Biggie winning Lyricist of the Year over Illmatic era Nas unnapreciation...

[spliz]

why u sooooooooo worked up on this topic

for the last time imma take the long life / devoted friend statement over his part time DJ/producer

OK bro. We just gonna have to agree to disagree. Both these nikkas is dope so it don't matter.

 

[spliz]

breh - why are u still debating this (i done prove that the commission was nothing like the firm : it was gonna be a much better version of jr mafia)

charlie giving an interview a decade later saying she was gonna be part of this super group... is only to boost herself
of course she gonna only mention biggie (who considered the GOAT).... plus jay & puff (cause them 2 nikkaz are the most important / riches / powerful players in the history of hip hop) and not included un, cease& bleek. cam (might be the only one she may mention since they was gonna be label mates)



at the end of the day, your belief on biggie creating 'the commission' was him bitting off nas 'the firm' has been proven FALSE !!!!

Nah. Nothing has been proven false. And since he's not here to defend himself and the group never came together it's all speculation really. Like I said we just gonna have to agree to disagree. Lol

 

[Still Benefited]

nah bruh. You always say your biased opinion but leave out the fact that Big created an incredible street underground buzz when people heard him. He also got crazy cosigns from OG's because of his talent & was being pushed because he was nice. Everyone that heard him spit knew he was something special & that's how he got the push from Matty C with the unsigned hype feature. Not because he had some Puff hype machine behind him. Even your GOAT Pac attached himself to Big very early because he was a good dude & because he saw what everyone else saw cosigning his skills on the mic . Some of you guys are always revising history because either you're young & weren't there to see this or you just don't like him & wanna Big up your favorite artist or region.

So Nas wasn't nice?Nas didn't have a bigger street buzz/Nas wasn't being cosigned as something special moreso than Biggie?,Alotta nikkas aint have unsigned hypes?Lets not act like Biggie build up such a strong buzz before he came out,aint like he crushed the charts upon release.

I don't see where I revised history,at all, I never said Biggie wasn't nice...And I didn't say Puffy himself was the hype machine,im saying the musical hits he orchestrated(or stole) made the difference,that created the hype machine....Those hits got Biggie chosen over Nas because he was more commercially viable to be at the forefront and compete against the west as a solo artist

But I guess folks want us to believe Biggie winning lyricist of the year over Nas wasn't rigged?Guess they don't want us to remember Puffy being the brains behind the hits.

I wasn't saying Biggie didn't deserve to be signed,simply pointing out all the help he received,that red carept got rolled out like a mafuka

 

[Ziggiy]

It's crazy when we think of how absolutely blessed Hip Hop was in 95 where we can sit here and go PAGES about one GOAT level talent robbing ANOTHER GOAT level talent of a lyricist's award.


And not even a Grammy but a Source Award. From a magazine which, at the time truly represented something powerful and verifiable to the culture.




Nowadays we've got nikkas proudly using Ghostwriters getting nominated for Grammys, Cacs dissing Legends on ESPN, and CEO's shooting up the vans of the artists they've been molesting.....

 

[Knicksman20]

So Nas wasn't nice?Nas didn't have a bigger street buzz/Nas wasn't being cosigned as something special moreso than Biggie?,Alotta nikkas aint have unsigned hypes?Lets not act like Biggie build up such a strong buzz before he came out,aint like he crushed the charts upon release.

I don't see where I revised history,at all, I never said Biggie wasn't nice...And I didn't say Puffy himself was the hype machine,im saying the musical hits he orchestrated(or stole) made the difference,that created the hype machine....Those hits got Biggie chosen over Nas because he was more commercially viable to be at the forefront and compete against the west as a solo artist

But I guess folks want us to believe Biggie winning lyricist of the year over Nas wasn't rigged?Guess they don't want us to remember Puffy being the brains behind the hits.

I wasn't saying Biggie didn't deserve to be signed,simply pointing out all the help he received,that red carept got rolled out like a mafuka

Oh yeah Nas had a crazy street buzz. No doubt about it with him being called the second Rakim. I'm just letting you know Big had a very similar buzz & push because of the exact same thing (skillwise). I know you've watched the interviews & read them & saw people's reaction when they said they heard Big for the first time. I might be wrong but I think you minimized that & was implying Big didn't have/get similar treatment. And for the record if Nas would've won I would be fine with it because he was nice. 95 was a massive year for Big though with his singles & features he did. That was his year so I understand why he won. Puffy might've helped Big in getting him to make more radio friendly records but let's not forget Big had to have the talent & versatility to pull that off whereas Nas wasn't as good as Big in regards to that.

