Biggie winning Lyricist of the Year over Illmatic era Nas unnapreciation...

[spliz]

breh - i'm sorry to tell you once again YOUR WRONG !!!!

the commission was not going to be the way you just described what the firm was
the commission was going to be pretty much like jr mafia but with better rappers (not 3 rappers & a female)

1. biggie
2. jay
3. puff
4. un
5. lil cease
6. charlie b-more
7. eventually cam & bleek was gonna be added

ill leave out cam & bleek for now - cause that wasnt approve as yet but common knowledge was this being the 2 new mc's introduction to da game


so is 6 official participants a crew or a group
nevertheless it the commission structure or whatever you want to call it wasn't going to be nothing like the firm

on this topic

• i rest my case
• case has been dismissed
• have a good night

No u don't. Charli B More said out her own mouth. The Commission was Her. Jay. Biggie. And Puff. Matter fact. As recent as 2014 she has maintained this. I hope u not listing Lance Un Rivera like he was some type of artist. Don't play yaself fam. Lol. He more than likely woulda just been a producer. Thinking about it ur list is going off what Biggie said in the beginning of "What's Beef?" . When u look at it that way it's still only one more rapper extra. Lil Cease. Even with that said he's talkin on some real mafioso shyt. All of that wasnt really goin down for Jr Mafia. Jr Mafia as a crew wasn't nothing like how The Firm was. Or The Commission. Biggie was directly in The Commission. He was part of it. That was his supergroup. Jr Mafia was basically "Biggie presents..Jr Mafia.". It wasn't the same. Really all this shyt is speculation anyway cause of the conflicting stories since Biggie aint here. I know about the rumors of Cam and Bleek but like u said it wasn't confirmed. I also don't see why Charli would lie.

Charli Baltimore Recalls Jay Z, The Notorious B.I.G. & Diddy Planning To Form The Commission

Charli Baltimore says she was supposed to be a part of a group called The Commission, which was also set to include Diddy, Jay Z and The Notorious B.I.G.

Charli Baltimore Recalls Jay Z, The Notorious B.I.G. & Diddy Planning To Form The Commission

This conversation is going in too many different directions I'm starting to lose sight of the main point. Right now I think we just arguing to argue. Lol

 

[JayBaldacci]

"Live and let die hadn't even dropped yet" hmm neither did this nas song allegedly from 91, it was leaked much later. Pac has a track from 89 called "days of a criminal" talking about kicking kilos, offing cops, pimping etc.
I guess them two influenced the game with tracks NOBODY fukkin heard.

who said anything about influence? that had nothing to do with the argument.

 

[Grand_Verbalizer]

Cool man, so what was your point ?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

at this being mafioso

thats clearly mafioso rap

i guess ur definition of mafioso rap is different from minds ???

nas lyrics do go hard body on this - but IMO its just nothing more than hardcore rap

na. Hardcore is like ONyx. Nas shyt is mafioso

Mafioso rap is a hardcore hip hop subgenre founded by Kool G Rap in the late 1980s.[15] It is the pseudo-Mafia extension of East Coast hardcore rap, and is considered[by whom?] the counterpart of West Coast G-Funk rap. Mafioso rap is characterized by lavish, self-indulgent, and luxurious subject matter, with many references to famous mobsters, organized crime, materialism, drugs, and expensive champagne

 

[Grand_Verbalizer]

thats clearly mafioso rap

It's mafioso rap in the way Black Sheep's "U mean I'm not" is a gangsta rap record

 

[Grand_Verbalizer]

1. 
   H.S. negged you for your post in the thread Biggie winning Lyricist of the Year over Illmatic era Nas unnapreciation.... With the following comment: STFU
   8:13 AM
   
   Haha wow

 

[kingofnyc]

Bruh. He can watch the link. It's right in the thread. fukk is u talkin bout? Man shut up. fukk u talkin bout the type of shyt I do? I don't even know how u post outside of 2pac and Biggie threads cause that's all I ever see u in. Biggie and Jay didn't really know each other before the industry. Get over it.

this is the type of shyt that makes me NOT take the internet seriously

jay z childhood / life long friend says one thing YET u some random internet nikka says other




shyt is crazy

 

[spliz]

this is the type of shyt that makes me NOT take the internet seriously

jay z childhood / life long friend says one thing YET u some random internet nikka says other




shyt is crazy

nikka did u not see what DJ Clark Kent said? He produced the fukkin first track they ever got on together. he said what they said out their mouths when they met him. They didn't know the nikka like that. Just cause they went to school together don't mean shyt. There's nikkas that I went to high school wit that I barely remember. Biggie was a random kid in the 9th grade at that point nikka. Jay was a senior. They didn't have to be cool. If they were. U don't think Jay woulda been tryna get Biggie on his album? Biggie had RTD out already. And Jay was STILL hesitant. Clark Kent had to damn near beg them to put Biggie on it. Clark Kent did work for both Biggie and Jay. Why would the nikka lie? Damn near every story about how BK's Finest was created alluded to Biggie and Jay not really knowin eachother or eachothers writing process.

