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There are Pharoahs and there are Queens, correct? Such as Queen Nefertiti, so when a Queen becomes Ruler of Egypt, does her title change? If it is a unisex title, then it doesn't really matter in terms of this conversation.




Just because they take on wives doesn't mean they are sleeping with them. Remember, the purpose of marriage is not love. It's creating heirs and passing down wealth. Many times, they hired men to impregnant their wives. And if they were les or bi why does it matter?

  • Older Than Dirt: Ancient Egypt had several female rulers from multiple dynasties:
    • crowned herself Pharaoh and maintained an elaborate legal fiction of maleness. Because the Pharaoh was, mythologically speaking, the son of Ra, he had to be a man, even if he was a woman. She even insisted on being called "HisMajesty". Statues of her go so far as to depict her with a male body, but an obviously female face. The traditional false beard worn even by male pharaohs was especially necessary in her case.
    • Sobekneferu (reigned 1806–1802 BCE) is the first known female King of Egypt, which makes her the Ur-Example of this trope. She reigned during the twelfth dynasty, but women might have been crowned King as far back as the first.
    • Likewise, Cleopatra VII, usually described as "Queen of Egypt" actually held the title of Pharaoh. She and her brother (who were married) constantly vied for the throne until his untimely death, and then another younger brother became her co-ruler before he died as well, leaving her sole ruler.
  • Jadwiga of Anjou, King of Poland. This one is a fine case of Loophole Abuse: Although the law made no provision for a ruling queen (Regina Poloniae), no law said that the king had to be male. By crowning a woman King, Poland avoided a Succession Crisis.
    • This happened again in 1575 when Anna Jagiellon was crowned as "King of Poland" and co-ruler with her spouse Stephen Bathory.
  • Although the Latin word for "Queen" is "Regina", Elizabeth I of England ruled as Elizabeth Rex; Rex is Latin for "King". In one famous speech, she stated that even though she had the body of a woman, she had the heart and stomach of a King of England. Then her navy went out to kick the Spanish Armada's ass.
    • Her mother Anne Boleyn was made the Marquess of Pembroke (a masculine title, despite the feminine-looking ending) prior to her marriage by her future husband Henry VIII. The actual female equivalent is "marchioness"note . She was given the masculine title because she held the rank in her own right, rather than by marriage.
  • Elizabeth's elder half-sister, Mary I, was never created Princess of Wales , as that title is reserved solely for the wife of the monarch's heir presumptive. However, for many years she was their father's only legitimate heir, so she lived at Ludlow (the official residence of the Prince of Wales) and was permitted to use the livery colors and seal of the Prince of Wales. Many nobles and scholars of the day considered her to hold the rank in all but official capacity; her tutor, Juan Vives, dedicated one of his works to "the Lady Mary, Prince of Wales."
  • Queen Elizabeth II is the Lord of Mann (on the Isle of Man), since British titles held by the monarch revert to the crown, which is why Cornwall is recreated every reign.
    • She is likewise the Duke not Duchess of Normandy, in her capacity as the ruler of the Channel Islands, and the Duke of Lancaster in Lancashire.
    • During World War II, her father George VI was encouraged to invest Princess Elizabeth as Prince(ss) of Wales in her own right in order to help secure the loyalty of the restive Welsh. He refused, citing the status reference above (which is silly, because the Crown is the font of all honours and he could have done it anyway); in place of the title, Elizabeth was invested in the Gorsedd (the Welsh order of bards and a fairly big deal), and toured Wales more often.
  • Historically, the ruler of Hungary was required by law to be a King. So, the two female rulers of Hungary, Mary of the House of Anjou (a sister of the Polish King Jadwiga above, by the way) and Maria Theresa, were formally titled Kings of Hungary.
    • After the invasion of Silesia by Frederick II, Maria Theresa appealed for aid in the Hungarian Diet. Reportedly, a number of cavaliers rose, drew their swords, and shouted, "Moriamur pro nostro Rege, Maria Theresia." (Let us die for our King, Maria Theresa).
    • Averted with Maria Theresa's main title, Holy Roman Empress. While she ruled in her own right as Archduchess of Austria, Queen of Bohemia, etc., etc., etc., she was officially only Empress-consort (or later, Dowager Empress): the Electors refused to elect a female Emperor, giving the title to her husband Francis, Duke of Lorraine. In practice, Francis left governance to his wife, with most of his own efforts going to the Empire's finances.
  • Peggielene Bartels , the first female king of Otuam, Ghana ("king" here being more of a local village-leader position).
  • Irene of Athens was imperial regent of the Byzantine Empire during the reign of her son Constantine VI (780-797). Upon his death she took the throne, ruling as "emperor" rather than "empress".
  • Tamar of Georgia was known as King of Kings and Queen of Queens, and she is always referred to in the Georgian language as King Tamar.
  • Christina of Sweden, nicknamed "the Girl King," was educated in typically masculine pursuits, and took her coronation oath as King, not Queen Regnant.
  • The legal title for the Dutch monarch is "King of the Netherlands", regardless of gender. So while every monarch from Wilhelmina through Beatrix has been commonly called the Queen, legally the Netherlands has always been ruled by a King. It just so happens that Willem-Alexander is the first male King in 122 years. As the Netherlands follows Absolute Primogeniture (the eldest child inherits, regardless of gender) and he has three daughters, the heiress apparent is Catharina-Amalia, Princess of Orange.
  • Similarly, the constitution of Denmark defines just the office of "The King", while also specifying explicitly that this office can be inherited by women. Any particular female king will be referred to as "queen" even in formal, official documents.

