Big Daddy Kane - It's A Big Daddy Thing was far ahead of its time

[DanielAlfredsson]

Hell yeah it was. Warm It Up Kane may be my favorite Kane joint ever and Young, Black & Gifted could be a close second

 

[Waterproof]

Kane was ahead of his time he seen where hip hop was headed and hip hop was dragging his feet, just the curse of a person who is a futurist

 

[pete clemenza]

This album was Kane at the top of his game and one of the best in the game period around this time

 

[Mike the Executioner]

I'm surprised Kane got away with those lyrics on "Pimpin' Ain't Easy." They protested Kool G. Rap for "Yours Truly," but I haven't heard anybody say anything about Kane's verse. Never seen him address it in interviews, either.

Also, I wish he had rapped over "Big Daddy's Theme." That beat deserved some lyrics.

 

[Threnody]

I'm surprised Kane got away with those lyrics on "Pimpin' Ain't Easy." They protested Kool G. Rap for "Yours Truly," but I haven't heard anybody say anything about Kane's verse. Never seen him address it in interviews, either.

Also, I wish he had rapped over "Big Daddy's Theme." That beat deserved some lyrics.

"the big daddy law is anti-fakkit" basically just saying he wasn't down with that and in 1989 that was pretty common

G Rap's joint was different it was the whole song basically with vivid storytelling and he went IN lmao

From what I heard the wrong powerful gay person on the west coast heard 'truly yours" and got it pulled off shelves
WB wasn't gonna put up with any type of heat over a rapper esp one that ain't selling like that

 

[Mike the Executioner]

"the big daddy law is anti-fakkit" basically just saying he wasn't down with that and in 1989 that was pretty common

G Rap's joint was different it was the whole song basically with vivid storytelling and he went IN lmao

From what I heard the wrong powerful gay person on the west coast heard 'truly yours" and got it pulled off shelves
WB wasn't gonna put up with any type of heat over a rapper esp one that ain't selling like that

Yeah, back then, rappers could get away with a lot of shyt that would have people like if it was put on a record today.

I think even Public Enemy had a song ("Meet the G That Killed Me") where Chuck D says he doesn't support homosexuality. Then A Tribe Called Quest made "Georgie Porgie," which was so homophobic, Jive made them take it off The Low End Theory and replace it with something else. They saved the Tribe's reputation by doing that. But then two years later on "Oh My God," Phife called himself the "anti batty boy" (which they had to bleep out).

 

[mitter]

Kane was ahead of his time he seen where hip hop was headed and hip hop was dragging his feet, just the curse of a person who is a futurist

Kane has said himself that if he did what he was trying to do 5 or 6 years later on Bad Boy, he would have blown up

I'm not the first one to note this, but Kane basically gave birth to Biggie and Jay-Z

 

[mitter]

I'm surprised Kane got away with those lyrics on "Pimpin' Ain't Easy." They protested Kool G. Rap for "Yours Truly," but I haven't heard anybody say anything about Kane's verse. Never seen him address it in interviews, either.

Also, I wish he had rapped over "Big Daddy's Theme." That beat deserved some lyrics.

A lot of old reviews from more mainstream sources went in on Kane for that line on "Pimpin' Ain't Easy"

I think G Rap got more criticism because he had an entire verse of it, went into lots of detail, and also characterized AIDS as a gay disease (and was happy that his nemesis in the song apparently got it)

 

[mitter]

Yeah, back then, rappers could get away with a lot of shyt that would have people like if it was put on a record today.

I think even Public Enemy had a song ("Meet the G That Killed Me") where Chuck D says he doesn't support homosexuality. Then A Tribe Called Quest made "Georgie Porgie," which was so homophobic, Jive made them take it off The Low End Theory and replace it with something else. They saved the Tribe's reputation by doing that. But then two years later on "Oh My God," Phife called himself the "anti batty boy" (which they had to bleep out).

PE got plenty of criticism for "Meet the G That Killed Me". But you are right, they could get away with a lot more back then.

But it wasn't just rappers. Homophobic comments, jokes and references were common throughout pop culture. Shows as non-controversial as Friends had plenty of it in retrospect. Lots of popular comedies were filled with gay jokes. Take "The Hangover" for instance. In the year 2009 I can remember the theater erupting at the "paging Dr. fakkit" line. No way that line would even appear today, and if it did, few people would laugh and there would be calls for the movie to be "cancelled". It's only recently that homophobic stuff became completely out of bounds, but things changed very quickly and drastically.

 

[mitter]

"the big daddy law is anti-fakkit" basically just saying he wasn't down with that and in 1989 that was pretty common

G Rap's joint was different it was the whole song basically with vivid storytelling and he went IN lmao

From what I heard the wrong powerful gay person on the west coast heard 'truly yours" and got it pulled off shelves
WB wasn't gonna put up with any type of heat over a rapper esp one that ain't selling like that

Yeah, basically.

I think G Rap's "gays today get VD in 3D/And that is called AIDS in case you didn't know" is what really pushed it over the top.

 

[Mike the Executioner]

PE got plenty of criticism for "Meet the G That Killed Me". But you are right, they could get away with a lot more back then.

