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Erick Sermon of EPMD
Best Producer+ Rapper (No Casper)
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Art Barr
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Dj quik and dilla did not rhyme well enough or have much high talented emcee moments to be in the running.
Your choice of black milk is regiobal bias. That i have to ask. What makes black milk.
a heavier choice over one man army?
Art Barr
Art Barr
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Pmd was higher quality emcee.
Incomparison to sermon.
before the sonic landscape change.
to make them both fall off skillwise as emcees.
Both pmd and sermon have otherwordly credits.
Such as before time passed pmd produced.
what used to be the third best battle record ever for mc lyte.
in slave to the rhythm.
Yet erick sermon has the best producer credits. For the style of beats.
others are given credit erroneously for. Way before those producers in timeline would emerge.
namely pete rock.
or need a mulligan to gain props for.
namely,...raheem before the cultural acceptance to become the rza.
Case in point the best 808 production arguably is get off the bandwagon. In an era where 808 became taboo after bdp-ism's took over. rza is given credit for production.
originally on the second epmd album. That clearly pre-date those late bandwagon rap pundits and toys. who were gateway fans from the prison industrial economy era of rap and have no history in hiphop before they had a viacom outlet bought bet in their home.
As well as the original posse cut. That created how you got a record deal over night via skills on wax. With k solo in knick knack patry whack.
Sermon had the best vibe smooth shyt beat originally ever on, listen to my demo.
Yet pmd was just clearly superior on the mic to erick. Although i adore old erick sermon.
before he became trash over night on the mic.
after the tone arm lifted on the promo to hittin switches.
Art Barr
being honest....if we are talking an honest fair mix of the two
QTIP
Kanye
Scarface
Quik
J cole
Eminem
should prolly be your top 6 or so you can say guys like erik sermon ect but they arnt prolific enough to be in this convo long term
dark horse big krit...amazing catalouge both sides
QTIP
Kanye
Scarface
Quik
J cole
Eminem
should prolly be your top 6 or so you can say guys like erik sermon ect but they arnt prolific enough to be in this convo long term
dark horse big krit...amazing catalouge both sides
Art Barr
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Nas
check the credits
No placements besides personalized production tho.
I give nas credit as a producer tho.
Yet,...juju was already juju on tge mic. Before nas would be aligned with the same crews Juju was already a head on the hydra for in timeline.
Both had issues with sonic landscape changes at times in their career on the mic tho.
Where nas ramped above and beyond juju. Plus nas is a solo artist from jump. So nas has three times the higher output per song.
than juju would have per song.
Which js why i asked people to distinguish between. Producer turned emcee from emcee turned producer.
As fsr as emcee turned producer and producing his own opus. I give nas credit for that. As that is why you go behind the boards ansd nas was highly successful.
like pop radio successful for that.
on his debut production credit.
Just like eminem was highly successful doing the same.
Finesse is better as the emcee turned producer as i stated earlier. As finesse actually found the best talent damn near in rap history. As well as made the pre-req gangsta rap placement.
on the old media publication goat dre's comeback lp.
Art Barr
Parker lewis : mental note
I am the person who said triple six would become the goat producers in rap history. Which media outlets and fake off shoots of hiphopinfinity fard-alikes would try to steal.
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yeahI know, I was being unserious lol ...classic song and beat tho
Art Barr
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You gotta specify kanye because kanye is a flaug on the mic and always had a writer in rhyme fest. Whereas emcee wise rhymefest is the second best battle emcee in rap history grassroots.
Like literally rhymefest debuted jesus walks after i freestyled at the metro. At the atmosphere show in 2000.
So literally i finished spitting during rhe atmosphere and friends portion of the show. Then you hear. The enfamous..
Bom
Bom
Bom
Ba bam
Bom
Before jesus walks was jesus walks.
Sohh kanye never had any props in the culture before that.
Sohh please remove kanye.
Kanye is literally the guy he spewed blasphemy on whpk. It is just people ignored chicago rap history.
To keep us in the old industry black ball place.
Kanye literally been sharking and doing sellout c00n shyt against the culture. Back when dem dare secret wars were started.
That literally i still don't know wtf is/was going on. When i would like dem dare.
to go back to being dem dare.
When i think that is not possible moving forward.
in the way i remember it.
from the outside looking in.
Art Barr
Art Barr
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I fukking hate listening to rza rap
he do got classic moments tho an verses
Same.
Rza has rhis freestyle tho.
That blows my mind.
Then has other moments and i reference his i am always offkey quote. As to why rza irks me.
from time to time on the mic.
I think the problem producer heavy rappers have is.
Trying to write and produce in the same sitting. When it will not work like that.
Art Barr
i know you hate kanye
but not putting him in this covo top 3 is nuts hate aside...hes written enough of his own shyt to be there
Art Barr
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I valued your post and always value y'all posts tho.
Glad you mentioned one mic.
As people on here try to act liie nas never dominated pop radio. When one mic dominated pop radio and imo is his biggest pop submission.
I would be interested to ask nas.
If one mic was his highest payout publishing wise on one mic. That one mic was on loop.
on any pop station nationwide. regardless of race or genre in that time.
Art Barr
Art Barr
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We don't know wtf kanye wrote.
We don't know wtf kanye produced after grav.
The dem dare secret war could be about kanye biting.
all the way back before boogs.
To the grav era.
As i feel it is some secret wars level heat between tone and ye.
Ye and reg.
Leading to kalif.
Sohh,...
All that shyt mired in some flaug'n. That you not supposed to have nobody writing or producing for you. Plus kanye been said live in whpk in sheer defiant blasphemy. That ye was gon sellout and be kingof jiggy like puff. By any sellout means necessary. So naw.
Not goin.
That nikka been acting like boog's father.
Boog's father = king supreme wack a$$hole
on some a$$hole shyt since i first encountered ye and kermit. When we was kids.
Him and kermit was never cool.
Boog's literally always felt like a prisoner. Even when we was shawty's.
I still wonder.
where ed is in all this?
Crew wise ed was the leader of that euphonics connection. That i wonder just what happened to ed in all this. As ed was the culturally true guy of rhe euphonics chamber.
Somewhere in that coodie vid era. Kanye moved into a rego guy who had a toy background thing.
Even ye trying to diss ibn is some wild shyt. As ibn is definitely higher in cultural regard than ye grassroots too.
I went to school with ibn too.
Ibn was not dem dare level on gear.
Ibn was not all city tho.
Ibn was the pro focused barber. who had bread from being a barber as a kid/teen early.
Ibn homie was chewie.
before chewie became gd.
when chewie turned his back on hiphop in 1993.
All kanye did was make himself food.
to be taken advantage of.
It just worked out in his favor.
Which always happens for rhe biggest sellout in this.
Yet the real is the real.
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