Beanie Sigel Responds To Dame Dash Saying Jay-Z Ruined His Life & Being Hurt He Chose Jay-Z Over Him

[Street Knowledge]

Gold 2 years prior.

Closer to plat in the years you're talking.

And few rappers were going platinum in the late '00s.

You have no legs to stand on. Yall full of chit.

Beans has one gold plat certification, his first album.

You still haven’t shown what type of “promo” someone who peaked commercially 7 years prior with a gold plaque(which was NOTHING in 2000) is entitled to in 2007.

He got an rkelly single, a video, and his shyt flopped. That’s beans fault no one else’s. It’s not like R Kelly didn’t have big features or songs in 2007.

 

[Street Knowledge]

@ thinking you’re right and everybody else is wrong



There so much I can dissect but I’ll just pick this. Who said Jadakiss maintained his career at that time ? Kiss, like almost everyone else, was in the wilderness. Last Kiss was ASSCHEEKS. I exaggerate slightly, but the point is it came and went. This despite a murderers row of features: Mary J, prime Jeezy, Pharrell, Wayne, Nas, Ghostface, and Ne-Yo Notice a trend yet?! Beans ft R Kelly, Free ft 50, etc. The old playbook didn’t work anymore

Kiss’ “career” as a traditional rap star was over. He had to make a way in other avenues. Styles P was the one who kept the flag up bc he fully embraced the new era of constant mixtapes (shout out Spitta). Jadakiss was MIA

Bonus: Was you outside? If you were, you’ll remember this track:



Once again we have jay z trying to throw his weight to help artists and it did NOTHING

It’s Jay Z’s fault these people were all washed

 

[re'up]

JAY didn't even know what he was doing around 2006-2008

The game was changed and already changed, rapidly from 2003

He put out a song called Victory around December 2008, that went nowhere, Kanye West and Auto tune, and another one Jockin Jay-Z

another with Mary J Blige, forgot the name, but it wasn't very good. None of these artists knew exactly what to do. So of course Free, Jada, Beanie, all those guys were adrift.

 

[Still Benefited]

Then why bring it up? Yall be acting like it was some sort of historical feat and trying to push this narrative thst kane killed hardcore hip-hop. Lol.. 50 was washed, and he basically doubled his sales with the Kanye sakes battle gimmick.

Most of that late-00s south stuff wasn't selling, and the industry was pushing it heavy on purpose. But that's a conversation for another time.

bottom line, Beans didn't get any promotion, just like everybody else that dropped on rocafella after dame left, aside from Jay & kanye.

East coast rap wasnt dead like you're claiming it to be. Rocafella is what died, once dame left.all this other stuff you're bringing up is neither here nor there. The south, the east, the nerds, all of this stuff can co-exist if given a proper platform. Hip-hop is not a monolith. Beans was getting plaques in the no limit/cash money era where the south sold a helluva lot more records.

And low-key, Beans album stunk anyway. That freeway album was excellent tho. It went to waste.

Exactly,Beans was already an established artist. I dont think we can even blame lack of promotion. Beans said it himself

"The B. Coming, that came out when I was incarcerated, too. It went gold with no promotion, nothing. I did seven videos in two days and only ..."


I was in the midwest at the time,in Kansas City. That album was suprisingly getting alot of love all on the strength of Feel It In The Air. And i dont think with Beanies style you can put him in the same box with other east coast rappers. He has a harder more aggressive style that in my experience can translate better outside of the east coast. Beans was established enough that a good project would sell near gold on word of mouth. Its like you said,that Solution album was just underwhelming . And i love Sigel and Kells but not only was that single ass and generic. It didnt give you high hopes for a masterpiece. Made me think Sigel might be going a more commerical route to maintain relevancy. And sorry,but Freeway not doing well wasnt suprising. Neither Jay or 50 is Quincy Jones. And Freeway is Jermaine Jackson at best,and Tito in the Rocafella collective as a whole. So as much as they tried to hype Jay and 50 collabing on it,nobody cared.

 

[Street Knowledge]

Exactly,Beans was already an established artist. I dont think we can even blame lack of promotion. Beans said it himself

"The B. Coming, that came out when I was incarcerated, too. It went gold with no promotion, nothing. I did seven videos in two days and only ..."


