Bill Maher Talking Reckles About Muslims on Jimmy Kimmel After Paris Attack

[jaydolf spitler]

Nobody should ever be harmed because of a picture.

tell that to Chamillionaire's ego

Spoiler: ...

 

[mrken12]

the fact that people can even begin to justify these killings by saying muslims were offended is mind boggling. kind of shows of crazy muslims actually are considering they seem to think its ok, since the prophet was dissed

You always have some bullshyt strawman argument in threads like these. You did the same for the thread about The Interview and North Korea.

 

[Fart Knocker]

You always have some bullshyt strawman argument in threads like these. You did the same for the thread about The Interview and North Korea.

at least you responded. i spent all day yesterday posting shyt in these threads and you are the first to respond.

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

There's a lot of things that shouldn't happen in this world but yet they still happen. Which is why most people are careful and don't put themselves in danger.

Exactly.

People shouldn't be harmed in general, but it happens every day.

Too many people think that they have the right to never be held accountable

 

[the cac mamba]

If this cac was really a liberal then he would let people practice whatever religion they like.

he does let them practice it

he doesnt let them murder because it's slighted ridiculous concept for 2015, i know

 

[YouMadd?]

I hope the only reason you let him use that example is because he was about to drill a hole in your mouth lol

He was speaking in generalities, but I'm at your comment. Dude was taking advantage of my vulnerability

 

[YouMadd?]

Oh look, here is a cartoon this guy drew depicting boko haram sex slave as welfare queens.. Yeah this racist piece of shyt was publishing bullshyt for profit. He isn't a hero...

http://negronews.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/CHARLIE-HEBDO.jpg

 

[Dr. Sebi Jr.]

Oh look, here is a cartoon this guy drew depicting boko haram sex slave as welfare queens.. Yeah this racist piece of shyt was publishing bullshyt for profit. He isn't a hero...

http://negronews.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/CHARLIE-HEBDO.jpg

The devil is trying to trick you into thinking it's "satire" breh.

http://gocomics.typepad.com/tomthed...n-non-satirical-defense-of-charlie-hebdo.html

In Non-Satirical Defense of Charlie Hebdo


It's important to remember how hard it is to understand satire created in another language and culture. For example, this Charlie Hebdo cover seems shocking and deeply offensive:







These are girls kidnapped by Boko Haram, saying "Don't touch our (welfare) allocations!" This cartoon has been used as an example of the vile, bigoted anti-Muslim animus of Charlie Hebdo.



But French people who know the entire context are saying it was meant and was understood to PARODY those who criticize "welfare queens." One way to look at it may be like a Colbert Report cartoon: take a right wing position and push it to the extreme to show its absurdity. This seems to me to be most likely the correct interpretation.



This brings up a response to the Charlie Hebdo massacre that has troulbed me: the notion that while the murders were wrong, Charlie Hebdo itself is not worthy of our defense.



Joe Sacco, a cartoonist I greatly respect, drew this cartoon that has been praised as nuanced and thoughtful.







Read the entire comic here.



But what exactly is he accusing Charlie Hebdo of? His grief came with thoughts about the "nature" of some of Charlie Hebdo's satire. Well, I'm not sure what that nature is, and I'm not sure Joe does either, but he describes it as "tweaking the noses of Muslims."



Well, what is that? Making fun of them as a people? Or making points they may not like? Or satirizing their religion? Or drawing pictures they may have religious objections to? It's a cartoon not an essay, so Sacco can't fully expand on this, but the fact that this is unclear undermines his point that it's a "vapid" use of cartooning.



Because creating art that has the effect of tweaking the noses of a group of people (Republicans, Communists, Catholics, dog owners, etc.) is pretty much what satire is.



He then draws two cartoons he thinks will "tweak the noses" of Western sensibilities, with the implication, "See? How do YOU feel?" For me, this utterly failed to make his point, because my reaction was mild disappointment, not offense or even existential outrage. If these images have caused outrage anywhere, I haven't seen it.









(He also implies Charlie Hebdo was hypocritical because it fired a cartoonist for an alleged anti-semitic column. This assumes that Charlie Hebdo is/was anti-Muslim, but I don't know that to be the case. They ran cartoons that offended many Muslims, but was it anti-Muslim?)



But I was especially disappointed in the final three panels, in which he asks us to consider why Muslims can't "laugh off a mere image." Well, just as it's hard for us to know the full editorial intent of Charlie Hebdo from a few re-published out-of-context cartoons, it's even more difficult to know whether or not Muslims are unable to laugh off these mere images.



It was not the Muslim community that killed those twelve people, it was two gunmen. I don't know how outraged Muslims were at Charlie Hebdo, but I would imagine their responses would be as greatly varied as they are irrelevant to the murders.



Sacco then imagines that Some would answer that Muslims can't laugh this off because "something is deeply wrong with them." But just as he's right that we must not generalize about Muslims in this way, it is also true that we should not generalize onto all Muslims an imagined response to the satire.



Charlie Hebdo and the Muslim community's reaction to it is a complicated issue. But the murders are not.



Twelve people were murdered because of the publication of ideas.



We can try to figure out what those ideas are, but it is irrelevant to our reaction to the murders.



We can look at the value of those ideas, but it is irrelevant to our reaction to the murders.



We can look at the affect of those ideas on a larger community, but it is irrelevant to our reaction to the murders.



Our reaction to the murders should be to defend the expression of those ideas.

 

[Turbulent]

the whole "Je suis Charlie" hashtag is absurd to me. imagine if some racist cartoonist magazine constantly made racist caricatures of black people stereotypes and in blackface and then fired whoever made fun of white people at their offices. and then one day, some mentally unstable black people merked them. now as messed up and racist as the mag would be, i wouldn't be for the killing of people strictly because they are racist and choose to express it. but now imagine if the whole world and hollywood started to put on black-face in solidarity.

this is pretty much the absurdity of what's going on right now on a lesser level.