Bernie Sanders Parrots the NRA

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Hey op, this is for you since you brought it up:
fukk this cac :camby:
Here's what this CAC did:

You see this photo? a Little background on this photo. This was taken before any of the current fanfare, Bernie was the only congressman who stood w/ Black caucus against Voter caging.

So heres the important thing to understand, if you pick up the phone and invite someone to join you for a cause worth fighting for, a lot of the times he shows up. Now the question I have for you is, you see any other white congressman there in this photo? No, you dont.

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He knew what was important even then. That wasn't even his base coming from Vermont and he showed up because he knew it was the ethical thing to do. I differ w/ Sanders on Israel/Palestine & some of the particulars w/ Gun Legislation. But there's a reason why the media won't show you this or talk about this. Because it scares the shyt out of people that are authentic and stay w/ their convictions.

What does this have to do with Bernie Sanders? At the time of the elections, the black congressional caucus was aware of the voter suppression shenanigans going on in Florida, and they tried to gain support among their colleagues to bring attention to the debacle. The only white congressional member who supported and worked with them was Bernie Sanders.

That's why he has such a movement behind him. That's why you see a crowd of thousands outside waiting for him to speak, couldn't get in. SO what does Bernz do? He addresses the crowd outside who waited for him all this time while 20 thousand + of people were in that auditorium who got to see him. So...the crowd got their own mini rally after the 26,000, that's why people like him.


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All this at 75... :banderas: He talks that shyt but when the people say Bernz we need you, he shows up like a Boss. :win:
 

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Vermont is a different kind of beast. They are very liberal politically: gay agenda, recreational drug use, organic salads and fresh cheese... but when it comes to the right to bear arms, they are very pro-gun-ownership.
 

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Hey op, this is for you since you brought it up:

Here's what this CAC did:

You see this photo? a Little background on this photo. This was taken before any of the current fanfare, Bernie was the only congressman who stood w/ Black caucus against Voter caging.

So heres the important thing to understand, if you pick up the phone and invite someone to join you for a cause worth fighting for, a lot of the times he shows up. Now the question I have for you is, you see any other white congressman there in this photo? No, you dont.

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He knew what was important even then. That wasn't even his base coming from Vermont and he showed up because he knew it was the ethical thing to do. I differ w/ Sanders on Israel/Palestine & some of the particulars w/ Gun Legislation. But there's a reason why the media won't show you this or talk about this. Because it scares the shyt out of people that are authentic and stay w/ their convictions.



That's why he has such a movement behind him. That's why you see a crowd of thousands outside waiting for him to speak, couldn't get in. SO what does Bernz do? He addresses the crowd outside who waited for him all this time while 20 thousand + of people were in that auditorium who got to see him. So...the crowd got their own mini rally after the 26,000, that's why people like him.


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All this at 75... :banderas: He talks that shyt but when the people say Bernz we need you, he shows up like a Boss. :win:
thats politics as usual, it falls in line with his grassroots campaign

tha fact that he's pro-guns is a direct contradiciton to his liberal policies, and shows he's not tha man who he says he is, unless he CHANGES his stance on guns, then i'm joining team Hillary, sorry, we need somebody who can get things done, not some weirdo with a questionable past





*i don't vote by tha way :troll:
 

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being relatively pro gun isnt really going to hurt bernie. it's to the point now where the victims of mass shootings are actually vocally in favor of guns when asked. just yesterday i saw the brother of a girl who got shot in oregon get all incredulous when anderson cooper asked him what he would tell obama. the dude and his mom went into some kind of rambling anti gun control spiel.

most liberal americans such as myself probably tacitly support gun laws in theory, but dont really believe anything can actually be done so it's not really a deal breaking issue for a candidate. im more interested in spending political capital to fix the economy, protecting the environment, and reducing the prison population :yeshrug:
 

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being relatively pro gun isnt really going to hurt bernie. it's to the point now where the victims of mass shootings are actually vocally in favor of guns when asked. just yesterday i saw the brother of a girl who got shot in oregon get all incredulous when anderson cooper asked him what he would tell obama. the dude and his mom went into some kind of rambling anti gun control spiel.

most liberal americans such as myself probably tacitly support gun laws in theory, but dont really believe anything can actually be done so it's not really a deal breaking issue for a candidate. im more interested in spending political capital to fix the economy, protecting the environment, and reducing the prison population :yeshrug:

One of the really f'd up for profit prisons has the contract on some of their jails/prisons in VT. Only came across it by chance wish someone would bring it up.
 