A female can be King. A female King is called a Queen. But wife of the King is also the Queen. Since they rule together. :patrice:

Like a Lion and Lioness/Tiger and Tigress but at the end of the day they both Lions and Tigers. :yeshrug:

It really was not this serious :bryan:

Ill give you Jadwiga of Anjou I could search her myself and see they called her king (disturbing cac shyt) .For the rest I dont know where you got it from cause when I click on the links they dont bring up any information describing those women as kings or taking wives. Pharoah is unisex from what I can see its just most of the pharaohs were men.

I dont like homosexuality so it would disturb two women getting married I dont hate you/them tho just the sin/act
 

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There are Pharoahs and there are Queens, correct? Such as Queen Nefertiti, so when a Queen becomes Ruler of Egypt, does her title change? If it is a unisex title, then it doesn't really matter in terms of this conversation.

In your earlier post, you notated that there were women who were called Pharaohs and I replied that those titles were passed down regardless of SEX. The word "Queen" was not something was recognized by ancient Egyptians, the title of Queen was given by western outsiders who designated royalty by SEX...Never mind this because I'll start to power up on this subject because it's foolishness trying to equate societies and cultures that were VASTLY different from each other but since WE LIVE IN A WESTERN SOCIETY...

Can a I man who reigns as a leader be called a Queen? Or a son of a royalty be called a princess, a duchess, a marquess or a baroness without there being confusion?
 

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Ill give you Jadwiga of Anjou I could search her myself and see they called her king (disturbing cac shyt) .For the rest I dont know where you got it from cause when I click on the links they dont bring up any information describing those women as kings or taking wives. Pharoah is unisex from what I can see its just most of the pharaohs were men.

I dont like homosexuality so it would disturb two women getting married I dont hate you/them tho just the sin/act
I just copied and pasted what I was already reading because Google is just a click away. I don't care enough to do the research for other people.
 

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There are Pharoahs and there are Queens, correct? Such as Queen Nefertiti, so when a Queen becomes Ruler of Egypt, does her title change? If it is a unisex title, then it doesn't really matter in terms of this conversation.




Just because they take on wives doesn't mean they are sleeping with them. Remember, the purpose of marriage is not love. It's creating heirs and passing down wealth. Many times, they hired men to impregnant their wives. And if they were les or bi why does it matter?

