Beyoncé doesn't write her own lyrics and has a great team behind her

[SirBiatch]

Janet Jackson was labeled a performer, a musical act. She wasn't always referred to as an 'artist' and never as a 'Queen' Her fans did not call her the greatest woman alive, the leader of a movement, or tried to put her in any special class. It is pretty clear Beyonce does not exist as a solo pop act in super stardom capacity if it wasn't for Janet Jackson and videos like Rhythm Nation and Scream. Those visual mini movies, with limited resources at the time, are the very foundation for HBO specials for Lemonade.

Yet she was never half as hyped. She didn't have delusional rabid fans that named themselves collectively.....so that's why she didn't get criticized for it.

You'll notice the talented music acts (and their fans) don't have delusional rabid fans who live in hyperbole. It's always the poppy mediocre ones that attract the simple-minded.

From Bey right down to Kanye and Kendrick. They play in this shallow, flimsy music pseudo-deep world all day.

It's a generational thing, Beyonce was seen as a bad bytch & dope popstar that made anthems for little girls & young women in the early-mid 2000's. Then the music industry fell apart (both in terms of units sold & quality) & people got more & more pretentious, top tier pop artists started to become elevated on some over compensating shyt as well as on some pretentious shyt. Imagine how many think pieces 'Survivor' would produce if it dropped in 2016? Bootylicious would not be an empty, fun pop song but a political statement about Black women owning their sexuality and rejecting European beauty standards. Soldier would not be a stupid hood rat anthem with bad message but an anthem for black love in the face of Police brutality. I can't take that shyt serious.

very on point.

we've been living in an era of hyperbole since the mid 2000s. and it just gets more insane every year.

Her R&B style was different i.e. music she sang to was different from the typical R&B mid tempo stuff at that time.

CrimsonTider is a garbage poster. I wouldn't waste time going back and forth with him/her

 

[TrebleMan]

Here's another thing to take into consideration when cats want to talk about having writers.

Look at Janet's album credits, No song on Rhythm Nation had more than three writers: Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis and Janet.
Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Look at Beyonce's credits, some of her songs got 7+ writers and 6+ producers. This has gone on for albums.
Beyoncé (album) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Lemonade (Beyoncé album) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pretty ridiculous to compare them now.

 

[p00rky]

. . criticized for it? No. We all know she's a typical manufactured pop product. The issue is her fans give her too much credit, resulting in a backlash

end thread here. best answer

 

[Standing on business]

Here's another thing to take into consideration when cats want to talk about having writers.

Look at Janet's album credits, No song on Rhythm Nation had more than three writers: Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis and Janet.
Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Look at Beyonce's credits, some of her songs got 7+ writers and 6+ producers. This has gone on for albums.
Beyoncé (album) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Lemonade (Beyoncé album) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pretty ridiculous to compare them now.

That's because it wasn't as tedious as it is now, back then you could use a melody a drum pattern and a few lines from other songs without being sued. These days every single line pattern, melody, phrase has to be given credits or you'll get sued

This is dumb reasoning for them not to be compared

 

[TrebleMan]

That's because it wasn't as tedious as it is now, back then you could use a melody a drum pattern and a few lines from other songs without being sued. These days every single line pattern, melody, phrase has to be given credits or you'll get sued

This is dumb reasoning for them not to be compared

Then how do you explain Ellie Goulding, Lady Gaga and Sia then?

The Fame Monster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Halcyon (album) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1000 Forms of Fear - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Is it surprising that the track that had the most writers on those three albums was featuring Beyonce?

Face it brehs, Beyonce uses more writers than most artists. That's the knock here.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

And she's a great singer and creative director.

