Baseball player Torii Hunter says Boston is so racist, his contracts had "do not trade me there"

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With that being said, watching an old baseball documentary. Why did we give up on baseball, by the 80s we were 20% or the league, today we are 5% :dahell:


baseball is expensive

that's it right there. They priced us out. When you got all american white boys getting drafted talking about how their parents spent a lot of money to get them there, you know it's a problem. Add that to the crack era destroying 3 generations and our general fickleness over what's "cool" and there you have it :francis:
 

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Boston is really a weird place, it’s like a 50/50 mix of the trashiest white people and cool people. There’s the dumbest and the Ivey leaguers. And on. A lot of the East is that way. People like to only focus on the the Ivey league people, BCG, Bain, bankers and hipsters, but it’s when you look at sports fans that you get the real representation.

With that being said, watching an old baseball documentary. Why did we give up on baseball, by the 80s we were 20% or the league, today we are 5% :dahell:

This man: :mjgrin:

My dad and uncles were more into baseball than the NBA and NFL. I was into baseball heavy. All my friends and cousins collected baseball cards. Baseball players were the coolest. MJ started to shift the culture and our attention started going to the NBA. More dynamic athletes started popping up in football. Athletes were bringing more excitement and personality. Baseball started going the opposite way. Once Bonds left it was a wrap.
 

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Not shocked.

They treated their greatest athlete/champion(Bill Russell) like shyt.

From Russell to KG to today’s Celtics: Being a black player in Boston

‘Flea market of racism’

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Russell, who declined to be interviewed for this story, once called Boston a “flea market of racism” in his 1979 memoir Second Wind.

“It had all varieties, old and new, and in their most virulent form,” Russell wrote. “The city had corrupt, city hall-crony racists, brick-throwing, send-’em-back-to-Africa racists, and in the university areas phony radical-chic racists. … Other than that, I liked the city.’’

Russell, a native of Oakland, California, arrived in Boston in 1956 after attending the University of San Francisco. While he was Boston’s first black star athlete, he was verbally abused by some Celtics fans and never felt welcome during his playing days. His home in the Boston suburb of Reading was vandalized while he was being celebrated at a country club in the same town. Karen K. Russell, Bill Russell’s daughter, penned a story for The New York Times in 1987 and said the house was in “shambles.”

The N-word was spray-painted on the walls, beer was poured on the pool table, trophies were smashed. The vandals defecated on parts of his home, too, including his bed. Russell was crushed by the incident, according to several of his former teammates.

“Things that Russell went through made him a very angry man,” Sanders said.

On March 13, 1972, the Celtics had a private ceremony to retire Russell’s No. 6 jersey at Boston Garden. The jersey was raised to the rafters in front of players and friends about an hour before the doors opened for a game against the New York Knicks. When asked why the ceremony wasn’t open to the public, Russell told reporters: “You know I don’t go for that stuff.”

The real reason was that Russell believed he never got the respect and adulation he deserved for leading the Celtics to 11 titles because he was black.

“[Russell] said he thought that Boston was the most racist place he had been in,” Sanders said.

In the 1960s and 1970s, Sanders said, it was even difficult getting cabs because he was black, not to mention renting an apartment where he wanted to live in the city.

Deborah White, the widow of late Celtics great Jo Jo White, recalled her husband telling stories of racism that Russell and Sam Jones had to deal with in Boston. She said that Jones spoke of having “inappropriate things,” including a burning cross, put in his front yard.

Should’ve been with GOAT franchise instead. That’s why I hardly acknowledge them ‘ships seeing as how they hardly acknowledged his humanity.
 

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Boston is really a weird place, it’s like a 50/50 mix of the trashiest white people and cool people. There’s the dumbest and the Ivey leaguers. And on. A lot of the East is that way. People like to only focus on the the Ivey league people, BCG, Bain, bankers and hipsters, but it’s when you look at sports fans that you get the real representation.

