Barkley: LeBron can't crack my all-time top five

[GreatestLaker]

I can't rank Lebron in Top 5 because of a few reasons. He has 4 MVPs, but who are his peers? Where is his competition in that regard? Durant, Melo, Kobe and Rose are the only other ones who are even lethal enough scorers (scorers period) to carry a team, Kobe damn near 2 decades in and is the only one of them that can impact a game in different ways. Melo will NEVER get MVP consideration and Rose was hurt. So Lebron is the best by a wide margin athleticism and explosiveness.

Secondly, for someone that's a "once in a generation" talent, where are his phenomenal stats and accomplishments? Where are the things we've never seen before? Where is his 25 & 10 rpg or apg for a full season? A week of averaging 45ppg, 10 3s in a game, a barrage of triple doubles, a 40-20-15 triple double...something spectacular, something unique. He's the biggest, fastest, strongest and one of the best passers but still putting up Tmac/Vince/Clyde numbers. He has what..5 more triple doubles than Grant Hill. That automatically drops him from Top 10...unless he wins 2more rings. That's just my opinion.

Lebron's ranking have always been about potential, not actual accomplishments.

 

[Eternal Tecate]

Different is that they got draft through by their teams while LeBron in his prime and gave up on his ownhometown and actually had chat with other superstars while in off season about why not join up on the same team and win in easy way...to me thats actually a

This has nothing to do with how good he is at basketball.

 

[MostReal]

Guess I'll post this here

Emmitt Smith

yes... have statistical awards & championships but...never looked at or respected as the best of his craft because of the supped up team he has around him.
he did it to himself.

Everyone with some type of brain, thinks this breh it is what it is...

This MIA team is so jacked up they may threaten the 72-10 record

 

[Swagnificent]

he broke out 12 years ago and only has one mvp to show for it?


And I never said it wasn't a big deal. I was actually giving props.

if the award actually meant what it stands for then Kobe would've gotten it 2006 over Nash and 2007 over Dirk

but its a political award voted on by the media

if your only argument against Kobe being top 10 is that he only has one MVP, then that isn't a good argument

Shaq also has only one MVP....food for thought

 

[Swagnificent]

Didn't see that you bolded some. Here we go.

Bird-
Bird's peak from 84-86 in which he won 3 straight MVPs shyts on anything Kobe ever did. He was the clear best player on a top 3 team ever assembled in 86. Bird was better than Kobe at everything but man to man defense. He scored at the same volume with better efficiency, was a better rebounder, better passer, and better team defender. He was the best player on his team for every one of his rings. He has 3 Finals MVPs to Kobe's 1. He has 3 MVPs to Kobe's 1. He played in the most competitive era of all time. His titles came against the Showtime Lakers, not the poverty Magic and the past their prime Celtics. When he was drafted the Celtics went from a 20 something win team to a 60 something win team. Kobe's bulk accolades don't mean shyt when comparing him to Bird because Bird's peak play was so much higher and even in less years he accomplished more as a player. And no, I don't consider all star teams and all defensive teams an accomplishment worth noting when discussing the best players of all time.

Shaq-
Shaq also has 3 Finals MVPs and was clearly, by far, not even close, the best player on all of his Laker teams. Shaq's presence on both ends of the court shat on anything Kobe was capable of. He was one of the 3 most dominant offensive forces to ever step on the court. Kobe's impact never touched Shaq's, not when he played with him, not when he was chucking, and not when he was winning championships as the man.

Duncan-
4 titles and 3 Finals MVPs, and Tony Parker's MVP was a joke. In 02-03 he pulled a Hakeem and put a mediocre team on his back in route to a championship. He's one of the greatest defenders ever, and even last year his old ass showed that he can still turn it on when it mattered. His peak is far higher than anything Kobe reached.

Hakeem-
2 Finals MVPs with teams worse than anything Kobe had during the years he won a championship. A far, far, FAR greater defensive impact than Kobe could ever muster. He was top 3 all time at worst.

Lebron-
4 MVPs and counting, 2 Finals MVPs already, way higher peak, way higher offensive impact, way higher defensive impact, it's not eve close anymore that ship has sailed.

once again all you posted is YOUR OPINION.......that is all top 10 lists are....OPINION

Many of your arguments highlight one accomplishment or award a certain player has over Kobe, and you giving weight to them more than other awards or accomplishments Kobe has over them. As I stated earlier, I acknowledge that Duncan might have one more MVP and finals MVP, but then again Kobe has more rings, all-nba, all-defensive, all-star, scoring titles, etc. You can argue that Duncan having one more MVP and finals MVP outweighs all those other things Kobe has on him. I choose to disagree. Similarly you argue that Kobe's sustained excellence is outweighed by the fact Bird had a higher peak (in your opinion). I simply disagree with choosing peak play over sustained excellence. You once again chose to give more weight to one factor while I gave weight to another.

The reason your opinion is MORONIC is the fact that almost every respectable basketball authority has Kobe in the top 10 all-time.