With Lemonade, she may not have "wrote" each song or produced them but she still had involvement in the themes of the song and the direction or "vibe" she wanted to go with in the song. She's not credited on every song on the album but some songs she is, which kinda shows that. Her last few albums produced some big singles and catchy songs but I don't know, the music still felt empty and vapid. With Lemonade she actually took risks musically in the songwriting, the production and the different genres of music she incorporated to the body of work. She doesn't have any other album that sounds like this.. elements of calypso, reggae, indie pop, hip hop, soul, R&B, rock. She's never had an album that told a story either. What more do people really want?

The thing is, that most anybody can present an idea/theme/vibe to 50 creators/artists and then come out with something good at the end.

She's a very talented performer/singer/personality, but to call her things like "creative genius" I think you are diminishing all the people that really created the music.

 

[malbaker86]

Janet Jackson was labeled a performer, a musical act. She wasn't always referred to as an 'artist' and never as a 'Queen' Her fans did not call her the greatest woman alive, the leader of a movement, or tried to put her in any special class. It is pretty clear Beyonce does not exist as a solo pop act in super stardom capacity if it wasn't for Janet Jackson and videos like Rhythm Nation and Scream. Those visual mini movies, with limited resources at the time, are the very foundation for HBO specials for Lemonade.

Yet she was never half as hyped. She didn't have delusional rabid fans that named themselves collectively.....so that's why she didn't get criticized for it.

I agree but you are comparing how yimes were in the 80's-90's to the digital and social media era when you speak on how both fans are. Im sure if Janet was makig those songs in THIS day in age that her stanbase would be just as annoying

 

[TrebleMan]

The thing is, that most anybody can present an idea/theme/vibe to 50 creators/artists and then come out with something good at the end.

She's a very talented performer/singer/personality, but to call her things like "creative genius" I think you are diminishing all the people that really created the music.

Exactly. The number of writers and producers speak for themselves. Especially when you consider some hot artists presently don't even use a quarter as many.

shyt, even when they don't hire a full on squad, Beyonce and Rihanna have some their songs fully written by Sia, Justin Timberlake, Pharrell, Miguel and other major artists themselves just for her to sing.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

I agree but you are comparing how yimes were in the 80's-90's to the digital and social media era when you speak on how both fans are. Im sure if Janet was makig those songs in THIS day in age that her stanbase would be just as annoying

Maybe, maybe not. I don't think it would be the same because Janet Jackson didn't make the same style of generic music that is overhyped. She probably wouldn't be a massive star in this era to be honest with you.

People forget Beyonce also put out 'Soldier' and some really horrible, generic, no thought put into it music.

 

[Standing on business]

Michael Jackson had thriller written for him. What's yalls point

 

[NvrCMyNut]

I just listened to Just Blaze on the rap radar podcast say Beyoncé found the sample and came up with the concept for Freedom; she also had a demo of the song she did first, before he made the beat.

I'm no Beyoncé fan but the idea that she has nothing to do with her music is stupid. Yes she has writers but she truly produces her shyt. She's not someone like Rihanna who has nothing to do with the process.

Ye her music has consistently had the same style of houston ratchetness & sassyness from DC days so I do think she has artistic in put it's just that what I think she does is still vapid and not really that commendable artistically. To put it bluntly, I think she's a dumb person who makes dumb music.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Exactly. The number of writers and producers speak for themselves. Especially when you consider some hot artists presently don't even use a quarter as many.

shyt, Beyonce and Rihanna have had some their songs fully written by Sia, Justin Timberlake, Pharrell, Miguel and other major artists themselves just for her to sing.

No POP album post 2013 will have less than 10 writers.. None... Everybody loves the weeknd on this site but I bet that Album had at least 25 writers on it..... Intellectual property law is a real thing...

 

[TrebleMan]

No POP album post 2013 will have less than 10 writers.. None... Everybody loves the weeknd on this site but I bet that Album had at least 25 writers on it..... Intellectual property law is a real thing...

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[Field Marshall Bradley]

The thing is, that most anybody can present an idea/theme/vibe to 50 creators/artists and then come out with something good at the end.

ahh... No they can't

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Only song that got 10+ writers (and producers) here is the one with Kanye

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