Bayer CEO: "We did not make this medicine for Indians…we made it for Westerners who can afford it"

[DEAD7]

One act of altruism? A lot of human advance in knowledge and society has been done outside the scope of profit margins. You care to debate this point?

We maybe defining profit differently thus talking past one another.

That's exactly what I'm asking for. Are you going to provide some scientific proof? Or are you going to reference lions and other primitive animals as your kind always end up doing?

You know what, rather than debate this absurd notion "scientifically" let me try this.
If people are naturally altruistic why do we need to force them to do anything? why cant we rely 100% on charity? Why is slavery the oldest and most widespread institution known to our species? Why are govts needed?

The very nature of an altruistic species would eliminate nearly all govt. functions... and I support it. Its simply just not the case.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

If people are naturally altruistic why do we need to force them to do anything? why cant we rely 100% on charity? Why is slavery the oldest and most widespread institution known to our species? Why are govts needed?

The very nature of an altruistic species would eliminate nearly all govt. functions... and I support it. Its simply just not the case.

Why are you being so black and white on this matter? It's clearly grey

 

[Type Username Here]

If people are naturally altruistic why do we need to force them to do anything? why cant we rely 100% on charity? Why is slavery the oldest and most widespread institution known to our species? Why are govts needed?

The very nature of an altruistic species would eliminate nearly all govt. functions... and I support it. Its simply just not the case.

People are NOT naturally altruistic. They are also NOT naturally greedy. That's my point. Humans can mold themselves to be one or the other, but only one seems to be inherently more logical when you take into consideration that we are social beings. YOU are the one saying that being greedy is the definitive "human condition". Where is the proof?

 

[DEAD7]

Why are you being so black and white on this matter? It's clearly grey

If you took an objective look at the history of our species i find it hard to believe it is as grey as many would think. We are pretty f*cked up African Americans know better than most, and if we aren't, why do we need so much force?
You cant tell me, people wont give enough for charity to be viable, then say we are naturally altruistic .
Unless we are redefining terms.

 

[ill]

My point in bringing up defense was solely to counter the point that nationalizing private interests is not a death blow to a company. Those companies are top earning companies. They continue to innovate even though if they could sell to the entire world without a problem, their profits would increase exponentially. The US government makes it illegal for them to do so and they do just fine. Thus, the argument that you and others made in this regard do not hold any weight.

The point of the DoD basically confiscating private companies weapons technology is that they pose a very large security threat to our nation if they end up in the hands of the wrong people. I don't think the same can be said about medicine. In your scenario, the government could be picking and choosing who it would administer the medicine to similar to security clearance levels. Defense contractors are "doing just fine" because the government pays them with bloated and exaggerated contracts thus raising the prices to astronomical levels. The proof can be seen in the DoD budget or in literally any military contract. Iraq and Afganistan are costing us so much money because these government contractors are charging 40x normal rates. Why do you think the government wouldn't do the same with medicine? Why would the government charge less for unique vaccines?

 

[DEAD7]

People are NOT naturally altruistic. They are also NOT naturally greedy. That's my point. Humans can mold themselves to be one or the other, but only one seems to be inherently more logical when you take into consideration that we are social beings. YOU are the one saying that being greedy is the definitive "human condition". Where is the proof?

I see. Well that's a good question. Im gonna let that roll around and get back to you.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

If you took an objective look at the history of our species i find it hard to believe it is as grey as many would think. We are pretty f*cked up African Americans know better than most, and if we aren't, why do we need so much force?
You cant tell me, people wont give enough for charity to be viable, then say we are naturally altruistic .
Unless we are redefining terms.

If you take an objective look at our history, we are sociable and cooperative enough to develop and preserve languages, traditions, the economic systems we discuss every day, science, religions, etc etc. We are also capable of hatred, war, theft, rape, and countless other things. It's grey. But the point of the matter is that atrocities and stumbles aside, we are so cooperative that we have created an entirely new paradigm of life separate from many of the laws of nature that animals in the wild are subject to. Don't be so negative.

 

[thekingsmen]

So the last couple pages are people arguing over profit margins and if it should be free or pay for the product. The problem here is Bayer itself. It's have massive deaths in it's products and these muthafukkas keep being allowed to stay in business.

 

[Type Username Here]

So the last couple pages are people arguing over profit margins and if it should be free or pay for the product. The problem here is Bayer itself. It's have massive deaths in it's products and these muthafukkas keep being allowed to stay in business.

Don't you have some eucalyptus leaves to chew and garlic power to snort? Let us be. The discussion we are having is relevant to the original article.

 

[DEAD7]

If you take an objective look at our history, we are sociable and cooperative enough to develop and preserve languages, traditions, the economic systems we discuss every day, science, religions, etc etc. We are also capable of hatred, war, theft, rape, and countless other things. It's grey. But the point of the matter is that atrocities and stumbles aside, we are so cooperative that we have created an entirely new paradigm of life separate from many of the laws of nature that animals in the wild are subject to. Don't be so negative.

Survival necessitates cooperation, so even in that we are acting in our ow best interest. In fact nothing supersedes the preservation of one self(self interest)... and I think the history of our species clearly shows that dominates over the selflessness of altruism, but we can agree to disagree

I actually want you to be right, cause its another argument against govt. when taken to its logical conclusion.

edit: well not you, "the other side" You are playing the middle.

 

[thekingsmen]

Don't you have some eucalyptus leaves to chew and garlic power to snort? Let us be. The discussion we are having is relevant to the original article.

Garlic powder to snort..... Chill homie...I was on your side in this thread.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Survival necessitates cooperation, so even in that we are acting in our ow best interest. In fact nothing supersedes the preservation of one self(self interest)... and I think the history of our species clearly shows that dominates over the selflessness of altruism, but we can agree to disagree

I actually want you to be right, cause its another argument against govt. when taken to its logical conclusion.

edit: well not you, "the other side" You are playing the middle.

Did I mention survival, friend in fact I intentionally made sure a lot of the things I mentioned were unrelated to pure survival for the most part. Of course people preserve themselves . My whole point is that our social power is so strong it's taken us out of the Hobbesian nature paradigm you Libertarians hump to death.

 

[DEAD7]

"Don't worry everyone, it will trickle down"

Whats funny is medical innovation in America does trickle down, eventually reaching everyone

 

[ill]

So the last couple pages are people arguing over profit margins and if it should be free or pay for the product. The problem here is Bayer itself. It's have massive deaths in it's products and these muthafukkas keep being allowed to stay in business.

I don't think anyones out here putting Bayer on a pedestal. The debate is about how we should motivate companies into creating solutions for current problems.

 

[Type Username Here]

Whats funny is medical innovation in America does trickle down, eventually reaching everyone

Eventually?