I was in the midwest at the time,in Kansas City. That album was suprisingly getting alot of love all on the strength of Feel It In The Air. And i dont think with Beanies style you can put him in the same box with other east coast rappers. He has a harder more aggressive style that in my experience can translate better outside of the east coast. Beans was established enough that a good project would sell near gold on word of mouth. Its like you said,that Solution album was just underwhelming . And i love Sigel and Kells but not only was that single ass and generic. It didnt give you high hopes for a masterpiece. Made me think Sigel might be going a more commerical route to maintain relevancy. And sorry,but Freeway not doing well wasnt suprising. Neither Jay or 50 is Quincy Jones. And Freeway is Jermaine Jackson at best,and Tito in the Rocafella collective as a whole. So as much as they tried to hype Jay and 50 collabing on it,nobody cared.

An established gold artist who peaked 7 years prior.

There are artists significantly bigger than beans who fell off by that time. What made him different?

 

[Still Benefited]

An established gold artist who peaked 7 years prior.

There are artists significantly bigger than beans who fell off by that time. What made him different?

The difference is Beans didnt fall off


Fans of Beans and fans of lyrical rap knew who Sigel was and what he did. He gave a very consistent catalogue up to that point. And hes not an artist whos sales were based on hit singles and promotions. I dont think you can say an artist whos success is based on the quality of their music and talent "peaked". Because with greater hits and more promo,maybe he couldve done more. So its not like he stopped making hits,or stop getting the same promo because of it. The quality was the same as usual on The Bcoming,so there was no need for a decline.

 

[International Playa]

Beans ruined his own career, he was still in the streets getting in trouble instead of focusing on his career.

Jayz tried to help Beans transition to focus on music, but it was too late Jay distanced himself & joined the Beyonce business machine to grow his career internationally

Like brehs above said, NY rap died. 2003/2004 the South started dominating the hip hop industry.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Truth is, Dame always stuck with Beans.

After Beans got locked, Jay had people in his ear telling him to not stand to close to Mack. That it would be bad for his image. So when the court asked if he could vouch for Beans, and back him so they could release him, he said in court he couldn't do it. So they sent Beans back up. Beans never looked at Jay the same way again, after that.

 

[vdfebduderocks]

Beanie Sigel would've been irrelevant had he stuck around with Dame Dash instead of Jay.

Also - Beanie - like many others - did not have that unlimited Roc-A-Fella budget like they used to because the industry changed. No one knew what to do. 2006 was a light year rap-wise, if I recollect. Nelly Furtado/Justin Timberlake/Timbaland took over all the airwaves. Kanye was still thriving off the Late Registration tours. Ross just dropped. By 2007, everyone had to recalibrate. Sigel gave one final shot, but it was too late.

 

[ReasonableMatic]

Beans shouldn’t have signed back with Jay…

He should have went independent at least.
The Solution didn’t seem like a good album coming 2 years later the release of B. Coming.


Nikka should have been down South

he wouldn’t have done any better anywhere else

Both the B. Coming and Solution almost sniffed Gold…


Beans was still killing features. I can imagine him being on the DJ Drama album from 2007.

 

[Canada Goose]

2006 was a light year rap-wise, if I recollect. Nelly Furtado/Justin Timberlake/Timbaland took over all the airwaves. Kanye was still thriving off the Late Registration tours. Ross just dropped. By 2007, everyone had to recalibrate. Sigel gave one final shot, but it was too late.

T.I ran 2006 when it came to Hip Hop

 

[ajnapoleon]

Beans ruined his own career, he was still in the streets getting in trouble instead of focusing on his career.

Jayz tried to help Beans transition to focus on music, but it was too late Jay distanced himself & joined the Beyonce business machine to grow his career internationally

Like brehs above said, NY rap died. 2003/2004 the South started dominating the hip hop industry.

I think around that time Jay-Z the rapper was done

The going to the club

Dealing with a bunch of woman

Was gone he wanted to settle down


But the crew wanted to continue with the fukkery times


Which the crew didn’t see coming

 

[spliz]

Beans shouldn’t have signed back with Jay…

He should have went independent at least.
The Solution didn’t seem like a good album coming 2 years later the release of B. Coming.


Nikka should have been down South

The B Coming was pure fire.

 

[Phantom Dreamer]

no one bringing up the part where Beans says Jay would always drop an album whenever he (Beans) dropped, and wouldn't give Beans album time to breathe?

or the rumor that Beans doesn't want to believe-- but is absolutely believable-- that the powers that be didn't want anyone to surpass Jay?


edit: my bad, wrong video. i was thinking about this:

 

[re'up]

Think the only time Sigel and Jay dropped within 90 days of each other was The Solution and American Gangster