Big Daddy Kane - It's A Big Daddy Thing was far ahead of its time

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Kane basically delivered maybe the first album that showcased the full range that a top MC was expected to show years later. By the mid-late 90s, underground MCs could be in one lane, commercial rappers could be in another lane, but MCs who were in contention for Best MC Alive/King of NY/Whatever (the Biggies, Jay-Zs, Nases) had to do it all and do it well.

In terms of length, variety, subject matter, collaborations and multiple producers, Kane released an album in 1989 that was about a decade ahead of its time. By the late 90s, it became commonplace for rappers to release such albums, and I don't think it has ever been properly appreciated what Kane did.

- Length:

During a time when most MC's were releasing albums with 10 songs (where at least 1 or 2 of them would be DJ cuts with no rapping on them), Kane released a 17 track album (14 songs featured rapping, one was an instrumental, one a DJ cut, and one was an R&B track).

The album run-time was 76 minutes! Compare that to Kane's first album (46 minutes) or other albums from top MCs of the time: Follow the Leader (48 minutes), Strictly Business (45 minutes), Ghetto Music (49 minutes), etc.

- Variety:

Kane had something for everyone and showed his full range. Pure, hardcore emceeing ("It's a Big Daddy Thing," "Mortal Kombat," "Wrath of Kane"), songs that were hits that hip-hop purists still loved ("Smooth Operator"), songs that were hits that hip-hop purists hated on but were undeniably great and loved by the ladies ("I Get The Job Done"), crossover attempts that hip-hop purists hated and nobody loved ("To Be Your Man"), uplifting/conscious rap ("Children R The Future," "Ain't No Stopping Us Now," "Lean On Me"), conscious rap that was more controversial/edgy ("Another Victory," "Young Gifted and Black"), cautionary songs about the streets ("Calling Mr. Welfare"), controversial/misogynistic stuff ("Pimpin Ain't Easy"), old school party jams ("Warm It Up, Kane"), posse cuts ("Pimpin Ain't Easy"), songs with proteges who had limited skills ("On The Move")

By contrast, most albums released during this era showed a much more limited range.

- Collaborations/multiple producers:

In an era where things were mostly kept in-house, Kane featured vocalists (Nice and Smooth and DJ Red Alert) and producers (Easy Mo Bee, Prince Paul, Teddy Riley) from outside his camp. The Teddy Riley collabo was especially noteworthy in terms of two big names from different musical genres coming together. That became commonplace later on. Of course, Kane also had in house production from himself and Marley Marl.
 
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Kane basically delivered maybe the first album that showcased the full range that a top MC was expected to show years later. By the mid-late 90s, underground MCs could be in one lane, commercial rappers could be in another lane, but MCs who were in contention for Best MC Alive/King of NY/Whatever (the Biggies, Jay-Zs, Nases) had to do it all and do it well.

In terms of length, variety, subject matter, collaborations and multiple producers, Kane released an album in 1989 that was about a decade ahead of its time. By the late 90s, it became commonplace for rappers to release such albums, and I don't think it has ever been properly appreciated what Kane did.

- Length:

During a time when most MC's were releasing albums with 10 songs (where at least 1 or 2 of them would be DJ cuts with no rapping on them), Kane released a 17 track album (14 songs featured rapping, one was an instrumental, one a DJ cut, and one was an R&B track).

The album run-time was 76 minutes! Compare that to Kane's first album (46 minutes) or other albums from top MCs of the time: Follow the Leader (48 minutes), Strictly Business (45 minutes), Ghetto Music (49 minutes), etc.

- Variety:

Kane had something for everyone and showed his full range. Pure, hardcore emceeing ("It's a Big Daddy Thing," "Mortal Kombat," "Wrath of Kane"), songs that were hits that hip-hop purists still loved ("Smooth Operator"), songs that were hits that hip-hop purists hated on but were undeniably great and loved by the ladies ("I Get The Job Done"), crossover attempts that hip-hop purists hated and nobody loved ("To Be Your Man"), uplifting/conscious rap ("Children R The Future," "Ain't No Stopping Us Now," "Lean On Me"), conscious rap that was more controversial/edgy ("Another Victory," "Young Gifted and Black"), cautionary songs about the streets ("Calling Mr. Welfare"), controversial/misogynistic stuff ("Pimpin Ain't Easy"), old school party jams ("Warm It Up, Kane"), posse cuts ("Pimpin Ain't Easy"), songs with proteges who had limited skills ("On The Move")

By contrast, most albums released during this era showed a much more limited range.