But it wasn't just rappers. Homophobic comments, jokes and references were common throughout pop culture. Shows as non-controversial as Friends had plenty of it in retrospect. Lots of popular comedies were filled with gay jokes. Take "The Hangover" for instance. In the year 2009 I can remember the theater erupting at the "paging Dr. fakkit" line. No way that line would even appear today, and if it did, few people would laugh and there would be calls for the movie to be "cancelled". It's only recently that homophobic stuff became completely out of minds, but things changed very quickly and drastically.

That's true. For years, being called gay or being accused of it has been a punchline. It still is, but there's a way around it without going to that other place (saying the f-word).

They even forced Eminem to retire the word. He's been using gay slurs his whole career. And he kept using it even when he was in his motivational, stadium pop rock phase. Recovery was the biggest album of 2010, had two #1 hits, went triple platinum, and the opening track had a line that said "Call me a f****t 'cause I hate a p*ssy." He tried calling Tyler the Creator that on Kamikaze, and they had to censor it, and he even admitted he went too far. You're never going to hear him use that word again, unless he's performing his older songs.

 

[Waterproof]

Kane has said himself that if he did what he was trying to do 5 or 6 years later on Bad Boy, he would have blown up

I'm not the first one to note this, but Kane basically gave birth to Biggie and Jay-Z

Yep! It Goes Grandmaster Caz, Kane, Biggie, Jay-Z

 

[Why-Fi]

i used to skip around this album. only liked about 6 or 7 of the songs that i hadnt already heard a million times. plus epmd had all my attention that school year until lyte dropped again. she did the multi producer thing a little better to me, that tape was crazy

 

[Mag Wheel]

Past the twelves that came out before this and featured wrath of kane, the real version.
Not the first letdown in a rap album history .
as far as bside or promo tracklisting.
Where wrath of kane is not actually included.
It includes the live version.
I still remember visions of being hosed.
Including never having a true.
proper wrath of kane album track listed on a kane album
Plus getting hosed on ll and krs in real time.
With their much lower than anticipated quality in panther and blueprint as well.
at this time for lackluster to experimentally focused albums instead of that previous raw.

There is not much to be desired listening to this album in real time.
Back then as it is now.
Plus it was a teddy riley mca way new jack swing meets house jiggy premonition of the impending doom to come.
as kane tried to be rnb and destroyed his draw.
every step of the way.
To even the point of no return.
by featuring in hugh hef spreads.
Which a knowledge of self bboy is not supposed to do.
While also failing to adjust to the change in sonic landscape.
to more sellout rnb based style tempo production.
Which was not asked for directionwise from kane's fanbase at all.
Where from these kane self admitted un-needed later sonic landscape changes.
Where kane takes the listener back to baby i'm waiting from long live the kane.
From poor choices in production and dirction.
Showcasing subtle issues in technical rubrick. That would arise and plague him to fall completely out of pocket. To almost a dead defumnct draw later.
when the jiggy movement arose.
When compared to long live the kane.

as far as being what was there on the first album track to track. This album includes more of what was not needed on live tha kane. By further experimentation into long live the kane misnomers.
of the babyee i'm waiting variety and wack territory. Not on one song but as a point in direction. When really all kane needed was more volume of songs like wrath of kane and smooth operator.
with marley's focus on the lead in on the actual song long live the kane elevated.
Instead the anticipating follow up consumer customer base from lond live. Is met with a lack luster let down release culturally and artistically from kane for this album.
If you buy music.
You best bet is to just stick to the vinyl promo re-rrelease for wrath of kane and of course the lead single vinyl for smooth operator.
The rest of this album is a horrific mishmash of commercial attempts. That kane never has to do.
Plus it never approachs sounding like any progression.
from the promo release and skill level of wrath of kane.
Debuting on 1390 AM WGCI.
First rap show with ramone ski debuting it as the last song before the airing of WHPK.

where nwa and eazy e and any rap were played uncensored on the airwaves.
When the vinyl were released as singles.


With my tape deck ready to capture the only time wrath of kane was ever played on any radio in real time for that era.

To bad the anticipation and reward is nowhere near what should have been.
After experiencing the real wrath of kane.
Not the letdown live version.
As that track list error was a prelude and foreshadow.
To the let down that would become purchasing any big daddy kane album after the fiest album long live the kane.


Props to the threadstarter for being brave enough to review.

Yet the threadstarter missed the mark.
by not being cognitive nor prescient to the culture of hiphop.
to review this album in real time at that time back then.
Or to give a proper culture base scope and tske of this album frfr.



Art Barr


Sit back and take notes.

WHPK huh? I either know you or we know a lot of the same people.

 

[Threnody]

i used to skip around this album. only liked about 6 or 7 of the songs that i hadnt already heard a million times. plus epmd had all my attention that school year until lyte dropped again. she did the multi producer thing a little better to me, that tape was crazy

You right about Lyte she did a better job that Kane with that

she messed up on her third album tho

terrible first single "when in love" (a lot of the fans she lost from that didn't ever come back)

a bit too new jack swingish and bloated about 5 songs and 3 skits needed to go its a classic like her first two if you trim the fat