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Hey op, this is for you since you brought it up:

You're surprised someone called him a CAC over this? They called him a CAC for not publicly making a statement on police violence too.

The thread is to inform and show folks that every politician has views that you may disagree with. Prior to this thread, nobody knew that Bernie was pro gun.

I'm not here because I have an agenda. I'm here because I thought it was an interesting piece of unknown information.
 

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“I come from a state that has virtually no gun control, but the people of my state understand—pretty clearly—that guns in Vermont are not the same as guns in Chicago or guns in Los Angeles. In our state, guns are used for hunting. In Chicago, they’re used for kids in gangs killing other kids or people shooting police officers, shooting down innocent people.”
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I imagine if a statement similar to this one was uttered by a Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz that people would be pretty pissed.
If Hillary Clinton said it there would be heavily trafficked posts in Higher Learning, The Root and The Locker Room going off about it.
That is a fukking insanely tone deaf statement for anyone to make let alone the new hero of obnoxious progressives everywhere.
 

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I imagine if a statement similar to this one was uttered by a Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz that people would be pretty pissed.
If Hillary Clinton said it there would be heavily trafficked posts in Higher Learning, The Root and The Locker Room going off about it.
That is a fukking insanely tone deaf statement for anyone to make let alone the new hero of obnoxious progressives everywhere.
He's basically saying there's no black/brown people in his state, so there's no need for gun control. :scust3h:
 

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Will Bernie Sanders’ gun rights record help Hillary Clinton?

Bernie Sanders is to the left of the Democratic field on absolutely everything, except for guns. And when it comes to guns, he’s more moderate. In the ’90s, he voted against the Brady Bill. In 2005, he voted for a bill that became law that shields gun manufacturers from lawsuits.

Hillary Clinton is trying to make a big issue out of this. One of her proposals is to repeal that law that Bernie Sanders voted for and she voted against. I think that Clinton and her supporters see this as an opportunity, and also Martin O’Malley, the Maryland governor, sees it, too, to show differences and, for once, show that Bernie Sanders is not the purest candidate on the left on at least one topic.

Yes, and it also speaks to the demographics of the issue of guns.

If you look — and this is Gallup who did this study. You look at the kinds of people who own guns in this country, they’re overwhelmingly white, many of them are Southern, they’re male. People who do not own guns or the lowest rate of gun ownership, minorities and single women.

If you want to understand the politics of the gun debate, who speaks to overwhelmingly white Southerners? Republicans. And for Bernie Sanders, he lives in an overwhelmingly white state, older state of Vermont. This is an issue that plays very differently in Vermont than it does in Brooklyn.
 

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/06/us/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-gun-control.html?_r=0

In the aftermath of the massacre at an elementary school in Connecticut, Mr. Sandersvoiced support for new gun control measures, but also noted that the rights of law-abiding gun owners “must be protected.”

In fact, Mr. Sanders sounded downright skeptical of the push for tighter new laws.

“If you passed the strongest gun control legislation tomorrow, I don’t think it will have a profound effect on the tragedies we have seen,”he told Seven Days, an alternative weekly in Vermont.

Campaigning in New Hampshire on Sunday, another Democratic rival, former Gov. Martin O’Malley of Maryland, called on Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Sanders to support a series of proposals he had laid out to address gun violence.

And on Monday, Mrs. Clinton detailed a gun control plan, a mix of legislative and executive action that included an expansion of background checks. “How much longer will we just shrug?” Mrs. Clinton asked at a town hall gathering in New Hampshire.

“I think it’s a little bit unfair to call him pro-gun,” said Bertram Johnson, the chairman of the political science department at Middlebury College in Vermont. “I think it would be fairer to say he’s more in line with what the state thinks about this.”

Mr. Sanders’s campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, defended the senator’s record on Monday, saying he has supported banning assault weapons and requiring background checks since he was first elected to Congress in 1990. Mr. Weaver added that Mr. Sanders opposed the Brady Bill because of the waiting period it imposed.

After the Oregon shootings, Mr. Sanders issued a statement calling for a “comprehensive approach” to deter mass killings, including “sensible gun-control legislation which prevents guns from being used by people who should not have them.”

