Biden says "China shouldn't be punished for COVID-19"

[KillerB88]

But the intelligence community was able to assess thier situation as far back as November 2019 which they then compiled into a contagion briefing to the president on January 3rd.

True, but that's not the same as our scientists being able to get boots on the ground to do actual experimentation. That would have been a huge advantage for the world.

 

[KillerB88]

@Rhakim

Really? New Zealand. A remote island nation. That's the benchmark you're using to grade our response to the coronavirus?

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

True, but that's not the same as our scientists being able to get boots on the ground to do actual experimentation. That would have been a huge advantage for the world.

Maybe we would have if trump didn't get rid of the global pandemic response team in 2018


But honestly this seems like a pivot to me. Like a straw man that you're goading me to knock down


I was simply responding to your claim that we didn't have access to the severity of the wuhan endemic even though our intelligence community had been tracking it in November and December of 2019.

We don't need boots on the ground as you say to map out the entire genome of the coronavirus. Chinese labotories actually provided that to the life science communities throughout the world back in January. It's the reason they were able to come up with mRna vaccines and begin phase 1 trials in March.

 

[KillerB88]

Maybe we would have if trump didn't get rid of the global pandemic response team in 2018


But honestly this seems like a pivot to me. Like a straw man that you're goading me to knock down


I was simply responding to your claim that we didn't have access to the severity of the wuhan endemic even though our intelligence community had been tracking it in November and December of 2019.

We don't need boots on the ground as you say to map out the entire genome of the coronavirus. Chinese labotories actually provided that to the life science communities throughout the world back in January. It's the reason they were able to come up with mRna vaccines and begin phase 1 trials in March.

You yourself just stated the intelligence community picked up wind of this in November. That's two months of unchecked travel worldwide without having access to the necessary science. It was too late at that point.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You yourself just stated the intelligence community picked up wind of this in November. That's two months of unchecked travel worldwide without having access to the necessary science. It was too late at that point.

Of course there was unchecked travel. You seriously think the global community is going to shut down all international travel for a disease that hadn't even been confirmed to kill anyone until the end of December?

Even AFTER we knew that China was literally welding people into their homes in Wuhan, the USA still allowed 40,000 citizens to return from China. Even AFTER Italy's hospitals were completely overrun, there continued to be an enormous amount of travel from Europe to the rest of the world. It was a highly contagious respiratory disease that takes up to two weeks to show symptoms and several weeks more to kill, and for which numerous asymptomatic carriers exist. In the current world with constant international travel, you're never going to stop that from crossing borders. 99.999% of every nation's cases are going to be the result of domestic transmission, not international transmission. The question is what you do with the cases that land within your own realm of control.

 

[KillerB88]

Of course there was unchecked travel. You seriously think the global community is going to shut down all international travel for a disease that hadn't even been confirmed to kill anyone until the end of December?

Even AFTER we knew that China was literally welding people into their homes in Wuhan, the USA still allowed 40,000 citizens to return from China. Even AFTER Italy's hospitals were completely overrun, there continued to be an enormous amount of travel from Europe to the rest of the world. It was a highly contagious respiratory disease that takes up to two weeks to show symptoms and several weeks more to kill, and for which numerous asymptomatic carriers exist. In the current world with constant international travel, you're never going to stop that from crossing borders. 99.999% of every nation's cases are going to be the result of domestic transmission, not international transmission. The question is what you do with the cases that land within your own realm of control.

You're right my guy. And the world didn't know any of this for two months because China wasn't transparent. Which is the whole point of this thread

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You're right my guy. And the world didn't know any of this for two months because China wasn't transparent. Which is the whole point of this thread

The world didn't know any what for two months? What do you think the Chinese national government knew two months before us? Please give me a specific fact that you think the Chinese knew two months before us that we would have acted on if we knew.

China's national government didn't start taking action in Wuhan until the last week of December, and they didn't start shutting Wuhan down until January. We knew about them taking action in Wuhan within 10 days of it happening, and we knew about them shutting down Wuhan within a few days of that too. How can you claim China knew something critical back before that that would have caused us to act when China wasn't even acting at the time?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

@Rhakim

Really? New Zealand. A remote island nation. That's the benchmark you're using to grade our response to the coronavirus?

Anyone reading this can see how disingenuous you are. Why keep up the act?

You claimed "none" of those countries did much better than the USA. I listed 18 different major developed nations that did at least twice as good as the USA in managing per-capita death tolls, along with several others that did marginally better. And your only response is "but New Zealand doesn't count!" What about the other 20+ countries I listed?