With that being said, watching an old baseball documentary. Why did we give up on baseball, by the 80s we were 20% or the league, today we are 5% :dahell:

20% of the league but a way greater proportion of all-stars and MVPs. I wonder the same thing.
 

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This may explain some of the reason Kyrie wanted out...But why are the other guys especially Jaylen Brown seem to be cool there?
 

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20% of the league but a way greater proportion of all-stars and MVPs. I wonder the same thing.

im trying to get my son into it honestly and soccer but he wants to play football...But the thing with baseball in my city Cincinnati we had local stars and I can’t explain why we should always have baseball players and boxers on deck but everyone wants to be a Hooper I legit think ole boy on the thunder bazley is the only Hooper we have had make it to the league in forever.
 

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20% of the league but a way greater proportion of all-stars and MVPs. I wonder the same thing.

I really believe that they received poor coaching and Black QB-esque short leashes in the minors. There have been plenty of Black players drafted out of HS in that time span, but the bust rate on them is extremely high by nature. Since most of them can't won't pass up on that money, fewer go to college where they can develop more. They're probably expected to immediately perform and if they don't then they get less help to get back on track. That's probably the difference between us being 5% instead of 8-10% right now.
 

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Boston is really a weird place, it’s like a 50/50 mix of the trashiest white people and cool people. There’s the dumbest and the Ivey leaguers. And on. A lot of the East is that way. People like to only focus on the the Ivey league people, BCG, Bain, bankers and hipsters, but it’s when you look at sports fans that you get the real representation.

With that being said, watching an old baseball documentary. Why did we give up on baseball, by the 80s we were 20% or the league, today we are 5% :dahell:
Whats crazy is i grew up playing baseball just like basketball and football, and at least til high school all of the rival teams was black just like us and we went at it on the ballfield. I cant really explain it, i was getting scouted to play college and just lost interest and gave up on the sport. Went another direction. Its wild cause baseball was a real live sport back in the 80s early 90s
 

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I really believe that they received poor coaching and Black QB-esque short leashes in the minors. There have been plenty of Black players drafted out of HS in that time span, but the bust rate on them is extremely high by nature. Since most of them can't won't pass up on that money, fewer go to college where they can develop more. They're probably expected to immediately perform and if they don't then they get less help to get back on track. That's probably the difference between us being 5% instead of 8-10% right now.

Ignorant question. Why does baseball have such a long minors process? Why not be like the NFL or NBA? I feel it misses out on good prospects who would rather make money right quick like a Kyler Murray.
 

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Ignorant question. Why does baseball have such a long minors process? Why not be like the NFL or NBA? I feel it misses out on good prospects who would rather make money right quick like a Kyler Murray.
It doesn't have to be long. It's not all that different from football. If you're good enough you can make it to the majors within a year or 2 of being drafted, 3 or 4 tops. That puts you in the league by 21-24, just about the same age as the NFL. The rest of the minors are basically filler for these elite talents to develop and play against. Those "filler" players may eventually become big leaguers themselves though, hence the 27-30 year old rookies. Those players are equivalent to UDFA players who bounce around a couple years before getting consistent playing time.

The real problem is the way team control and reaching FA are set up. You have to play for 3 years before you can possibly make some good money via arbitration, and 6 years before you're a FA. MLB rewards track record and longevity, whereas NBA and NFL pay more for potential.
 

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Whats crazy is i grew up playing baseball just like basketball and football, and at least til high school all of the rival teams was black just like us and we went at it on the ballfield. I cant really explain it, i was getting scouted to play college and just lost interest and gave up on the sport. Went another direction. Its wild cause baseball was a real live sport back in the 80s early 90s
I used to play short stop.
And i used to do this move where if the batter hit a fast grounder to me, id slap my glove on the ball, pick it up with my right hand, and side arm sling that bytch to 1st!

:banderas:


Kids on the other team was like, "whaaaaaaat!?!"
:mindblown:

Baseball was so fun back in the day.
 
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