 

[kingofnyc]

Nah. Nothing has been proven false. And since he's not here to defend himself and the group never came together it's all speculation really. Like I said we just gonna have to agree to disagree. Lol

we can agree to disagree and but going by your criteria of what the firm structure, was the commission doesn't fit those same characteristics - so it is false

 

[patscorpio]

came across this clip on youtube.



on another note, anyone rember patra the dancehall artist? i probably wanted to nut in her even more than adina howard....

Breh those 2 women plus Myra from family matters brought me into adolescence

 

[Knicksman20]

Breh those 2 women plus Myra from family matters brought me into adolescence

Myra was

 

[spliz]

Oh yeah Nas had a crazy street buzz. No doubt about it with him being called the second Rakim. I'm just letting you know Big had a very similar buzz & push because of the exact same thing (skillwise). I know you've watched the interviews & read them & saw people's reaction when they said they heard Big for the first time. I might be wrong but I think you minimized that & was implying Big didn't have/get similar treatment. And for the record if Nas would've won I would be fine with it because he was nice. 95 was a massive year for Big though with his singles & features he did. That was his year so I understand why he won. Puffy might've helped Big in getting him to make more radio friendly records but let's not forget Big had to have the talent & versatility to pull that off whereas Nas wasn't as good as Big in regards to that.

I can't agree with the bolded. And obviously Nas proved alotta people wrong cause look at the success of his second album. Also. It's one thing for Biggie to win some awards. But for Nas to be what he was. To walk away with NOTHING bro?...like do u know how crazy that had to look?. I mean even Biggie himself was shocked at the shyt. Nas was the damn golden child. I know that nikka had to be feelin it. Not only did all those people dikkriding him NOT purchase the retail album and was bootlegging his shyt crazy. But the nikka got snubbed by the very same publication that gave him his 5 mics. Think about that bruh. Dude walked away with absolutely nothing. Like I said I was perfectly fine with Biggie getting album of the year. Even Biggie said that's what he was aiming for. But lyricist of the year over Nas? Not even Biggie understood that.

 

[Illeye buckmatic]

Biggie stans

 

[Knicksman20]

I can't agree with the bolded. And obviously Nas proved alotta people wrong cause look at the success of his second album. Also. It's one thing for Biggie to win some awards. But for Nas to be what he was. To walk away with NOTHING bro?...like do u know how crazy that had to look?. I mean even Biggie himself was shocked at the shyt. Nas was the damn golden child. I know that nikka had to be feelin it. Not only did all those people dikkriding him NOT purchase the retail album and was bootlegging his shyt crazy. But the nikka got snubbed by the very same publication that gave him his 5 mics. Think about that bruh. Dude walked away with absolutely nothing. Like I said I was perfectly fine with Biggie getting album of the year. Even Biggie said that's what he was aiming for. But lyricist of the year over Nas? Not even Biggie understood that.

I see both sides of it fam but agree Nas should've won lyricist of the year. I know you were around back then & you know Big had a monster year in 95. Which is why I think he got the nod (though it wasn't fair). Truthfully I believe some believed Big should've gotten 5 mics for R2D & were trying to "make good" on this & that's why he got the nod for lyricist of the year. But about the versatility/commercial aspect I stand by that statement I said fam. Nas was good at that but to me Big was better in that department & that's taking nothing away from him or his skill-set.

 

[spliz]

I see both sides of it fam but agree Nas should've won lyricist of the year. I know you were around back then & you know Big had a monster year in 95. Which is why I think he got the nod (though it wasn't fair). Truthfully I believe some believed Big should've gotten 5 mics for R2D & were trying to "make good" on this & that's why he got the nod for lyricist of the year. But about the versatility/commercial aspect I stand by that statement I said fam. Nas was good at that but to me Big was better in that department & that's taking nothing away from him or his skill-set.

See. My problem also was that when he did the second album. Knowing how he got jerked for his first one. There should've been more of an understanding. Instead he gets shytted on and criticized for doing what other artists got praise for. The whole scenario made Nas look at the industry and hip hop as a whole completely different.

 

[Knicksman20]

See. My problem also was that when he did the second album. Knowing how he got jerked for his first one. There should've been more of an understanding. Instead he gets shytted on and criticized for doing what other artists got praise for. The whole scenario made Nas look at the industry and hip hop as a whole completely different.

Very true. He should've gotten the nod in a "make good" move by the NY hip hop outlets because of that. I'm not sure if he pissed someone off or whatever but he got done dirty