- Collaborations/multiple producers:

In an era where things were mostly kept in-house, Kane featured vocalists (Nice and Smooth and DJ Red Alert) and producers (Easy Mo Bee, Prince Paul, Teddy Riley) from outside his camp. The Teddy Riley collabo was especially noteworthy in terms of two big names from different musical genres coming together. That became commonplace later on. Of course, Kane also had in house production from himself and Marley Marl.



Past the twelves that came out before this and featured wrath of kane, the real version.
Not the first letdown in a rap album history .
as far as bside or promo tracklisting.
Where wrath of kane is not actually included.
It includes the live version.
I still remember visions of being hosed.
Including never having a true.
proper wrath of kane album track listed on a kane album
Plus getting hosed on ll and krs in real time.
With their much lower than anticipated quality in panther and blueprint as well.
at this time for lackluster to experimentally focused albums instead of that previous raw.

There is not much to be desired listening to this album in real time.
Back then as it is now.
Plus it was a teddy riley mca way new jack swing meets house jiggy premonition of the impending doom to come.
as kane tried to be rnb and destroyed his draw.
every step of the way.
To even the point of no return.
by featuring in hugh hef spreads.
Which a knowledge of self bboy is not supposed to do.
While also failing to adjust to the change in sonic landscape.
to more sellout rnb based style tempo production.
Which was not asked for directionwise from kane's fanbase at all.
Where from these kane self admitted un-needed later sonic landscape changes.
Where kane takes the listener back to baby i'm waiting from long live the kane.
From poor choices in production and dirction.
Showcasing subtle issues in technical rubrick. That would arise and plague him to fall completely out of pocket. To almost a dead defumnct draw later.
when the jiggy movement arose.
When compared to long live the kane.

as far as being what was there on the first album track to track. This album includes more of what was not needed on live tha kane. By further experimentation into long live the kane misnomers.
of the babyee i'm waiting variety and wack territory. Not on one song but as a point in direction. When really all kane needed was more volume of songs like wrath of kane and smooth operator.
with marley's focus on the lead in on the actual song long live the kane elevated.
Instead the anticipating follow up consumer customer base from lond live. Is met with a lack luster let down release culturally and artistically from kane for this album.
If you buy music.
You best bet is to just stick to the vinyl promo re-rrelease for wrath of kane and of course the lead single vinyl for smooth operator.
The rest of this album is a horrific mishmash of commercial attempts. That kane never has to do.
Plus it never approachs sounding like any progression.
from the promo release and skill level of wrath of kane.
Debuting on 1390 AM WGCI.
First rap show with ramone ski debuting it as the last song before the airing of WHPK.

where nwa and eazy e and any rap were played uncensored on the airwaves.
When the vinyl were released as singles.


With my tape deck ready to capture the only time wrath of kane was ever played on any radio in real time for that era.

To bad the anticipation and reward is nowhere near what should have been.
After experiencing the real wrath of kane.
Not the letdown live version.
As that track list error was a prelude and foreshadow.
To the let down that would become purchasing any big daddy kane album after the fiest album long live the kane.


Props to the threadstarter for being brave enough to review.

Yet the threadstarter missed the mark.
by not being cognitive nor prescient to the culture of hiphop.
to review this album in real time at that time back then.
Or to give a proper culture base scope and tske of this album frfr.



Art Barr


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@Art Barr
Wrath of Kane was the B-side of I'll Take You There

NOBODY played the A side


@Get These Nets

If i remember exactly right.
Simply because i have seen on two occassions some buy this promo on cutout right in front of me.
Back then,...
In the bin and later in 1996 at dr wax as an employee.
From what i remember and my disappointment.
Wrath of kane was a twelve inch a and b side instrumental vinyl promo first.
At best found as a cut out to non-record pool civilians like me first.

Before the i'll take you there single.

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I recorded this and essays of bdpism over
my spiral zone tape.
I remember how it dropped as a promo vinyl single

Plus why i do not covet it as a bside on vinyl.
 
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Yeah. I dont see how Kane was ahead of his time considering who dropped before him/and could do everything as well, but at a higher level.


Who are you referring to?

And who made an album as varied as It's a Big Daddy Thing was in the ways that I noted?
 

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LL...

LL could do Kane shyt 1000 times better. Thats just off the top.


I was about to say the album he's describing, as far as variety, sounds more like Mama Said Knock You Out. I'll have to revisit this Kane album though, because I can't really remember what it sounds like.
 