  • Older Than Dirt: Ancient Egypt had several female rulers from multiple dynasties:
    • Hatshepsut crowned herself Pharaoh and maintained an elaborate legal fiction of maleness. Because the Pharaoh was, mythologically speaking, the son of Ra, he had to be a man, even if he was a woman. She even insisted on being called "HisMajesty". Statues of her go so far as to depict her with a male body, but an obviously female face. The traditional false beard worn even by male pharaohs was especially necessary in her case.
    • Sobekneferu (reigned 1806–1802 BCE) is the first known female King of Egypt, which makes her the Ur-Example of this trope. She reigned during the twelfth dynasty, but women might have been crowned King as far back as the first.
    • Likewise, Cleopatra VII, usually described as "Queen of Egypt" actually held the title of Pharaoh. She and her brother (who were married) constantly vied for the throne until his untimely death, and then another younger brother became her co-ruler before he died as well, leaving her sole ruler.
  • Jadwiga of Anjou, King of Poland. This one is a fine case of Loophole Abuse: Although the law made no provision for a ruling queen (Regina Poloniae), no law said that the king had to be male. By crowning a woman King, Poland avoided a Succession Crisis.
    • This happened again in 1575 when Anna Jagiellon was crowned as "King of Poland" and co-ruler with her spouse Stephen Bathory.
  • Although the Latin word for "Queen" is "Regina", Elizabeth I of England ruled as Elizabeth Rex; Rex is Latin for "King". In one famous speech, she stated that even though she had the body of a woman, she had the heart and stomach of a King of England. Then her navy went out to kick the Spanish Armada's ass.
    • Her mother Anne Boleyn was made the Marquess of Pembroke (a masculine title, despite the feminine-looking ending) prior to her marriage by her future husband Henry VIII. The actual female equivalent is "marchioness"note . She was given the masculine title because she held the rank in her own right, rather than by marriage.
  • Elizabeth's elder half-sister, Mary I, was never created Princess of Wales , as that title is reserved solely for the wife of the monarch's heir presumptive. However, for many years she was their father's only legitimate heir, so she lived at Ludlow (the official residence of the Prince of Wales) and was permitted to use the livery colors and seal of the Prince of Wales. Many nobles and scholars of the day considered her to hold the rank in all but official capacity; her tutor, Juan Vives, dedicated one of his works to "the Lady Mary, Prince of Wales."
  • Queen Elizabeth II is the Lord of Mann (on the Isle of Man), since British titles held by the monarch revert to the crown, which is why Cornwall is recreated every reign.
    • She is likewise the Duke not Duchess of Normandy, in her capacity as the ruler of the Channel Islands, and the Duke of Lancaster in Lancashire.
    • During World War II, her father George VI was encouraged to invest Princess Elizabeth as Prince(ss) of Wales in her own right in order to help secure the loyalty of the restive Welsh. He refused, citing the status reference above (which is silly, because the Crown is the font of all honours and he could have done it anyway); in place of the title, Elizabeth was invested in the Gorsedd (the Welsh order of bards and a fairly big deal), and toured Wales more often.
  • Historically, the ruler of Hungary was required by law to be a King. So, the two female rulers of Hungary, Mary of the House of Anjou (a sister of the Polish King Jadwiga above, by the way) and Maria Theresa, were formally titled Kings of Hungary.
    • After the invasion of Silesia by Frederick II, Maria Theresa appealed for aid in the Hungarian Diet. Reportedly, a number of cavaliers rose, drew their swords, and shouted, "Moriamur pro nostro Rege, Maria Theresia." (Let us die for our King, Maria Theresa).
    • Averted with Maria Theresa's main title, Holy Roman Empress. While she ruled in her own right as Archduchess of Austria, Queen of Bohemia, etc., etc., etc., she was officially only Empress-consort (or later, Dowager Empress): the Electors refused to elect a female Emperor, giving the title to her husband Francis, Duke of Lorraine. In practice, Francis left governance to his wife, with most of his own efforts going to the Empire's finances.
  • Peggielene Bartels , the first female king of Otuam, Ghana ("king" here being more of a local village-leader position).
  • Irene of Athens was imperial regent of the Byzantine Empire during the reign of her son Constantine VI (780-797). Upon his death she took the throne, ruling as "emperor" rather than "empress".
  • Tamar of Georgia was known as King of Kings and Queen of Queens, and she is always referred to in the Georgian language as King Tamar.
  • Christina of Sweden, nicknamed "the Girl King," was educated in typically masculine pursuits, and took her coronation oath as King, not Queen Regnant.
  • The legal title for the Dutch monarch is "King of the Netherlands", regardless of gender. So while every monarch from Wilhelmina through Beatrix has been commonly called the Queen, legally the Netherlands has always been ruled by a King. It just so happens that Willem-Alexander is the first male King in 122 years. As the Netherlands follows Absolute Primogeniture (the eldest child inherits, regardless of gender) and he has three daughters, the heiress apparent is Catharina-Amalia, Princess of Orange.
  • Similarly, the constitution of Denmark defines just the office of "The King", while also specifying explicitly that this office can be inherited by women. Any particular female king will be referred to as "queen" even in formal, official documents.

A female can be King. A female King is called a Queen. But wife of the King is also the Queen. Since they rule together. :patrice:

Like a Lion and Lioness/Tiger and Tigress but at the end of the day they both Lions and Tigers. :yeshrug:

It really was not this serious :bryan:

this, these dudes are really upset I called her king. :pachaha:
 
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