 

[The God Poster]

@STAN JONES a fuk boy

 

[Eternal Tecate]

once again all you posted is YOUR OPINION.......that is all top 10 lists are....OPINION

Many of your arguments highlight one accomplishment or award a certain player has over Kobe, and you giving weight to them more than other awards or accomplishments Kobe has over them. As I stated earlier, I acknowledge that Duncan might have one more MVP and finals MVP, but then again Kobe has more rings, all-nba, all-defensive, all-star, scoring titles, etc. You can argue that Duncan having one more MVP and finals MVP outweighs all those other things Kobe has on him. I choose to disagree. Similarly you argue that Kobe's sustained excellence is outweighed by the fact Bird had a higher peak (in your opinion). I simply disagree with choosing peak play over sustained excellence. You once again chose to give more weight to one factor while I gave weight to another.

The reason your opinion is MORONIC is the fact that almost every respectable basketball authority has Kobe in the top 10 all-time.

I am a respectable basketball authority.

You think team accolades, all-nba and defensive, all stars, and scoring titles weigh more than MVPs and Finals MVPs? You think it's insignificant that 3 of Kobe's titles came when he was the 2nd best player on his team? How highly do you rank Scottie Pippen? And Kevin McHale? And John Havlicek? Russell must be your GOAT then. If accolades matter more than peak play then he is the undisputed GOAT who will never be overtaken. Jordan's accolades aren't shyt compared to Russell.

And even still using your bullshyt criteria, Tim Duncan has a far more impressive career than Kobe. He has just as many all nba, all d, all star selections, blah blah blah. And he as twice as many titles as the absolute MAN on his team.

When it comes to ranking him ahead of guys like Shaq and Hakeem, I don't know how you can just point at Kobe's accolades and act like those outweigh those 2's contributions on the defensive end. Kobe making all defensive first team (most of the time underservadly) doesn't mean shyt when comparing it to Hakeem and Shaq's interior presences. Hakeem might be the greatest defender ever and has DPOY's to back it up. Shaq is one of the most underrated defenders ever. He completely shut down the paint with his size and athleticism. Kobe never came close to a fraction of either of their impacts. "Sustained greatness" is overrated. Kobe doesn't get extra points for being a dikk and coming out of high school and starting to accumulate points earlier. Past players shouldn't be penalized for going to college because that was just what you did back then. Larry Bird shouldn't be penalized for not having illegal German medical procedures to rely on when he got injured later in his career so he could keep playing.

You're right, all of these things are my opinion, but my opinion happens to be more informed than yours.

 

[lutha]

his list, so it's his opinion....no big deal...shocked he didn't have magic nor bird, especially with the way he's shytted on some of the new generation in comparison to them, but it's been so many muthafukkas over the years that could ball, to narrow it to 10 gotta be hard as hell....that's why I don't like lists...

 

[Alexander The Great]

didn't read the read but Barkley is the same idiot that said ON OPEN COURT that Lebron could be better than Jordan. and he said it after the Heat won on 2012.

 

[Zach Lowe]

Didn't see that you bolded some. Here we go.

Bird-
Bird's peak from 84-86 in which he won 3 straight MVPs shyts on anything Kobe ever did. He was the clear best player on a top 3 team ever assembled in 86. Bird was better than Kobe at everything but man to man defense. He scored at the same volume with better efficiency, was a better rebounder, better passer, and better team defender. He was the best player on his team for every one of his rings. He has 3 Finals MVPs to Kobe's 1. He has 3 MVPs to Kobe's 1. He played in the most competitive era of all time. His titles came against the Showtime Lakers, not the poverty Magic and the past their prime Celtics. When he was drafted the Celtics went from a 20 something win team to a 60 something win team. Kobe's bulk accolades don't mean shyt when comparing him to Bird because Bird's peak play was so much higher and even in less years he accomplished more as a player. And no, I don't consider all star teams and all defensive teams an accomplishment worth noting when discussing the best players of all time.

Shaq-
Shaq also has 3 Finals MVPs and was clearly, by far, not even close, the best player on all of his Laker teams. Shaq's presence on both ends of the court shat on anything Kobe was capable of. He was one of the 3 most dominant offensive forces to ever step on the court. Kobe's impact never touched Shaq's, not when he played with him, not when he was chucking, and not when he was winning championships as the man.

Duncan-
4 titles and 3 Finals MVPs, and Tony Parker's MVP was a joke. In 02-03 he pulled a Hakeem and put a mediocre team on his back in route to a championship. He's one of the greatest defenders ever, and even last year his old ass showed that he can still turn it on when it mattered. His peak is far higher than anything Kobe reached.

Hakeem-
2 Finals MVPs with teams worse than anything Kobe had during the years he won a championship. A far, far, FAR greater defensive impact than Kobe could ever muster. He was top 3 all time at worst.

Lebron-
4 MVPs and counting, 2 Finals MVPs already, way higher peak, way higher offensive impact, way higher defensive impact, it's not eve close anymore that ship has sailed.

Just rank them by FG% breh

 

[Torrential]