In an interview on MSNBC, he took a pragmatic approach. He said the nation needed to “get beyond the shouting” on the issue of guns and added, “I don’t know that anybody knows what the magic solution is.”

“You can sit there and say, well, I think we should do this and do that,” he said. “But you got a whole lot of states in this country where people want virtually no gun control at all. And if we are going to have some success, we are going to have to start talking to each other.”
 

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Did Bernie Sanders vote against background checks and waiting periods for gun purchases?

As hype around Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders grows, political opponents and media reporters are once again suggesting the socialist Vermont senator is a gun nut.

"One issue your Democratic rivals are starting to hit you with is the fact that you have, in the past, sided with the NRA on some gun issues," CNN’s Jake Tapper said in a July 5 interview with Sanders, alluding to an attack ad paid for by a pro-Martin O’Malley group.

"Bernie Sanders voted against the Brady Bill -- background checks and waiting periods," said the attack, which first aired June 25. "Bernie Sanders is no progressive when it comes to guns."

Sanders’ record on guns has been the subject of liberal ire ("Bernie Sanders, gun nut") as well as conservative glee ("Sorry liberals, Bernie Sanders is a gun nut"). So we wanted to take a look at his vote on the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, a landmark piece of gun control legislation.

The Brady Act mandated that everyone who wanted to buy a handgun had to wait five days while local law enforcement ran criminal background checks. (After 1998, the firearm dealers became responsible for conducting the checks.)

But before Brady became law, it underwent many transformations. Sanders, elected to the House of Representatives in 1990, voted on it numerous times, virtually almost always in opposition:

• In May 1991, Sanders voted against a version that mandated a seven-day waiting period for background checks, but the bill passed in the House.

• The Senate decreased the waiting period to five days and the bill returned to the House. In Nov. 1991, Sanders voted against that version. Though it passed in the House, the Senate didn’t muster enough votes. The Brady bill and its gun control stance remained in limbo during 1992.

• After some back and forth, a version of the bill resurfaced that reinstated the five day waiting period. In November 1993, Sanders voted against that version but for an amendment imposing an instant background check instead (seen by some as pointless, as the technology for instant checks didn’t exist at the time).

• He also voted against an amendment that would have ended state waiting periods, and for an amendment giving those denied a gun the right to know why.

• The final compromise version of the Brady bill -- an interim five-day waiting period while installing an instant background check system -- was passed and signed into law on Nov. 30, 1993. Sanders voted against it.

According to Sanders' campaign manager Jeff Weaver, Sanders’ reason for opposing the Brady bill was two-fold. First, he believed implementing a national waiting period was federal overreach. And second, he was doing his job.

"He wasn't opposed to states having (waiting periods) if they wanted to. The Republicans wanted to repeal waiting periods in states that had them, and Bernie voted that down," Weaver said. "He said he would be against waiting periods, and he kept his word to the people of Vermont."

In April 1991, Sanders’ then-chief of staff Anthony Pollina echoed the idea that Sanders was simply representing the will of his constituents.

"Bernie’s response is that he doesn’t just represent liberals and progressives. He was sent to Washington to present all of Vermont," Pollina said. "It’s not inappropriate for a congressman to support a majority position, particularly on something Vermonters have been very clear about."

The Green Mountain State, though left-leaning, has a high gun ownership rate and lax gun control laws (as well as a low homicide rate). That and Sanders’ own personal views are reflected in his overall voting record, experts told us.

"As a rural state with a large number of hunters and other gun owners, Vermont has been less liberal on guns than on most other issues, historically," explained Bertram Johnson, a professor of political science at Middlebury College in Vermont. "He seems to support more regulation of guns than the U.S. presently has, but he recognizes his constituents’ preferences so does not make gun control a priority."

"I think he has disappointed many progressives in Vermont with his gun positions, which sort of walk a middle line – and angering both sides through the years," said Chris Graff, the former Vermont Associated Press bureau chief. "Gun control is a tough issue in Vermont for all politicians."

Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, whose 2004 presidential bid is often compared to Sanders’ 2016 run, received high marks from the National Rifle Association. Vermont Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy also voted against the Brady bill. For his part, Sanders has voted to tighten gun control about half the time, and to protect Second Amendment rights the other half.

