Bernie and the Black Vote

[Tate]

This basically. Faith or no faith. AL Sharpton wasn't going to help Bernie, as we know damned well he's been irrelevant to us for 16 years . What he would've done was a quid pro quo, and Bernie's not about that life, which is why nearly every senator endorsed Hillary.

Bernie is about to get into the Rust belt, and we'll see if Hillary's generalities, when she also flip flopped on TPP after her husband made himself responsible for NAFTA, will help her there. I say Bernie starts getting his groove on starting March 8th in Michigan, because those fukkers are tired of both incompent, establishment identity politics, and privatization.

Sanders can maybe win without southern blacks, he cannot even remain viable without winning mid west, working class blacks.

 

[MrSinnister]

Sanders can maybe win without southern blacks, he cannot even remain viable without winning mid west, working class blacks.

There are not that many outside of Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin. I have family there that are astute, and were damaged by the auto industry. I really don't see Sanders having a problem there. His main next problem is likely FL.

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

But the faith part is really interesting. I have no problem with any religious affiliation ( I'm Cathloic). But Hillary social polices are identical to Bernie Sanders.

1) Both Pro gay marriage
2) Both believe in a women right to choose
3) Both advocate a separation of church and state.

* Actually Hillary Clinton has said she looks up to Margaret Sander ( Creator of Planned Parenthood).

That's why this is puzzling.

 

[acri1]

To be honest I think it's mostly just name recognition and fond memories of the 90s when Bill Clinton was president. Combined with the fact that older black women vote at a much higher rate than everyone else in the black community.

All the other stuff is overcomplicating things.

 

[Gusto]

A lot of black voters are essentially conservative "evangelicals" who vote Democrat because the Republicans are overtly racist. A Hillary Clinton is appealing to that demographic in the same way Republicans are appealing to conservative evangelical whites. Liberals are now treating black evangelicals with the same scorn they treat white evangelicals -- it wasn't an issue before because liberals and black evangelicals were mostly behind the same candidate. Anyways, the scorn is somewhat deserved, because it is absolutely true that most conservative evangelicals vote against their interest, and more true than ever now that blacks have joined the trend.

The black left is a very small demographic, unfortunately

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

But the faith part is really interesting. I have no problem with any religious affiliation ( I'm Cathloic). But Hillary social polices are identical to Bernie Sanders.

1) Both Pro gay marriage
2) Both believe in a women right to choose
3) Both advocate a separation of church and state.

* Actually Hillary Clinton has said she looks up to Margaret Sander ( Creator of Planned Parenthood).

That's why this is puzzling.

All those things are anti-religious which is why I don't respect the church. Margaret Sander!? The same woman who went and educated the nazis on exterminating Jews while disliking black people. Oh the irony. Black democrat is actually an oxymoron.

 

[Tate]

There are not that many outside of Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin. I have family there that are astute, and were damaged by the auto industry. I really don't see Sanders having a problem there. His main next problem is likely FL.

I really hope he plays better there. Florida hopefully he can get some support from Greyson's political infrastructure.

But the faith part is really interesting. I have no problem with any religious affiliation ( I'm Cathloic). But Hillary social polices are identical to Bernie Sanders.

1) Both Pro gay marriage
2) Both believe in a women right to choose
3) Both advocate a separation of church and state.

* Actually Hillary Clinton has said she looks up to Margaret Sander ( Creator of Planned Parenthood).

That's why this is puzzling.

I think it's a communication and connections thing first and foremost. Clinton knows how to talk to church folk and black folk and southern ppl, sanders probably doesn't.

To be honest I think it's mostly just name recognition and fond memories of the 90s when Bill Clinton was president. Combined with the fact that older black women vote at a much higher rate than everyone else in the black community.

All the other stuff is overcomplicating things.

Carl Beijer: Black voters and the 2016 primaries, Part 1: Name recognition This piece argues the main problem is name recognition statistically.

I think that goes back to the democratic south being a lazy place politically. No organized labor, little in the way of environmental activist and lgbt groups. Hopefully BLM and OWS can change that.

 

[151_Pr00f]

To be honest I think it's mostly just name recognition and fond memories of the 90s when Bill Clinton was president. Combined with the fact that older black women vote at a much higher rate than everyone else in the black community.

All the other stuff is overcomplicating things.

This in addition to black folk not really grasping just how bad income inequality has gotten in recent years. I'm working class living in SC and alot of the black people I communicate with on my job have no sense of class consciousness. I think people here have been comfortable with getting by for so long that his message doesn't really resonate with them.

 

[tmonster]

From my observation, blacks aren't very informed voters.

American voters aren't informed nor are trained to peal the layers of the coded political lexicon, but worst of all they have no political or cultural memory except that which is fed to them by the power structure. I tend to be more critical of the black voter because he/she, being a de facto second class citizen, has more impetus to stay skeptical, informed, critical and politically vigilant.

 

[tmonster]

Carl Beijer: Black voters and the 2016 primaries, Part 1: Name recognition This piece argues the main problem is name recognition statistically.

that's just a secondary problem of being intellectually lazy

 

[Tate]

This in addition to black folk not really grasping just how bad income inequality has gotten in recent years. I'm working class living in SC and alot of the black people I communicate with on my job have no sense of class consciousness. I think people here have been comfortable with getting by for so long that his message doesn't really resonate with them.

This is an overlooked possibility too. White outlook on America has gotten much more pessimistic over the last 30 years whereas black outlook has remained pretty stagnant, despite the downs of mass incarceration and 2008.

Maybe black folk are just too numb to this

 

[88m3]

At what point do Bernie stans realize they're belittling the people they're trying to garner votes from?


Also incase any of you forgot this isn't an election forum and spamming the entire first page about your idle is annoying.

@rapbeats @Swavy Karl Marx

 

[LurkMoar]

its looking like r/politics in HL these days

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

At what point do Bernie stans realize they're belittling the people they're trying to garner votes from?


Also incase any of you forgot this isn't an election forum and spamming the entire first page about your idle is annoying.

@rapbeats @Swavy Karl Marx

Then put us on ignore and call it a day. It's Election season what do you expect? Also it gives a great insight to LEARN about ideologies and issues.

 

[MrSinnister]

American voters aren't informed nor are trained to peal the layers of the coded political lexicon, but worst of all they have no political or cultural memory except that which is fed to them by the power structure. I tend to be more critical of the black voter because he/she, being a de facto second class citizen, has more impetus to stay skeptical, informed, critical and politically vigilant.

This is all I'm saying right here. So I hate when people give themselves passes because "White people do it too". Well, they have almost an unlimited tolerance for each other's fukk ups compared to ours. They have safety nets, that they blatantly tell you they intend to be the only ones using and you're using too much.

They constantly rig the rules to enrich themselves over minorities, even to this day. But yet, we destroy the people we most need, or set a pathology of using each other, instead of using our minds to beat the game at their level. It's not like we're in any way handicapped, we choose to let others win for us and let us in, others be damned. We get some smart brothers, and hate them to the point they want to work for the other side, because they're tired of people with inferiority complexes needing to tear them down.

But we worship people that don't need us, when we have the tools to get parity with the rest of this country in our own.