Bill Maher - "embassy should be in Jerusalem because Israel won the war"

[The Fukin Prophecy]

You have no idea what you're talking about

In fact your post applies to the Arabs in 1947 not the Jews

Half the refugees created in 1947 were before a single Arab army crossed the Jordan River

Act like Zionists were planning ethnic cleansing half a century before the Partition

You sand cac defense force clowns have a hard time understanding the concept of when you lose a war you lose territory...

The loser doesn't get to decide whats theirs and whats not...

The refugees you speak of were created by civil war which was sparked by sand CACs refusing to got a long with the 1947 UN partition plan...The 1947 UN partition plan was bullshyt and I totally agree with going to war over it...The civil war started in 1947 and in 1948 the surrounding sand CAC states Egypt, Jordan and Syria invaded...The invading forces took control of the sand CAC areas and agreed not to attack the settlements...In typical sand CAC fashion they lied, they immediately attacked Israeli forces and several Jewish settlements...The conclusion of this war lead to less land for Palestine...Here's the best part, it wasn't just the jews that took from the Palestinians, some of that land was annexed by their sand CAC brethren (Jordan)...and I believe Egypt also took control of Gaza...

Then in 1967 Egypt blocked the strategic Straits of Tiran and massed troops along with Jordan, Syria and Iraq pledging to once again wipe Israel off the map...and once again they failed, this time all it took was 6 days to whoop them...

You can keep crying about this being the zionist intent all along which I don't doubt, but the bottomline is they have only succeeded because the sand CAC infidel league keep losing...

 

[Oville]

People forget Israel struck first in the six day war and are still occupying the same areas.

This is the aspect that really bothered me about that discussion. He played into a one-sided account of the six day war when theirs other accounts and scholars out their would say that Israel was the provocateur in the conflict by brining tanks and expanding settlements into not only palestinian territories but areas of syria, lebanon, and the sinai peninsula because there are regions in those areas that also belonged to what was once ancient Israel. There is a contingent of zionism that have always advocated for a "greater Israel" and thats the part of the discussion that never gets considered when discussing this conflict.

 

[Oville]

And the ignorance Maher showed regarding international laws regarding annexation or indefinite occupation of land was astounding.

 

[Wargames]

See this is why a Maher Boycott needs to happen.

Breh aint really a liberal when it comes to minorities and outside of superhead he does not fukk with any people of color and would fit in on rightwing radio

 

[DirtyD]

 

[ill]

The comments section tore those tweets apart

Pretend Arab leaders didn't encourage Palestinians to leave, brehs.

 

[DirtyD]

The comments section tore those tweets apart

Pretend Arab leaders didn't encourage Palestinians to leave, brehs.

Example?

 

[50CentStan]

Maher is a hardcore Zionist acting like an aethiest

 

[ill]

Example?

 

[Grano-Grano]

It’s funny that he is so rah rah against religions, but at the same time has an almost religious affinity towards Israel. He always shyts on Catholics and Muslims, but never says a fukking word about the Jewish faith.

Bingo. Exactly!!!

 

[DirtyD]

Shlomo Ben-Ami is both an insider and a scholar. As Foreign Minister under Ehud Barak, he was a key participant in years of Israel-Palestinian peace talks, including the Camp David and Taba talks in 2000 and 2001. An Oxford-trained historian, his new book is “Scars of War, Wounds of Peace: The Israeli Arab Tragedy.”

AMY GOODMAN: You have some very strong quotes in your book, of your own and quoting others, like Berl Katznelson, who is the main ideologue of the Labor movement, acknowledging that in the wake of the 1929 Arab riots, the Zionist enterprise as an enterprise of conquest. You also say, “The reality on the ground was that of an Arab community in a state of terror facing a ruthless Israeli army whose path to victory was paved not only by its exploits against the regular Arab armies, but also by the intimidation and at times atrocities and massacres it perpetrated against the civilian Arab community. A panic-stricken Arab community was uprooted under the impact of massacres that would be carved into the Arabs’ monument of grief and hatred.” Explain that further.

SHLOMO BEN-AMI: Well, you see, there is a whole range of new historians that have gone into the sources of — the origins of the state of Israel, among them you mentioned Avi Shlaim, but there are many, many others that have exposed this evidence of what really went on on the ground. And I must from the very beginning say that the main difference between what they say and my vision of things is not the facts. The facts, they are absolutely correct in mentioning the facts and putting the record straight.

My view is that, but for Jesus Christ, everybody was born in sin, including nations. And the moral perspective of it is there, but at the same time it does not undermine, in my view, in my very modest view, the justification for the creation of a Jewish state, however tough the conditions and however immoral the consequences were for the Palestinians.

More from Ben-Ami

I am trying to be as fair as possible when I read the past, but it's a very interesting point, the one that you make here, about us trying to obliterate the memory of our war against the Palestinians, and the whole Israeli 1948 mythology is based on our war against the invading Arab armies, less so against the Palestinians, who were the weaker side in that confrontation, because it didn't serve the myth of the creation of the state and of the nation.

Israeli sociologist Baruch Kimmerling, whose 1970s dissertation and subsequent book was the first scholarly treatment of Israeli ethnic cleansing, has written the following in a 2004 online essay:

The conclusion was that, as in many other cases, what seemed at first glance a pure and limited military doctrine, proved itself in the case of "Plan D" to comprise far-reaching measures that lead to a complete demographic, ethnic, social and political transformation of Palestine. Implementing the spirit of this doctrine, the Jewish military forces conquered about 20,000 square kilometers of territory (compared with the 14,000 square kilometers granted them by the UN Partition Resolution) and purified them almost completely from their Arab inhabitants. About 800,000 Arab inhabitants lived on the territories before they fell under Jewish control following the 1948 war. Fewer than 100,000 Arabs remained there under Jewish control after the cease fire. An additional 50,000 were included within the Israeli state’s territory following the Israeli-Jordan’s armistice agreements that transferred several villages to Israeli rule.

The military doctrine, the base of Plan D, clearly reflected the local Zionist ideological aspirations to acquire a maximal Jewish territorial continuum, cleansed from Arab presence, as a necessary condition for establishing an exclusive Jewish nation-state.

Historians agree: Israel committed ethnic cleansing in 1948