 

[spliz]

Here's another completely different interview with Clark Kent said basically the same thing.

Clark Kent

: I just freshly came off of tour with Big. We were doing Junior M.A.F.I.A.’s [debut album], and he heard the beat and went crazy. He was like, “I want the beat.” I was like, “Nah, it’s Jay’s beat.” He’s like, “You’re always giving this guy everything.” He wanted that beat real bad. I’m leaving the studio to go to D&D to track it for Jay, and Big’s like, “Yo, I want to be on that record.” So I was like, “Yo, just come with me.” So I went upstairs, and I left him downstairs. I was like, “Big wants to be on that record. Why don’t you put Big on that record? He heard the beat. He likes it.” Jay was like, “I don’t really know him like that.” And Dame was like, “I ain’t paying him, neither.” I was just like, Ah, okay. So then I’m like, “If I get him to do it for free would you do it?” He was like, “Yeah, we’ll try it.” So I run downstairs. I go get Big, bring him upstairs, and they met each other the right way, properly. And everybody was like, “Well, if you’re going to do it for whatever…” Jay changed the verses around right there, and was like, “This is where you go, right there. You ready?” Big was like, “I can’t do this right now!”

Two months later, Big came back with his verses. Days later, I was mixing it, and there was no hook. We were supposed to do the hook when we were mixing it. And Jay says, “All right, you got to scratch something.” I’m trying to find things to scratch and nothing’s working. So I’m telling Jay, “Yo, y’all gotta come up with a hook.” Jay and Big are there. We’re at Giant Studios. Big goes, “I’ll be back, I’m going to the store.” And then an hour goes by, and he doesn’t go back. Then Jay goes, “I’ll be back.” They leave me there and never come back. So it’s like three in the morning, I decided to write a hook, and I performed the hook. That’s my voice.

To me, that’s the best collabo I’ve ever heard. You would never think that Jay’s verses were done so far in advance. It feels like they did it together. Big and Jay were that talented, they could pick up on that line and go from that line.

I’d made the beat before for one of Damon’s groups. He had a group called the Future Sound, and I remixed the record with the same beat. And Damon said, “Yo, that beat is hot, give it to Jay.” So he says he produced it because he said give it to Jay. How ridiculous is that? But whatever, it’s all good. And then the other day he told me I jerked him because I didn’t give him publishing.

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Clark Kent one of the few cats telling the truth about what happened in that session imo. Especially when it came to Biggie's process. How he would leave and come back and record later. nikkas basically got caught up in a lie that they both recorded in the same room and was competing n all that. What Clark Kent said basically goes wit what Bone Thugs said his process was when he recorded wit them. nikkas like to hold up this myth about them 2 nikkas recording process for some reason. Like I said. They didn't know each other like that.

 

[kingofnyc]

the verse was about nas falling a sleep watching scarface and having a dream. He mentions having a thorough crew, iced out jewlery, a lambo, a 40 acre mansion, millions in cash in matresses, threatining juries, and pimping women.

this was 91. nobody was naming themselves gambino, frank white, escobar, giacanna,etc yet. live and let die hadn't even dropped yet.

fair enough, i'll give u that

but as said in here this song wasnt even heard till well after '95 (it is what it is)

and g rap 'rags to riches' in like 1989 -he was using mob name

 

[IllmaticDelta]

fair enough, i'll give u that

but as said in here this song wasnt even heard till well after '95 (it is what it is)

and g rap 'rags to riches' in like 1989 -he was using mob name

noone ever said Nas invented mafioso rap, everyone knows G Rap fathered that style but the myth that Nas got on some mafioso tip after hearing Biggie's RTD album is straight BS.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Wacky...


Biggie & Bad Boy didn't need any boosting by the time that award show happened. '95, especially that summer, was being dominated by them. It was Bad Boy, Death Row, and Wu-Tang... and then everything else. BIG just had that grip at the time...

Nas' "If I Ruled The World" was his version of "Sugar Hill" and "Sugar Hill" was AZ's version of "Juicy". Tha laidback 80s R&B formula in East Coast rap was that Bad Boy effect, breh. Before "Juicy", you didn't have that goin' on. After "Juicy"/"Big Poppa"/"One More Chance", you have Fat Joe rappin' over "Sexual Healing", AZ rappin' over "Sugar Free", Nas over "Friends", Kool G & Nas over "Happy", LL over "Lady In My Life", Foxy rappin' over "Gotta Get You Home"... a direct result of the Puff/Trackmasters/Chucky Thompson move, which was also brought on by the laidback Cali shyt that was hitting on radio at the time. I'm not sayin' nikkas were "biting", but it became a popular sound in rap, so naturally nikkas flowed with it. You can listen to what most of them dudes were doing musically during that time right before '94, and they sure weren't rappin' over '80s R&B hits.

