion) the other solitude and terror (tiger).

Some basic facts:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i5otS5rqyY

 

[Another Man]

I think the lion has the most muscle mass percent of any land animal ever tested:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/106762/3889030-8716730068-perce.jpg

They are nearly pure muscle, stocky, short and stout:

Tigers are thin, lithe and long, some records upto 12 feet, thats 2 feet longer than a polar bear:

Of course you cant see a male lions because it is hidden by the mane, but only one man in all of science had taken the mane off and dissected the lion in an autopsy and compared it to a tiger, M.D Andrew howe, he stated beneath the mane lays a massive and huge hump of muscle at the shoulders that exceeds that of the tigers...dont know why a lion wouldn't have more muscle logically anyway, they thrive in the desert as well, hence the heat would strip away most of the excess fat.

They both have their strengths, the tiger is the stronger grappler as they soley bring down buffalo, guars and some times even rhinos, in the clinche he can control the lion better and throw him down easier, the lion is the stronger striker, he can knock off a pumas head, smite a jaguar dead, break the neck bone of a zebra and donkey cave in the skull of a black or brown bear, or use his paw to drop a horse, camel, buffalo and eland:
African Lions Striking Strength: - History Forum ~ All Empires

Two live different lives, one likes fame and war, (lion) the other solitude and terror (tiger).

At 700 lbs?

Thats solid lean mass.

 

[Sword]

At 700 lbs?

Thats solid lean mass.

There are some valuable cites in that sources, such as the entire siberian tiger conservationist, who documented over 300 tigers, none passing 262 kg in the past 25 years, some like Igor even stated he doughts the siberian tiger ever went past 600 lbs, as there is no abundancey of prey that would suggest they can, the average Siberian now days is a mere 175 kg, but we are speaking historically so they could be bigger in the past because of more prey...interestingly 3 lions in tangayika east africa shot in the 30's and 60s weighed 700 and 800 lbs by D.F Kruger and a whopper by Daniel E Boone at 900 lbs, about the same time the siberians were known to hit the 800+ lb numbers, either back then they could grow alot bigger or the hunters were exaggerating the weights...either way, both only average a solid 220 kg as a prime specimen.

 

[Born2BKing]

Leons advantages:

+Taller by a foot at the shoulder and head
+More fighting experience fighting week to week
+Has a protective mane guarding the neck and underside
+Strikes harder, more endurance, more game

Tigers advantages:

+Longer in the body
+Longer canines and stealth
+Quicker in movements and more agile
+More ferocious, blood lusted and cunning

Some bear feats:

Leones
African lion vs Grizzly Bear

Tigresa
http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/9655446/1/



The lyons greatest competition:




The tagers greatest competition:
Leopard kills tiger

Wild dogs kill tiger


BONUS ROUND:

Asiatic lion vs Bengal tiger

I'm rolling wit that nikka leon

 

[Sword]

I'm rolling wit that nikka leon

Tiger Victorys:
Tigress Kills Male lion in Zoo in Lion vs tiger forum Forum

Lion Victorys:
Lion kills male tigers in Lion vs tiger forum Forum

I dont see how the tiger is gona be getting past the mane most of the time, and the barbary lion had the largest of manes:
The African Lions Mane - History Forum ~ All Empires

 

[Saiyajin]

I think the lion has the most muscle mass percent of any land animal ever tested:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/106762/3889030-8716730068-perce.jpg

They are nearly pure muscle, stocky, short and stout:

Tigers are thin, lithe and long, some records upto 12 feet, thats 2 feet longer than a polar bear:

Of course you cant see a male lions because it is hidden by the mane, but only one man in all of science had taken the mane off and dissected the lion in an autopsy and compared it to a tiger, M.D Andrew howe, he stated beneath the mane lays a massive and huge hump of muscle at the shoulders that exceeds that of the tigers...dont know why a lion wouldn't have more muscle logically anyway, they thrive in the desert as well, hence the heat would strip away most of the excess fat.

They both have their strengths, the tiger is the stronger grappler as they soley bring down buffalo, guars and some times even rhinos, in the clinche he can control the lion better and throw him down easier, the lion is the stronger striker, he can knock off a pumas head, smite a jaguar dead, break the neck bone of a zebra and donkey cave in the skull of a black or brown bear, or use his paw to drop a horse, camel, buffalo and eland:
African Lions Striking Strength: - History Forum ~ All Empires

Two live different lives, one likes fame and war, (lion) the other solitude and terror (tiger).

Wow great argument and sources and you convinced me.

I was wrong and making assumptions based on how they looked instead of looking up the facts. Shocking that Lions muscle comp is so high. Also amazing how ours ancestors survived with predators like that and thrived.

 

[Sword]

Wow great argument and sources and you convinced me.

I was wrong and making assumptions based on how they looked instead of looking up the facts. Shocking that Lions muscle comp is so high. Also amazing how ours ancestors survived with predators like that and thrived.

