Im a fan of these former vets who are stepping up. I probably don't agree with a lot of their politics, but democrats should be scouring the country for these people. Or at least keeping their video people on board. Once it doesn't produce the goods and Republicans drive this country further into the ground maybe they'll realize they should stop sucking so much corporate dikk
Bernie Sanders Unveils his Medicare for All Plan
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The whole point of Conyers and Bernie in introducing these bills is to gather a movement over a very popular program i.e. Medicare.
And the country is going to have to make a decision. Should we continue to support a market failure i.e. health insurance markets or overhaul it with tax increases on the richest households to cover everyone. Which will in the long run end up saving money. Businesses will have much more freedom. The richest can still use private insurance if they want.
Someone like Manchin... who's state is one of the poorest with people already benefitting from expanded Medicaid could stand to prosper more under this plan.
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People vote against their own interests all the time. But the paradox of Sanders message is that while he also rails against coastal elites, they are also the only ones receptive to his message. All dumb gophers in the South, Great Plains and parts of the Midwest are gonna hear is tax increase and socialism despite their states being the ones most in need of a more generous safety net.
People vote against their own interests all the time. But the paradox of Sanders message is that while he also rails against coastal elites, they are also the only ones receptive to his message. All dumb gophers in the South, Great Plains and parts of the Midwest are gonna hear is tax increase and socialism despite their states being the ones most in need of a more generous safety net.
Of course, but these bills in the House and Senate now are going to be part of a messaging campaign. Bernie's using some of the money for his 2018 Senate campaign to make a convincing argument. Will it work? I think it'll make inroads with those very people.
Ben Jealous is running for Governor of MD in the Dem primary. He was in the Eastern Shore of Maryland last week and Turmp voters came up to him. One owns a car dealership and has to agonize over paying the premiums for his employees and every year has to decide how much more will he have to ask his employees to cover. He's gravitating to voting for Jealous because he's advocating for a Medicare for all type program in the state of Maryland itself.
There's definitely some cross appeal with Republican base voters who are also increasingly polling to want more government provided healthcare... they may not say it that way but Medicare is popular with them too.
Fundamentally you have to explain to and then convince the general public how the US government can handle healthcare when the only example most people visibly see or hear about is the VA.
Thats why this has a snowballs chance in hell, why the dnc shut him down.
Taxing dividends and Capital Gains.
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Still, single payer is the way to go, but America is conditioned to consider it socialism. I expect this perfectly reasonable recommendation to be ripped to shreds
Pirius Black
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That will be the counter argument I think. VA is 100% government run health care (its also almost always been a shyt show) and interestingly enough, Bernie chaired a VA reform commission in 2013. It'll come down to messaging. If the GOP were smart, they'd have vets plastered all over tv slamming the VA and saying this is what the Dems want to give to you.
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Va are government ran hospitals which is different than having a health insurance provider and infrastructure to manage the doctor patient transaction that would happen under Medicare for all system. Medicare is very popular with those who use it and an example of a well ran healthcare program ran by the government. The left will just need to focus on keeping he discussion on Medicare.
We all know the left in this country sucks at having a centralized and organized message. So unfortunately, despite what I said here, you're right because this is the drum that the right will beat consistently even if it's not an analogous situation and unfortunately, I don't expect the left to convincingly push back like they didn't during the ACA debate.
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How about Medicare?
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That's from when immigrants would cross the Rio Grand in the early 20th centuryIs that were wetbacks comes from?
For Senior citizens and many rely on some level of supplemental insurance in order to survive the deductibles. It doesn't have a very great reputation either tbh.
Medicare has an above average reputation. A lot of people have an elderly relative or disabled relative on Medicare. Pushing Medicare for All is visually better than using the term single payer.
This was before the 50th anniversary two years ago:
These two health programs more popular than ACA
seniors generally need it. Many of them don't have another option.Medicare has an above average reputation. A lot of people have an elderly relative or disabled relative on Medicare. Pushing Medicare for All is visually better than using the term single payer.
This was before the 50th anniversary two years ago:
These two health programs more popular than ACA
It would need major overhaul of you were to expand it and would receive the same criticisms you see with Medicaid if it didn't only cover seniors.