I'm not tellin' you this like you don't know it, but you know, sometimes...

stop calling me wacky.

bad boy won more awards than death row & wutang combined that night. and a couple of those awards, they had no business winning. thats what i meant by boosting. that show was basically about bad boy. i see where the confusion came in on my part tho.

im not just talking about the '80s sample formula. im talking about the overall concept. sugar hill is nothing like juicy conceptually.
"if i ruled the world" was sugar hill all the way.

haha @ the last sentence.

 

[Knicksman20]

I aint ask you to ask my opinion,what kind of factual answer did you expect to get when you asked why I THINK Biggie wass privileged....Pinkys can explain away white privilege to and say its "my opinion"....Think I pointed out enough reasonable/undeniable reasons to explain why I think what I think ,if you don't like it?

Possibly bringing out that weak counter response?

nah bruh. You always say your biased opinion but leave out the fact that Big created an incredible street underground buzz when people heard him. He also got crazy cosigns from OG's because of his talent & was being pushed because he was nice. Everyone that heard him spit knew he was something special & that's how he got the push from Matty C with the unsigned hype feature. Not because he had some Puff hype machine behind him. Even your GOAT Pac attached himself to Big very early because he was a good dude & because he saw what everyone else saw cosigning his skills on the mic . Some of you guys are always revising history because either you're young & weren't there to see this or you just don't like him & wanna Big up your favorite artist or region.

 

[kingofnyc]

No u don't. Charli B More said out her own mouth. The Commission was Her. Jay. Biggie. And Puff. Matter fact. As recent as 2014 she has maintained this. I hope u not listing Lance Un Rivera like he was some type of artist. Don't play yaself fam. Lol. He more than likely woulda just been a producer. Thinking about it ur list is going off what Biggie said in the beginning of "What's Beef?" . When u look at it that way it's still only one more rapper extra. Lil Cease. Even with that said he's talkin on some real mafioso shyt. All of that wasnt really goin down for Jr Mafia. Jr Mafia as a crew wasn't nothing like how The Firm was. Or The Commission. Biggie was directly in The Commission. He was part of it. That was his supergroup. Jr Mafia was basically "Biggie presents..Jr Mafia.". It wasn't the same. Really all this shyt is speculation anyway cause of the conflicting stories since Biggie aint here. I know about the rumors of Cam and Bleek but like u said it wasn't confirmed. I also don't see why Charli would lie.



Charli Baltimore Recalls Jay Z, The Notorious B.I.G. & Diddy Planning To Form The Commission

This conversation is going in too many different directions I'm starting to lose sight of the main point. Right now I think we just arguing to argue. Lol

breh - why are u still debating this (i done prove that the commission was nothing like the firm : it was gonna be a much better version of jr mafia)

charlie giving an interview a decade later saying she was gonna be part of this super group... is only to boost herself
of course she gonna only mention biggie (who considered the GOAT).... plus jay & puff (cause them 2 nikkaz are the most important / riches / powerful players in the history of hip hop) and not included un, cease& bleek. cam (might be the only one she may mention since they was gonna be label mates)



at the end of the day, your belief on biggie creating 'the commission' was him bitting off nas 'the firm' has been proven FALSE !!!!

 

[kingofnyc]

nikka did u not see what DJ Clark Kent said? He produced the fukkin first track they ever got on together. he said what they said out their mouths when they met him. They didn't know the nikka like that. Just cause they went to school together don't mean shyt. There's nikkas that I went to high school wit that I barely remember. Biggie was a random kid in the 9th grade at that point nikka. Jay was a senior. They didn't have to be cool. If they were. U don't think Jay woulda been tryna get Biggie on his album? Biggie had RTD out already. And Jay was STILL hesitant. Clark Kent had to damn near beg them to put Biggie on it. Clark Kent did work for both Biggie and Jay. Why would the nikka lie? Damn near every story about how BK's Finest was created alluded to Biggie and Jay not really knowin eachother or eachothers writing process.

Here's another completely different interview with Clark Kent said basically the same thing.





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Clark Kent one of the few cats telling the truth about what happened in that session imo. Especially when it came to Biggie's process. How he would leave and come back and record later. nikkas basically got caught up in a lie that they both recorded in the same room and was competing n all that. What Clark Kent said basically goes wit what Bone Thugs said his process was when he recorded wit them. nikkas like to hold up this myth about them 2 nikkas recording process for some reason. Like I said. They didn't know each other like that.

why u sooooooooo worked up on this topic

for the last time imma take the long life / devoted friend statement over his part time DJ/producer