Best Wrestler Alive Tourney 1st Round --- Kenny Omega vs. Samoa Joe

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  1. Kenny Omega

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  2. Samoa Joe

    65.2%
  1. 2 Cold Taurus

    2 Cold Taurus Cool, Calm & Collected Supporter

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    Cast your vote for the best wrestler alive using the following metrics

    Ring work (10)
    Mic work/promos (10)
    Personality/gimmicks (10)
    Overall rating (10)
    Number of matches you like from each person

    The poll closes after 7 days and if there's a tie the poll extends for an additional 24 hours

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    Kenny Omega
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    Championships and accomplishments

    4 Front Wrestling
    4FW Junior Heavyweight Championship (1 time)​

    All Elite Wrestling
    AEW World Tag Team Championship (1 time, Current) with Adam Page

    All Japan Pro Wrestling
    AJPW World Junior Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

    Asistencia Asesoría y Administración
    AAA World Heavyweight Championship (1 time, Current)

    Canadian Wrestling's Elite
    CWE Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Danny Duggan
    CWE Tag Team Championship Tournament (2010) – with Danny Duggan

    Canadian Wrestling Federation
    CWF Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

    CBS Sports
    Match of the Year (2018) – vs. Kazuchika Okada at NJPW Dominion 6.9

    Dramatic Dream Team
    DDT Extreme Division Championship (1 time)
    DDT KO-D 6-Man Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Gota Ihashi and Kota Ibushi (1), and Daisuke Sasaki and Kota Ibushi (1)
    DDT KO-D Openweight Championship (1 time)
    DDT KO-D Tag Team Championship (3 times) – with Kota Ibushi (2) and Michael Nakazawa (1)
    Nihonkai Six Man Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Mr. #6 and Riho
    King of DDT (2012)
    Best Match Award (2012) vs. Kota Ibushi on August 18

    Japan Indy Grand Prix
    Best Bout Award (2008) vs. Kota Ibushi on August 06
    Best Bout Award (2012) vs. Kota Ibushi on August 18
    Best Bout Award (2014) with Kota Ibushi vs.Konosuke Takeshyta and Tetsuya Endo on September 28

    Jersey All Pro Wrestling
    JAPW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
    JAPW Light Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

    Main Stream Wrestling
    Canadian Unified Junior Heavyweight Championship (3 times)

    National Wrestling Alliance
    NWA Canadian X Championship (1 time)

    New Japan Pro Wrestling
    IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
    IWGP Junior Heavyweight Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Kota Ibushi
    NEVER Openweight Six Man Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Matt Jackson and Nick Jackson
    IWGP Intercontinental Championship (1 time)
    G1 Climax (2016)
    IWGP United States Championship (1 time)
    IWGP Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
    New Japan Pro-Wrestling Best Bout (2016) vs. Tetsuya Naito on August 13
    New Japan Pro-Wrestling Best Bout (2017) vs. Kazuchika Okada on June 11
    New Japan Pro-Wrestling MVP (2017)
    CEO Tag Team Championship (1 time, current) - with Kota Ibushi

    Nikkan Sports
    Match of the Year Award (2016) vs. Tetsuya Naito on August 13
    Match of the Year Award (2017) vs. Kazuchika Okada on January 4
    Match of the Year Award (2018) vs. Kazuchika Okada on June 9
    Best Tag Team Award (2010) with Kota Ibushi

    Premier Championship Wrestling

    PCW Heavyweight Championship (4 times)
    PCW Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Rawskillz (1) and Chris Stevens (1)
    Premier Cup (2005, 2007)
    Best Finishing Move of the Year (2009) Hadouken
    Best Finishing Move of the Year (2010–2011) Croyt's Wrath
    Best Mic Skills (2009–2011)[104]
    Best News of the Year (2009) Omega captures IWGP gold
    Best News of the Year (2010) Omega Becomes Hottest Indy Sensation in the World
    Feud of the Year (2008) vs. Mike Angels
    Feud of the Year (2010) with The Experience vs. Antonio Scorpio Jr.
    Feud of the Year (2011) with The Experience vs. Will Damon
    Funniest Moment of the Year (2008–2009) Omega's Invisible Props
    Funniest Moment of the Year (2011) Omega Forces Chad Tatum to Suck Rope
    Maneuver of the Year (2011) Super Croyt's Wrath with Chris Stevens
    Match of the Year (2002) vs. Mentallo
    Match of the Year (2003) vs. Robby Royce
    Match of the Year (2005) vs. Rawskillz
    Match of the Year (2006) vs. A.J. Styles
    Match of the Year (2008) vs. Mike Angels
    Match of the Year (2010) vs. Davey Richards
    Match of the Year (2011) vs. Antonio Scorpio Jr.
    Most Likely to Make it in 2009
    Most Popular Wrestler of the Year (2003, 2006–2011)
    Most Shocking Moment of the Year (2005) Omega signs WWE contract
    Most Shocking Moment of the Year (2006) Omega returns from WWE to challenge A.J. Styles
    Tag Team of the Year (2011) – with Chris Stevens
    Wrestler of the Year (2003, 2007–2011)

