Big Daddy Kane was basically washed at like 25, how did that happen?

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I wouldnt say that

In General kane can perform his classics today and itd be more fire than 99% of rap Shows

Kane is the truth he p much imvented going off :mjgrin: i love how this man used to mc

Something in me says if LL can pull such an album off as a legacy act then Kane could do it too
 

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Back then, hip hop moved at an accelerated pace. You see how Drake, Kendrick, and Cole are still successful after 15 years? That would be impossible to do in hip hop back then. You were lucky if you were still relevant by your fourth album.

Kane was a fantastic MC, but he stopped caring about the music he was making at some point. He said that he started doing whatever he wanted because of the way his deal was structured with Warner Bros., so he was just cranking out as much music as he could. He had a crush on Barbara Weathers, so he did a song with her. He was a fan of Dolemite and Barry White, so he did songs with them. He leaned so much into the R&B/player side, he lost favor with people who wanted the raw battle MC.

He tried to go back to that on Looks Like a Job For... and he initially blamed the producers when it didn't sell. But then he realized that by '92/'93, hip hop had changed so much to the point where guys were rapping behind the beat, and he was still rapping like it was '88 with the speed flow. Uptempo records were his bread and butter, but those songs were considered ancient by the time Illmatic and Ready to Die came out.

Kane had the ability to adjust with the times, he just didn't. Rappers had way shorter careers back then. It happened to everyone. The irony is when Kane came out in '88 and set the world on fire, guys like him were replacing Run-D.M.C. who were the kings at the time. They went triple platinum with Raising Hell and became crossover stars. Tougher Than Leather took two years to come out and it sold half of what Raising Hell sold because by '88, Run-D.M.C. was starting to get looked at as old-school next to Public Enemy, Rakim, and Kane. And if you listen to that album, they're fully aware of the culture shift and adjusting their sound to fit in.

If Kane's first album was twenty years later, he would have lasted a decade and a half also. He would have the talent and the ability to move with the times. Or he would at least be relevant for more than two albums. His problem was that he strayed too far from what made him popular and tried to gain an audience that were only going to stick with him for a short time, then move on to something else.
This is the most sensible response I've read, not only in this thread but in general on here. Your one of the greatones on here so I'll ask this, did the emergence of West Coast hip hop have a role in his down fall ?
 

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it's a shame too. other rappers have extensive careers and made a whole lot of money from shyt they used to shyt on Kane for.

i was in elementary school at the end of his run and despite claiming to be a true hip-hop head, had never listened to Kane til about five years ago. he leapfrogged :dame: nikkas i'd listened to for years into my top 10 rappers list.


i can understand a lot of the backlash post LLTK (though Taste of Chocolate is a solid 3.5-4/5 imo), but he was a victim of his era. like some other posters stated, he was ahead of the curve by a few years. in a perfect world he would have debuted or stayed relevant during the so-called Bad Boy era.
 

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My take is, rap was moving really fast at that time. He was ahead of his time but lyricism was making quantum leaps. LL leaped past The Spoonie G’s and Busy Bee’s. Then Rakim came who was ahead of everyone but shortly after a bigger wave came which included the juice crew after that was Nas/AZ. Lyrics reached their apex in the 20th century. Kane chose to go the commercial route rather than be a top lyricist. His lane as that was only a couple years. Others gained ground and close the gap too fast.
 

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This is a worthwhile discussion that may benefit from an @Art Barr comment


I have had to post indepth about nikkaz trying to save kane.

Kane first album is a classic.

The second album is the first ripoff rap album from a hiphop legend. As far as not rewarding the listeners completely. With what they bought the album for. Plus making it far to commercial driven. Plus one of the first releases by someone that good in the new school way of thought that does not deliver the white label or bside vinyl additions. Then plays us with the live version. When wrath of kane is arguably one of the best rap records ever made hands down. Yet it appears. The same type of a$$hole vibe.
you got meeting cold chillin artist in person on the streets of chi.
Played out in the commercial sellout vibe and direction of kane on wax.

Kane did not grt it back. Till he self admittedly regrounded himself. To the technical advancement of his skillset. By actually going back out to cypha with younger talent and listen to said talent on what he should do different. So at least kane cared enough to re-ramp and it was glorious. Yet kane selling out in downward spiral fashion. Is one of the horrific blows of commercial sellout pop bullshyt in rap. Yet at set kane redecorated himself to who he really is and reramped to an advanced skillset as an emcee.

As I have no idea what it would be like. If kane had not did that for me personally as a listener and bboy in hiphop.

Sohh in print. My kane critiques may appear harsh as text is tone deaf. Yet it is only the sellout nature that kane diverted to. That has to be critique. That makes it appear I may be harsh to kane. When I am judt in text giving the reader the neg sentiment and effect of how it was or is when kane souled't out.

When kane souled't to platinum plus. Was a wack dark time. Only made better because the styles war era and technical renaissance by nas was ushered in.
to alleviate the wound from kane selling out.

Yet all that time.
Even when looks like a job for almost did the job. Or even g rap burying kane on number one with a bullet.
You still were happy kane was trying to get back tho.

Yet kane selling out. Is one of the death knell blows to hiphop culture. Where amy artist who sells out in that manner movig forward. Will get their day of sellout death. Although it takes much longer.
to remove that level of sellout.
ala will Smith to ice cube to snoop to drake.



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