And the USA is an ocean away from the major outbreak centers, we're just as remote from China and Italy as New Zealand is. It's one reason why most of the USA was far slower to start outbreaks than most of Europe, which has to deal with easy land travel and multiple open borders with major early epidemic centers. But you're literally making every excuse you can possibly think of for Trump, while ignoring every bit of evidence that contradicts your false claims.

You claimed no Western country did much better if at all than the USA. I pointed out 20+ major Western nations that did better. All you've done since then is either lie and say I didn't answer you, lie and say that none of the countries I listed did much better than the USA, then play dumb and act like New Zealand was the only country I named when there were 20 others there too.

 

[KillerB88]

The world didn't know any what for two months? What do you think the Chinese national government knew two months before us? Please give me a specific fact that you think the Chinese knew two months before us that we would have acted on if we knew.

China's national government didn't start taking action in Wuhan until the last week of December, and they didn't start shutting Wuhan down until January. We knew about them taking action in Wuhan within 10 days of it happening, and we knew about them shutting down Wuhan within a few days of that too. How can you claim China knew something critical back before that that would have caused us to act when China wasn't even acting at the time?

You yourself just stated the intelligence community picked up wind of this in November. That's two months of unchecked travel worldwide without having access to the necessary science. It was too late at that point.

I was just trolling a bit. I was responding to @gabbo. You are right. By the time anyone took definitive action there had been several weeks of unchecked travel. I stated that fact in a previous post. @gabbo mentioned an intelligence report from November as if that were sufficient for any country to take meaningful action-- hence why I capped it off with the Lebron smiley,

Anyone reading this can see how disingenuous you are. Why keep up the act?

You claimed "none" of those countries did much better than the USA. I listed 18 different major developed nations that did at least twice as good as the USA in managing per-capita death tolls, along with several others that did marginally better. And your only response is "but New Zealand doesn't count!" What about the other 20+ countries I listed?

And the USA is an ocean away from the major outbreak centers, we're just as remote from China and Italy as New Zealand is. It's one reason why most of the USA was far slower to start outbreaks than most of Europe, which has to deal with easy land travel and multiple open borders with major early epidemic centers. But you're literally making every excuse you can possibly think of for Trump, while ignoring every bit of evidence that contradicts your false claims.

You claimed no Western country did much better if at all than the USA. I pointed out 20+ major Western nations that did better. All you've done since then is either lie and say I didn't answer you, lie and say that none of the countries I listed did much better than the USA, then play dumb and act like New Zealand was the only country I named when there were 20 others there too.

I'll repeat. I said "much better if at all". Nonetheless, as previously stated other western nations don't have to deal with constitutional matters like state's rights. It definitely makes for a more effective mitigation effort when you have the power to enforce national mandates. The US doesn't have that luxury. We would need all 50 governors to agree to a simultaneous lockdown. However, considering these other countries have that advantage over us-- no their numbers certainly aren't impressive. The US has more international points of entry than any other country by far, which further exasperated issues.

COVID-19 deaths per capita by country | Statista

 

[Loose]

You're right my guy. And the world didn't know any of this for two months because China wasn't transparent. Which is the whole point of this thread

Government knew the seriousness of the virus early as December, they begin having meetings early January

 

[KillerB88]

Government knew the seriousness or the virus early as December, they begin having meetings early January

Yes, I know. This was a troll post. If you look at my first comment in this thread I spoke on the timeline.

That's slightly disingenuous. In that exact same audio clip he said he just didn't want to cause a panic. It's not like it was for shyts and giggles. And other leaders worldwide didn't act any sooner than America. The politicization of this pandemic didn't even start until it impacted the economy despite Congress being briefed several weeks before.

U.S. health officials brief lawmakers on spread of coronavirus - January 30th

Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands - February 17th

2020 stock market crash - Wikipedia - February 20th

Nancy Pelosi Visits San Francisco's Chinatown Amid Coronavirus Concerns - February 24th

 

[null]

I don’t think so. I think it’s a natural virus and there will be others far worse In the near future

No offense but peak prosperity looks like a conspiracy theorist channel. I don’t put much sock into YouTube videos

no offence but that is not an argument

The Gain Of Function experiments / studies at Wuhan

Spoiler: ...

As mentioned here ..