    Pro Wrestling Guerrilla
    PWG World Championship (1 time)
    Battle of Los Angeles (2009)

    Pro Wrestling Illustrated
    PWI ranked him #1 of the top 500 singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 in 2018
    Feud of The Year (2017) vs. Kazuchika Okada
    Match of The Year (2017) vs. Kazuchika Okada at Wrestle Kingdom 11
    Match of The Year (2018) vs. Kazuchika Okada at Dominion 6.9

    Ring of Honor
    Feud of the Year (2018) – vs. Cody

    SoCal Uncensored
    Match of The Year (2017) vs. Tomohiro Ishii (NJPW, July 2)
    Match of The Year (2018) with Kota Ibushi vs. The Young Bucks (NJPW, March 25)

    Sports Illustrated
    Wrestler of the Year (2017)

    Tokyo Sports
    Best Bout Award (2010) with Kota Ibushi vs. Prince Devitt and Ryusuke Taguchi (NJPW, October 11)
    Best Bout Award (2017) vs. Kazuchika Okada (NJPW, January 4)
    Best Bout Award (2018) vs. Kazuchika Okada (NJPW, June 9)
    Technique Award (2016)

    Weekly Pro Wrestling
    Best Bout Award (2010) with Kota Ibushi vs. Prince Devitt and Ryusuke Taguchi (NJPW, October 11)
    Best Bout Award (2016) vs. Tetsuya Naito (NJPW, August 13)
    Best Bout Award (2017) vs. Kazuchika Okada (NJPW, January 4)
    Best Foreigner Award (2016, 2017, 2018)
    Best Tag Team Award (2010) with Kota Ibushi

    Wrestling Observer Newsletter
    5 Star Match (2016) vs. Tetsuya Naito on August 13
    6 Star Match (2017) vs. Kazuchika Okada on January 4th
    6 1/4 Star Match (2017) vs. Kazuchika Okada on June 11
    6 Star Match (2017) vs. Kazuchika Okada on August 12
    5 3/4 Star Match (2017) vs. Tetsuya Naito on August 13
    5 Star Match (2018) vs. Chris Jericho on January 4
    5 Star Match (2018) with Kota Ibushi vs. The Young Bucks on March 25
    7 Star Match (2018) vs. Kazuchika Okada on June 9
    5 Star Match (2018) vs. Tetsuya Naito on July 15
    5 Star Match (2018) vs. Hirooki Goto on July 19
    5 1/2 Star Match (2018) vs. Tomohiro Ishii on August 4
    5 1/2 Star Match (2018) vs. Kota Ibushi on August 11
    5 Star Match (2018) with Kota Ibushi vs. Kazuchika Okada and Tomohiro Ishii on September 30
    5 Star Match (2018) with Kota Ibushi vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi and Will Ospreay on December 15
    5 3/4 Star Match (2019) vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi on January 4
    Best Wrestling Maneuver (2016, 2017, 2018) One-Winged Angel
    Feud of the Year (2017) vs. Kazuchika Okada
    Match of the Year (2017) vs. Kazuchika Okada on January 4
    Match of the Year (2018) vs. Kazuchika Okada on June 9
    Most Outstanding Wrestler of the Year (2018)
    Japanese MVP of the Year (2018)
    Wrestler of the Year (2018)

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    Championships and accomplishments

    Ballpark Brawl
    Natural Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

    Extreme Wrestling Federation
    EWF Xtreme 8 Tournament 2006

    Independent Wrestling Association Mid-South
    Revolution Strong Style Tournament 2004

    NXT
    NXT Championship (2 times)

    Pro Wrestling Illustrated

    PWI ranked him # 4 of the 500 best singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 in 2006
    PWI Feud of the Year (2007) vs. Kurt Angle
    PWI Most Popular Wrestler of the Year (2006)

