Biggest Misconceptions in Sports

[AJtheOne]

If "black" is Chinese for "overrated and not that great of a passer" then yes

 

[Mr Hate Coffee]

Momentum.

Momentum is very real.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I'm not convinced that it doesn't exist, necessarily. Rather, it's impossible to detect and random clustering is usually a better, more accurate explanation.

The basic idea of momentum is that past/recent events can and do effect the future/immediately proceeding events....a concept I consider entirely bunk.

I'd like to how you think this is all nonsense.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Momentum is very real.

Yeah it seems like somebody doesn't understand the basics of human psychological functions and the power of self-efficacy.

 

[HHR]

I'd like to how you think this is all nonsense.

I can't prove, or cite anything that proves that it doesn't exist....but as an abstract theory, it so liberally and arbitrarily applied that any potential existence is grossly overstated to the point of absurdity.

In football, one idea is that turnovers swing momentum.....but what happens if a turnover is followed by a 3-and-out? Or another turnover? What good was that "momentum"?

 

[HHR]

Yeah it seems like somebody doesn't understand the basics of human psychological functions and the power of self-efficacy.

 

[fifth column]

I can't prove, or cite anything that proves that it doesn't exist....but as an abstract theory, it so liberally and arbitrarily applied that any potential existence is grossly overstated to the point of absurdity.

In football, one idea is that turnovers swing momentum.....but what happens if a turnover is followed by a 3-and-out? Or another turnover? What good was that "momentum"?

If one turnover is followed by another than its a pendulum

 

[Mr Hate Coffee]

I can't prove, or cite anything that proves that it doesn't exist....but as an abstract theory, it so liberally and arbitrarily applied that any potential existence is grossly overstated to the point of absurdity.

In football, one idea is that turnovers swing momentum.....but what happens if a turnover is followed by a 3-and-out? Or another turnover? What good was that "momentum"?

Momentum isn't measured in absolutes. I look at it as a scale. Also, it's incremental. A turnover can change momentum but the other team can minimize the impact by forcing a 3 and out.

But say you have a turnover, followed by a 50 yard touchdown, followed by a recovered onside kick and you've got forces coming together that are pretty hard to overcome.

You can't treat each event like they only exist in a vacuum.

 

[HHR]

LOL

 

[HHR]

Momentum isn't measured in absolutes. I look at it as a scale. Also, it's incremental. A turnover can change momentum but the other team can minimize the impact by forcing a 3 and out.

But say you have a turnover, followed by a 50 yard touchdown, followed by a recovered onside kick and you've got forces coming together that are pretty hard to overcome.

You can't treat each event like they only exist in a vacuum.

The problem is that you're judging the effect/strength of this "momentum" on the outcome. If it truly existed like you say, it would be predictive.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I can't prove, or cite anything that proves that it doesn't exist....but as an abstract theory, it so liberally and arbitrarily applied that any potential existence is grossly overstated to the point of absurdity.

Bill Barnwell is that you?

I understand and agree in some fashion, yet those who use it out of turn (according to what you believe) shouldn't mean you have to take this limbo stance on whether it exists or not. And most certainly not rule it as nonsense.

In football, one idea is that turnovers swing momentum.....but what happens if a turnover is followed by a 3-and-out? Or another turnover? What good was that "momentum"?

It all depends on the context, the mental makeup of players involved, how the rules are enforced and the flow of the game - it can be transitory - it doesn't need to last longer than a 3-and-out after your defense forced a turnover. In saying that, I'd argue that forcing a turnover kills the momentum of the other team (providing the other team did have momentum in the first place), rather than actually creating momentum for your own team. There needs to be a generous pattern in which we can scale by; a 3-and-out certainly isn't for the offense but it can be for the opposing defense. Which is why it's harder to gauge when and how this changes in a team sport (especially one with as many players as football), as opposed to an individual one.

It simply isn't plausible to have just a "random cluster" of events in sports - humans aren't robots.

 

[HHR]

It simply isn't plausible to have just a "random cluster" of events in sports - humans aren't robots.

I wish you'd have led with this nonsense so I wouldn't have wasted time watching you talk yourself in a circle.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I wish you'd have led with this nonsense so I wouldn't have wasted time watching you talk yourself in a circle.

Yet you're the one who believes self-efficacy doesn't exist.

 

[HHR]

Yet you're the one who believes self-efficacy doesn't exist.

Quote where I even suggested that.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Quote where I even suggested that.

I'm not convinced that it doesn't exist, necessarily. Rather, it's impossible to detect and random clustering is usually a better, more accurate explanation.

The basic idea of momentum is that past/recent events can and do effect the future/immediately proceeding events....a concept I consider entirely bunk.