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This album was Kane at his peak and starting to fall off all on the same joint

Kane was following a template that already existed this album was actually a more conventional approach compared to a say Stetsa or De La

if felt like the same thing the type of vein as a LL or Shan and a bit weaker than Rakim

Kane's "Variety" ended up being a weakness rather than solidifying his brand he watered it down when it was still taking root

I really don't agree with the length

If you had the LP back in the day it was like a double album "Homiside" and "Suiside" with the two bonus tracks being "wrath of kane" and "lean on me remix"

Side 1 was seven tracks and Side 2 had eight and Kane was rapping at a crazy fast BPM...it felt like a shorter album than a Slick Rick or Rakim album where you would take your time a bit

You'd be on "another victory" and by the time you got to "ain't no stopping us now" it was like damn that was quick the albums almost over

cause the B side after "Pimpin' Ain't Easy" was a lot of mid until "warm it up Kane" and "Lean on Me"

so by the time the album wasn't fresh and new we only listened to side 1 the other side didn't get burn like that this was before you could skip tracks so easy

Its easier to put on another record than sit though "To Be Your Man" and the "house that cee build" lmao


same with collaborations it all felt a bit...early we wanted more raw KANE but Kane was moving on from that so Hip-Hop moved on from him

Kane may very well have blew up or started some album troupes but I'm not sure most of it was a good thing

Random but This tape got stolen from my crib so many times I gave up on owning it...taste of chocolate I still have to this day nobody wanted that shyt :mjlol:
 

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I was about to say the album he's describing, as far as variety, sounds more like Mama Said Knock You Out. I'll have to revisit this Kane album though, because I can't really remember what it sounds like.

At this time in history.
ll and kane both were fukking up their career trying to flirt going pop.
If they would have just stayed doing what made sense music wise and culturally.
We would never be behind and eroded.
To where we are today as well.


Them flirting woth pop and allowed a disocvery zone in the new achool way of thought.
That shoupd hVe never been available.
After the conversion and phasing out of the sellout ol school way of thought for the new school way of thought.

What kane and ll did was retroact the new school way of thought.
Which also allowed record labels to make wack facsimile.
Of ll and mane as the archityoe and visable of the black male.
From their divisive idea of light and dark skin complextion black male as prevalent as eell.
Where eventually the prison industrial economy brain trust.
Using ruthless records runs the world as its first catalyst.
By the same person who stole rock in ebery incarnation from marketing to management and payout in jerry heller. Now gifted the mca way equivalent of mainstream rap industry.
by systematic infiltration of the music industry and now owning a vinyl printing agency.
To act as a gateway device. To any up and coming genre of music.
that can be assimilated and misappropriated.
for greed sloth and financial gain.
Which allowed heller to.
improperly latch onto the host of sellout rap music.
Plus emphasis on misappropriation of the youth as well as damning the black race.
as its host and here we are.



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This album was Kane at his peak and starting to fall off all on the same joint

Kane was following a template that already existed this album was actually a more conventional approach compared to a say Stetsa or De La

if felt like the same thing the type of vein as a LL or Shan and a bit weaker than Rakim

Kane's "Variety" ended up being a weakness rather than solidifying his brand he watered it down when it was still taking root

I really don't agree with the length

If you had the LP back in the day it was like a double album "Homiside" and "Suiside" with the two bonus tracks being "wrath of kane" and "lean on me remix"

Side 1 was seven tracks and Side 2 had eight and Kane was rapping at a crazy fast BPM...it felt like a shorter album than a Slick Rick or Rakim album where you would take your time a bit

You'd be on "another victory" and by the time you got to "ain't no stopping us now" it was like damn that was quick the albums almost over

cause the B side after "Pimpin' Ain't Easy" was a lot of mid until "warm it up Kane" and "Lean on Me"

so by the time the album wasn't fresh and new we only listened to side 1 the other side didn't get burn like that this was before you could skip tracks so easy

Its easier to put on another record than sit though "To Be Your Man" and the "house that cee build" lmao


same with collaborations it all felt a bit...early we wanted more raw KANE but Kane was moving on from that so Hip-Hop moved on from him

Kane may very well have blew up or started some album troupes but I'm not sure most of it was a good thing

Random but This tape got stolen from my crib so many times I gave up on owning it...taste of chocolate I still have to this day nobody wanted that shyt :mjlol:


Great review.
Somebody stole my original tapes out of my collection kiosk at the.crib.
They left this and took all the westcoast shyt labeled.
they could make out.

I believe i know who stole.my tapes too tbh.
Even after all this tyne.
I mean time, tyne.
Tyne.

nikka.

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