    Pro Wrestling ZERO1

    NWA Intercontinental Tag Team Championship (1 time; reign not recognized by ZERO1) - with Keiji Sakoda

    Pure Wrestling Association
    PWA Pure Wrestling Championship (1 time)

    Ring of Honor
    ROH World Championship (1 time)
    ROH Pure Championship (1 time)

    Total Nonstop Action Wrestling
    TNA World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
    TNA World Tag Team Championship (2 times) 1 solo and 1 with Magnus
    TNA X Division Championship (5 times)
    TNA Television Championship (1 time)
    King of the Mountain 2008
    Super X Cup winner 2005
    TNA Turkey Bowl 2007
    TNA X Division Championship Tournament (2014)
    TNA Triple Crown Champion (1 time)

    Twin Wrestling Entertainment
    TWE Heavyweight Champion (1 time)

    Ultimate Pro Wrestling
    UPW Heavyweight Champion (1 time)
    UPW No Hold Barred Champion (2 times)

    United Independent Wrestling Alliance
    UIWA Tag Team Champion - (2 times)

    Wrestling Observer Newsletter
    5 Star Match 2004 vs. CM Punk on October 16
    5 Star Match 2005 vs. A.J. Styles and Christopher Daniels at Unbreakable 2005 on September 11
    5 Star Match 2005 vs. Kenta Kobashi at Joe vs. Kobashi on October 1
    WON Best Brawler (2005, 2006)
    WON Match of the Year 2005 vs. Kenta Kobashi at Joe vs. Kobashi on October 1
    WON Most Outstanding Wrestler 2005

    World Wrestling Entertainment
    WWE United States Championship (2 times)

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  2. Ill-Yaz

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    Fuk Joe :why:
     
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    It comes down to which you value more in the end: Kenny's wrestling (outside of the US) vs. Joe's promo and aesthetic.
     
  4. Kidd Dibiase

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    This a tough one
     
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  5. Doctor Doom

    Doctor Doom Rest in peace, Kobe Supporter

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    fukk you OP on some real shyt :pacspit:















    :mjcry:
     
  6. 2 Cold Taurus

    2 Cold Taurus Cool, Calm & Collected Supporter

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    you know how Cokeboy's motto is it ain't supposed to be good?

    well my motto is it ain't supposed to be easy :mjgrin:
     
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    Samoa Joe.

    Better body of main event work. Considerable gap in mic work/presentation/promos (though Devil's Sky is a GREAT theme). Can have a 5-star match without a NJPW talent but I do not know if Joe could get something watchable out of a 9-year old girl.

    Samoan Submission Machine.

    However, Omega is a better wrestler NOW than Joe is. All-time... Joe.
     
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    TheGodling Los Ingobernables de Sala de Cine

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    Samoa Joe. Outside of the hot streak he had with Okada his NJPW work is vastly overrated and he can't cut a promo to save his life.
     
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    Joe helped get me into both ROH and TNA, and had plenty of classics in each, but he also has been all banged up and not to the level he once was for over a decade, even though promo wise I think now he’s better than ever.

    Kenny is similar in that I was already following NJPW by the time his main event run popped off, but he did make me follow them closer than I had been, and I wouldn’t be watching AEW if not in part because of him. He’s not operating at the same level now that he was then, but I think I’m gonna roll with him based off that run at the top of NJPW and how fun it was.
     
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    It’s the cleaner for me dog :manny:
     
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    Close matchup but I went with Kenny. Both are worthy and have potential. Joe deserved a better WWE run with more championships than he's gotten.
     
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    Sorry, I like Omega but he's too animated. I wish he had Joe's moveset but same charisma.
     
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    Sid Justice Thank You Kobe

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    Samoa Joe the complete package, Omega is a nerd who wrestles good, cant cut a promo for shyt, lost all his swag when he left NJPW
     
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    AvadaKadaBreh (RIP MOM 3/20/62-5/28/18) RIP @charmander RIP Kobe

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    Going with Joe. Not saying he ain't good but I still don't undertand the Kenny Omega hype.
     
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    You say this as if Omega is far and away a better wrestler than Joe :mjlol: Omega is obviously a better wrestler in the present day, due to Joe clearly being out of his prime, but complete body of work, Joe is better, and never needed 45 minute matches with 72 signatures and finishers to do it.
     
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