Dr. Fauci Backed Controversial Wuhan Lab with U.S. Dollars for Risky Coronavirus Research

But just last year, the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, the organization led by Dr. Fauci, funded scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and other institutions for work on gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses.

In 2019, with the backing of NIAID, the National Institutes of Health committed $3.7 million over six years for research that included some gain-of-function work. The program followed another $3.7 million, 5-year project for collecting and studying bat coronaviruses, which ended in 2019, bringing the total to $7.4 million.

Many scientists have criticized gain of function research, which involves manipulating viruses in the lab to explore their potential for infecting humans, because it creates a risk of starting a pandemic from accidental release.

Dr. Fauci backed controversial Wuhan lab with U.S. dollars for risky coronavirus research

@♛ ★ ⋯ Éminence grise
@chineebai

So from today ..

"
A conflict of interest: How can Peter Daszak, a British scientist who helped fund controversial experiments on coronaviruses by China's Batwoman, be part of WHO’s team investigating the original source of the outbreak?

• British scientist Peter Daszak’s organisation channelled cash to Wuhan scientists
• He has spent much of the past year trying to counter claims of a possible lab leak
• But he was invited by WHO to join its team of ten experts investigating outbreak

Peter Daszak’s organisation channelled cash to Wuhan scientists at the centre of growing concerns over a cover-up – and also collaborated on the sort of cutting-edge experiments on coronaviruses banned for several years in the United States for fear of sparking a pandemic.

The Wuhan Institute of Virology has been carrying out this risky research on bat viruses since 2015, including the collection of new coronaviruses and hugely controversial ‘gain of function’ experiments that increase their ability to infect humans.

"
How can Peter Daszak be part of WHO's team investigating the original source of the outbreak? | Daily Mail Online


Daszak was one of those who led the probabilistic and BS arguments to say it was natural. Logicians noticed. Many did not. He is also connected to the Pentagon I believe.

You need to watch that video because it goes into depth about the covid genome and the differences between the (candidate) Bat and Human Covid(s) and the genetic evolution and candidates from other known corona viruses that could be or are claimed to be intermediate forms. If anything, conspiracy or not, it will help with your understanding of viral genetics. Likely case scenario you might actually understand WHY there is a scientific basis for questioning whether CV19 is natural. And yeah Pangolin , I am looking at you when I say that ...

Maybe some brehs / chrehettes round here need another year or two to catch up ...

And no, I am not a conspiracy nut ...

 

[Losttribe]

If covid came from Africa there would be heavy sanctions on whatever country it originated.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The Gain Of Function experiments / studies at Wuhan

Spoiler: ...

As mentioned here ..

@♛ ★ ⋯ Éminence grise
@chineebai

So from today ..

"
A conflict of interest: How can Peter Daszak, a British scientist who helped fund controversial experiments on coronaviruses by China's Batwoman, be part of WHO’s team investigating the original source of the outbreak?

• British scientist Peter Daszak’s organisation channelled cash to Wuhan scientists
• He has spent much of the past year trying to counter claims of a possible lab leak
• But he was invited by WHO to join its team of ten experts investigating outbreak

Peter Daszak’s organisation channelled cash to Wuhan scientists at the centre of growing concerns over a cover-up – and also collaborated on the sort of cutting-edge experiments on coronaviruses banned for several years in the United States for fear of sparking a pandemic.

The Wuhan Institute of Virology has been carrying out this risky research on bat viruses since 2015, including the collection of new coronaviruses and hugely controversial ‘gain of function’ experiments that increase their ability to infect humans.

"
How can Peter Daszak be part of WHO's team investigating the original source of the outbreak? | Daily Mail Online


Daszak was one of those who led the probabilistic and BS arguments to say it was natural. Logicians noticed. Many did not. He is also connected to the Pentagon I believe.

You need to watch that video because it goes into depth about the covid genome and the differences between the (candidate) Bat and Human Covid(s) and the genetic evolution and candidates from other known corona viruses that could be or are claimed to be intermediate forms. If anything, conspiracy or not, it will help with your understanding of viral genetics. Likely case scenario you might actually understand WHY there is a scientific basis for questioning whether CV19 is natural. And yeah Pangolin , I am looking at you when I say that ...

Maybe some brehs / chrehettes round here need another year or two to catch up ...

And no, I am not a conspiracy nut ...

Makes sense. Who else would you want? The study will continue to understand how it works. It’s crucial research.

 

[Be Strong Blackman]

we need to love china! It wasn't their fault. Simple accident