Here are his votes on key gun bills in his 25 years in Congress (bold reflects a pro-gun control position):

Year

Legislation

Sanders’ Vote

Result

1993

Imposes a five-day waiting period and background checks on firearm purchases, part of the Brady Bill

Nay

Passed

1993

Imposes instant background checks instead for firearm purchases, part of an amendment to Brady Bill

Yea

Passed

1993

Imposes an interim five-day waiting period while while waiting to put a instant background check system in place, part of Brady Bill conference report

Nay

Passed

1994

Bans semi-automatic assault weapons

Yea

Passed

1996

Repeals the semi-automatic weapons ban

Nay

Passed

1998

Increases minimum sentencing for gun crimes

Yea

Passed

1999

Creates "instant check registrants" and narrowly defines "gun shows," part of the Mandatory Gun Show Background Check Act

Nay

Failed

1999

Imposes three day waiting period for guns purchased at gun shows, part of an amendment to the Gun Show Act

Yea

Failed

2002

Allows pilots and flight personnel to carry firearms in the cockpit

Yea

Passed

2003

Prohibits lawsuits against firearm makers for unlawful misuse of a firearm

Yea

Passed

2005

Prohibits lawsuits against firearm makers for unlawful misuse of a firearm

Yea

Passed

2006

Prohibits funds from being used to enforcetrigger locks on guns

Nay

Passed

2006

Increases the burden of proof for the AFT to penalize law-breaking gun dealers, as part of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms reform bill

Yea

Passed

2007

Prohibits foreign aid funding restrictions on U.S. gun ownership, as an amendment to the Consolidated Appropriations Act 2008

Yea

Passed

2008

Prevents the use of funds for anti-gun programs as anamendment to the Indian Health Care Improvement Act

Yea

Passed

2009

Gives the District of Columbia seats in the House of Representatives and repeals the district’s ban on semi-automatic weapons

Yea

Passed

2009

Allows the use of firearms in National Parks

Yea

Passed

2009

Allows concealed and carry across state lines

Nay

Failed

2009

Allows firearms in checked baggage on Amtrak trains, as an amendment to the congressional budget

Yea

Passed

2009

Prohibits higher insurance premiums for gun owners, as part of an amendment to the Affordable Care Act

Yea

Passed

2013

Prevents the U.S. from entering the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty, as an amendment to the congressional budget

Nay

Passed

2013

Allows concealed and carry across state lines in states where the practice is not prohibited

Nay

Failed

2013

Lists all people prohibited buying a firearm in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System

Yea

Failed

2013

Bans high-capacity ammunition magazinescarrying more than 10 rounds

Yea

Failed

2013

Bans assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines

Yea

Failed

Sanders’ moderate stance is noted by firearm enthusiasts and gun control advocates alike. Former NRA research coordinator Paul Blackman says the group doesn’t consider Sanders "an anti-gunner," and he’s received mixed marks from NRA ranging from a C- to F. Brady Campaign president Dan Gross says Sanders has shown suppleness and evolution since those first Brady votes and added he isn’t a "gun lobby lapdog."

Experts agreed that on guns, Sanders’ views are to the right of his Democratic rivals.

"When it comes to guns, he’s not Ted Cruz, but he believes federal policy should be less intrusive than Martin O’Malley or Hillary Clinton," said Eric Davis, who studies Vermont politics at Middlebury College. "Guns are not an important issue for him, because they don’t fit into the class-based framework that Bernie looks at politics through."
 

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Guns are such a marginal issue on the left. This is the equivalent of Scott Walker making his grand appeal to the presidency on union busting.

There's a reason despite a relatively consistent majority of voters supporting enhanced gun control it never passes, enthusiasm gap. There's not enough real grassroots support for gun control to battle the apathy that the majority of voters feel towards it.

And I fail to see the big gap between sanders and the democratic mainstream on guns. He wants and has voted for the only gun control measures that have any hope of ever passing even a democrat controlled congress. Where's the space to the "left" of increased background checks, closing the gun-show loophole, and a reinstated assault weapons ban, but short of physically taking guns away?
 

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Now that the gun fight is headed towards good ol' Bern, its a "marginal issue"? :sas1:
Or let me guess it was always a "marginal issue"? :sas2:



 
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