Black Americans v Black Caribbeans v Black Africans: Confidence v Self-Esteem - Who Has It?

[skeetsinternal]

Yea I agree. I felt the difference when I came to the USA as a kid. I felt more aligned with Afridans than the African Americans that teased and bullied me in school. I felt pride in myself and felt African Americans purposely tried to pull me down to their level of dispear and conditioned in a way to have no esteem or pride .

 

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Never understood why Latinos was embedded in their society also and why these pointy nose white people was around y'all. I never seen a Latino and to me they was white and didn't know the difference

 

[Regular Developer]

Full episode
Cued to the host's question that draws the response @ 19:40

Did you watch the full thing or at least the part around it? I still don't think I'm on board with what he's saying @get these nets

 

[get these nets]

Did you watch the full thing or at least the part around it? I still don't think I'm on board with what he's saying @get these nets

Haven't watched the full episode, just wanted to know what he was responding to and the context of his comments.

Having heard that much, I still disagree with his opinions.

*And before watching the clip in OP, I misread /confused his name. I thought that he was maybe John Hope Franklin's grandson.

 

[Uachet]

".Yea I agree. I felt the difference when I came to the USA as a kid. I felt more aligned with Afridans than the African Americans that teased and bullied me in school. I felt pride in myself and felt African Americans purposely tried to pull me down to their level of dispear and conditioned in a way to have no esteem or pride .

You got this from children teasing you and carried it into adulthood? That is pitiful. Children have been teasing each other since the beginning of time. The sad part is that you're holding on to something children normally do as an adult.

Everyone has been teased about something as a child. For example, I was teased about being too dark. If I had carried that into my adulthood, I would have never attempted to date beautiful dark-skinned women and married one. It is really absolutely silly that so many of you hold on to this, that I am compelled to state "Therapy is an option".

 

[africngiant]

Yea I agree. I felt the difference when I came to the USA as a kid. I felt more aligned with Afridans than the African Americans that teased and bullied me in school. I felt pride in myself and felt African Americans purposely tried to pull me down to their level of dispear and conditioned in a way to have no esteem or pride .

true africans tend to be very well mannered growing up compared to the rest of everyone

 

[africngiant]

@Jcotton1

 

[Uachet]

true africans tend to be very well mannered growing up compared to the rest of everyone

Outstanding! Can I expect that you will not have a problem with Black Americans also delineating ourselves from you all, too? Since you have made it clear we are not true Africans, we can also make it clear that yes, we are not Africans. Win, win for all of us.

 

[High Art]

You got this from children teasing you and carried it into adulthood? That is pitiful. Children have been teasing each other since the beginning of time. The sad part is that you're holding on to something children normally do as an adult.

Everyone has been teased about something as a child. For example, I was teased about being too dark. If I had carried that into my adulthood, I would have never attempted to date beautiful dark-skinned women and married one. It is really absolutely silly that so many of you hold on to this, that I am compelled to state "Therapy is an option".

How is it pitiful to think that someone's experiences as a child shape how they are as an adult? Even more so when you still see a lot of the stuff that shape this person continuing into adulthood or at the very least the rhetoric and behaviors that said person was shaped by?

He's basically saying that he felt more aligned with a group that was not attacking him in a manner that was saying "you're not one of us", an idea that many other people, including adults promote.

That said, your example doesn't make sense. He aligned himself with the group that wasn't attacking him. You aligning yourself with dark-skinned persons is comparable to what he did. It would have been more "impressive" if you did the opposite and loved those that attacked you.

 

[Uachet]

How is it pitiful to think that someone's experiences as a child shape how they are as an adult? Even more so when you still see a lot of the stuff that shape this person continuing into adulthood or at the very least the rhetoric and behaviors that said person was shaped by?
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He's basically saying that he felt more aligned with a group that was not attacking him in a manner that was saying "you're not one of us", an idea that many other people, including adults promote.

That said, your example doesn't make sense. He aligned himself with the group that wasn't attacking him. You aligning yourself with dark-skinned persons is comparable to what he did. It would have been more "impressive" if you did the opposite and loved those that attacked you.