I agree, quite amazing since there were tons more of the animals...there weren't just lions in africa, their was the cave lion in Europe or leo spalea, lions in america leo atrox and lions in india too, leo persica..surprising alot didnt know lions thrived in india till recent. But still its fair game when both are at their peak battle mode...it could go either way, this one is close though.

My favorite tiger is the caspian tiger, some say it was a mix between the two bengal and amur, and has more lion like traits, (since they can thrive in desert like places).

 

[Saiyajin]

I agree, quite amazing since there were tons more of the animals...there weren't just lions in africa, their was the cave lion in Europe or leo spalea, lions in america leo atrox and lions in india too, leo persica...surprising alot didnt know lions thrived in india till recent. But still its fair game when both are at their peak battle mode...it could go either way, this one is close though.

My favorite tiger is the caspian tiger, some say it was a mix between the two bengal and amur, and has more lion like traits, (since they can thrive in desert like places).

yea

its ironic how the Lions Mane and Tigers stripes which were so useful in terms of survival and evolution (Lions mane's are sexually selected so mane is extremely important for lions evolution wise) ended up leading to their downfall and extinction cuz us Humans liked how they looked and killed and skinned them to extinction.

I remember reading how Humans are a completely unique type of predator and unprecedented form of predator. Because we specifically target Adult prey. Since we use tools we are fearless and by killing Adult prey (usually go after the largest one) we end up crippling the species ability to reproduce and replenish. Thats why anything in our path became extinct. All other species will go after an injured, sick or a baby for food but us we go after Adults. No other species behaves this way. It's crazy and explains why we took over the Earth

 

[Sword]

yea

its ironic how the Lions Mane and Tigers stripes which were so useful in terms of survival and evolution (Lions mane's are sexually selected so mane is extremely important for lions evolution wise) ended up leading to their downfall and extinction cuz us Humans liked how they looked and killed and skinned them to extinction.

I remember reading how Humans are a completely unique type of predator and unprecedented form of predator. Because we specifically target Adult prey. Since we use tools we are fearless and by killing Adult prey (usually go after the largest one) we end up crippling the species ability to reproduce and replenish. Thats why anything in our path became extinct. All other species will go after an injured, sick or a baby for food but us we go after Adults. It's crazy and explains why we took over the Earth

Evolution shows their character...

Spots and stripes are made to hide these animals, increases their chances to survive, hence lions when cubs have spots too and look almost like leopard cubs, but as time goes along they lose them, thats because they no longer need to hide, the unification of the pride and or coalition of males is able to out compete anything, since they will be all huddled together...hence it is probably why you hear lions are always sleeping, its not that they extend their sleeping time, they just wont be challenged like another predator, if hyenas or wild dogs come around, every solitary animal has to get going, for lion cubs they can sleep right through thunder if they wanted to, the adults will provide the protection, which is what the male lions only job is to do. Hence as adults there isn't a need for a stealth factor (spots or stripes), since they fight week to week they needed a different evolutionary adaptation, a mane...this lessens the killing of their own kind while fighting over food or pecking orders.

Interestingly, tigers dont lose their stripes because they need them still against wild dogs even as adults, who kill quite a bit of tigers, hence they need to remain hidden and unseen...it can be the same for pumas, pumas are in a world of their own in pure fighting skill, they kill black and brown bears...hence no needing to run from anything if a grizzly bear can barely hold his ground with it. Thence no need for spots and stripes.

 

[DreadBrown]

yea

its ironic how the Lions Mane and Tigers stripes which were so useful in terms of survival and evolution (Lions mane's are sexually selected so mane is extremely important for lions evolution wise) ended up leading to their downfall and extinction cuz us Humans liked how they looked and killed and skinned them to extinction.

I remember reading how Humans are a completely unique type of predator and unprecedented form of predator. Because we specifically target Adult prey. Since we use tools we are fearless and by killing Adult prey (usually go after the largest one) we end up crippling the species ability to reproduce and replenish. Thats why anything in our path became extinct. All other species will go after an injured, sick or a baby for food but us we go after Adults. It's crazy and explains why we took over the Earth

shyt like this is why I can't believe we are a product of evolution/natural selection alone. We are the worst thing that ever happen to the planet. We choose to operate outside of the balance of nature.

 

[Sword]

Tigers are built differently, they are elongated, this tiger would stretch higher than a polar bear:

Both standing on their hind feet the tiger will be the taller/longer, but this same tiger standing next to a lion on all fours, would be shorter in height at the shoulder...they are anatomically built differently...one long, one tall.

But I think this fight will be determined more upon skill than size, since weight wise they are both the same.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zmUE8e3wK0

 

[BujuBoombastic]

Tough choice. But I probably would lean towards the Lion on this one. However, looking at this






@Sword

Thoughts on the Liger?

 

[Remote]

There are no good lion songs.

Meanwhile