It is pitiful, because you have not grown beyond what happened to you when you were teased by other children. That is what is pitiful. You are an adult now, not a child. Adults should understand that children do childish things. If you are still holding on to what other children said to you as a grown person, you have a problem you may need professional help to get over.

So, yes, walking through adulthood holding on to how you were teased is pitiful. We can all give examples of being teased. No mature person takes that as an excuse for how you carry yourself as an adult.

Last, I don't care who he felt aligned with as a child. I am talking about his attempt to state that Black American children were trying to make him lesser, when all they were doing was what children normally do: teasing each other. So no, I am not going to let someone try to BS about what was going on in the mind of children, like they were thinking like adults when they teased him. I will point out the asinine nature of the assertion.

 

[High Art]

It is pitiful, because you have not grown beyond what happened to you when you were teased by other children. That is what is pitiful. You are an adult now, not a child. Adults should understand that children do childish things. If you are still holding on to what other children said to you as a grown person, you have a problem you may need professional help to get over.

So, yes, walking through adulthood holding on to how you were teased is pitiful. We can all give examples of being teased. No mature person takes that as an excuse for how you carry yourself as an adult.

Last, I don't care who he felt aligned with as a child. I am talking about his attempt to state that Black American children were trying to make him lesser, when all they were doing was what children normally do: teasing each other. So no, I am not going to let someone try to BS about what was going on in the mind of children, like they were thinking like adults when they teased him. I will point out the asinine nature of the assertion.

It's not pitiful because again, they drew distinction. What is he supposed to do, tell them he's not different? When they ask him where his parents are from, what is he supposed to say? When they ask him where he's from, was he is supposed to say? If he has an accent and they make fun of it, is he supposed to act like he doesn't have one or take pride in his accent and what it means to him? The response to teasing is to love himself and the things that make him himself and make him distinctive, that being the very things being made fun of. What happens when he does this? He will identify with someone else who has had to do this as well. And that's how he ended up identifying with other Africans. Shared experiences. By your logic, shared experiences and pushing back against teasing is pitiful. And that's weird.

 

[Uachet]

It's not pitiful because again, they drew distinction. What is he supposed to do, tell them he's not different? When they ask him where his parents are from, what is he supposed to say? When they ask him where he's from, was he is supposed to say? If he has an accent and they make fun of it, is he supposed to act like he doesn't have one or take pride in his accent and what it means to him? The response to teasing is to love himself and the things that make him himself and make him distinctive, that being the very things being made fun of. What happens when he does this? He will identify with someone else who has had to do this as well. And that's how he ended up identifying with other Africans. Shared experiences. By your logic, shared experiences and pushing back against teasing is pitiful. And that's weird.

I have made my point clear on this issue.. I considered it pitiful, and nothing you say will change that opinion. Just like my point has not changed, yours. So we will have to just agree to disagree.

If you are holding on to the childhood trauma of being teased by other children, you have my condolences. You do not have my sympathy, though, because you are an adult now and can seek out the help you need to overcome it. I will never accept an adult holding on to childhood teasing by other children as a reason for why they are the way they are as an adult.

 

[africngiant]

Outstanding! Can I expect that you will not have a problem with Black Americans also delineating ourselves from you all, too? Since you have made it clear we are not true Africans, we can also make it clear that yes, we are not Africans. Win, win for all of us.

you’re putting words in my mouth i never made any delineation between black americans and africans from a genealogical perspective. just as classified groups, africans are usually brought up to be more well mannered growing up compared to the other groups i’ve seen in america especially. it’s a testament to an overall western cultural problem that i have an issue with

 

[Umoja]

I always assumed that confidence and self-esteem are pretty much the same thing

You're not wrong.

Ironically, people like him rely on a lack of confidence to get by. They start with an ill-defined point and pile on the bullshyt. It is hard to prove him wrong because he isn't actually making a point. People don't challenge that because they don't want to look stupid by questioning something they feel they should understand.

 

[frush11]

Everyone is just goofy as fukk now.