Black Feminist: Black Patriarchy hurts everyone

[UpAndComing]

That is not true. There was a Black patriarchy in this country until the late 1960s. Black families and Black society used to be headed by Black men and it had been that way since slavery. This crap you are looking at now days is due to White feminism and government policies in the 1960s that financially incentivized lower income Black women and Black men to create and rear children without being married. Once the stigma was removed from unwed women having babies, which coincided with the "Great Migration" to cities then that is when the breakdown of the Black patriarchy occurred and family structure collapsed. Before then it used to be rare for Black women to head families.

If you don't believe what I am stating then find some older African Americans preferably in their 60s and 70s and you are going to get a history lesson. If you stop and think about it lower income African American families were part of a great failed government experiment. Now days all that people see is the carnage. They don't actually remember the situation before said carnage.

Yupp. Facts

 

[SupremexKing]

in order for a patriarchy to exist, there has to be the ability by the male of the group to control all 9 aspects of the society:

• the education (school),
• the finance(bank),
• the law (government),
• entertainment,
• labor,
• sex,
• religion,
• war

im trying to figure out when in the history of America as a sovereign nation has a black male held control over this for ANY group, let alone all the groups (which is what a patriarchy requires).

black women have been subsidized largely by the government in all these areas, to the point where open defiance has been normalized and is part of the black female culture.

the concept of a black patriarchy is totally null and void.

buzzwords, twitter lingo, miserable echo chambers, and a shared experience of failed relationships due to failing to understand the purpose of a man and a woman coming together (which is essentially a lack of accountability), does not validate any of these females talking points.

 

[Samori Toure]

Yupp. Facts

You can not convince modern day Black Americans that this current matriarchy structure that they see in their communities today is actually a relic of a failed government experiment on poor Black families. It is no different than the medical studies and experiments that used to be done on poor Black people last century without their consent. Even when you try to convince modern Black Americans that Black families were patriarchal and forced into this new matriarchal structure back in the 1960s due to direct government financial intervention that penalized poor families that had a father in the home they will not believe you. Here is proof in a nutshell of how the policies of the US Government killed Black people marriage rates and financially favored out of wedlock births in the Black community which is the now the norm:

Here is modern times:

BLACK MARRIAGE – BlackDemographics.com

POVERTY – BlackDemographics.com

 

[kingofnyc]

You guys are really uninformed not only about Black patriarchy, but about Black history too. Black men headed families, built the HBCUs and communities, because they were the elected officials during reconstruction and afterwards. Think about it for a minute. Black men were given the right to vote in 1870 as part of the 15th amendment. Black women did not gain the right to vote until 1920 as part of the overall women suffrage act which was the 19th Amendment, but even after that most Black women did not have the right to vote until 1965. So who do you think were the elected officials in the Black community from the "Reconstruction Era" until the 1960s?

'It's a Struggle They Will Wage Alone.' How Black Women Won the Right to Vote

So yes African Americans did have a Black patriarchy in this country. Yes their patriarchy propelled the Black community forward. Yes White people worked to destroy that patriarchy as a way to stop Black advancement. Yes a lot of Black women (not all) went along with that destruction and now everybody is complaining about something they all worked to topple.

When I made my previous post and explain what a patriarchy is … I felt no need to add the word “controlled” or “power” I assumed it was understood in the definition - apparently I was wrong

So let me explain to you or give you an example of what a patriarchal society looks like
- in many societies a man can make his daughter marry a man of his choosing without his daughters opinion, his wife opinion and any other woman’s within his family’s opinion - That’s what patriarchy looks like

The fact that you posted black men built HBCU’s, communities, businesses is all true what you’re not saying it’s that they was assisted by black women themselves to create and build these things as a matter of fact it was a small period of time In the early 1900s were there was more black woman millionaires then black man …. in a patriarchy society that could never exist

And what is the relevance of bringing up the fact that black men were able to vote 50 years before women - no black men was able to make that happen … the unfortunate irony is where I truly believe white women feminist felt a certain way about black men, so in the 1960’s they used that to trick black women into turning on us

 

[kingofnyc]

in order for a patriarchy to exist, there has to be control by the male of the group to control all 9 aspects of the society:

• the education (school),
• the finance(bank),
• the law (government),
• entertainment,
• labor,
• sex,
• religion,
• war

im trying to figure out when in the history of America as a soverign nation has a black male held control over this for ANY group, let alone all the groups (which is what a patriarchy requires).

black women have been subsidized largely by the government in all these areas, to the point where open defiance has been normalized and is part of the black female culture.

the concept of a black patriarchy is totally null and void.

buzzwords, twitter lingo, miserable echo chambers, and a shared experience of failed relationships due to failing to understand the purpose of a man and a woman coming together (which is essentially a lack of accountability), does not validate any of these females talking points.

some of these nikkaz on here actually think a patriarchy is when a man marries a women & that’s it

 

[Amerikan Melanin]

Any bytch that has patriarchy in their vocabulary must be avoided at all cost.

 

[Samori Toure]

in order for a patriarchy to exist, there has to be control by the male of the group to control all 9 aspects of the society:

• the education (school),
• the finance(bank),
• the law (government),
• entertainment,
• labor,
• sex,
• religion,
• war

im trying to figure out when in the history of America as a soverign nation has a black male held control over this for ANY group, let alone all the groups (which is what a patriarchy requires).

black women have been subsidized largely by the government in all these areas, to the point where open defiance has been normalized and is part of the black female culture.

the concept of a black patriarchy is totally null and void.

buzzwords, twitter lingo, miserable echo chambers, and a shared experience of failed relationships due to failing to understand the purpose of a man and a woman coming together (which is essentially a lack of accountability), does not validate any of these females talking points.

Black people lived largely in segregated communities for the most part after the Civil War so they had control over a lot of those things. We are always talking about Black Wall Streets that existed all over this country and Black owned banks and businesses and HBCUs, the power of Black churches, on and on and on. So Black people advanced under that patriarchy. I bet a lot of people don't even realize that African Americans even had a car manufacturing business (CR Patterson).

This whole defiance business in a lot of women (not all) and Black kids (not all) and incarceration for Black men is just part of the rudderless society that the White layered on top of low income Black people. It was a failed policy experiment and it explains how we got here.

 

[SupremexKing]

Black people lived largely in segregated communities for the most part after the Civil War so they had control over a lot of those things. We are always talking about Black Wall Streets that existed all over this country and Black owned banks and businesses and HBCUs, the power of Black churches, on and on and on. So Black people advanced under that patriarchy. I bet a lot of people don't even realize that African Americans even had a car manufacturing business (CR Patterson).

This whole defiance business in a lot of women (not all) and Black kids (not all) and incarceration for Black men is just part of the rudderless society that the White layered on top of low income Black people. It was a failed policy experiment and it explains how we got here.

those black communities were destroyed on the whim of white supremacists. I'm familiar with CR Patterson and sons, that was an outstanding achievement, but it is not an entire industry.

black owned banks are largely nonexistent. HBCUs are the most international colleges in the country. the black church today is a cesspool of homosexuality, infidelity and hypocrisy.

the power you are referring to is micro power. when it comes to actual power and the ability to both wage war and defend oneself, the community has been sorely lacking that. again the concept of patriarchy without force is null and void.

the defiance that comes from the women (the majority, so there's no point in talking about not all) affects the children directly. i see it on both an anecdotal and an empirical level, but that's irrelevant because i haven't discussed children. also i have no idea what an african american is.

the current situation FBA are in is not, in my opinion, due to failed policy, but purposeful policy. i think they thought about what they were doing before they did it, and in reality, the policy was a success, because look at our situation today.

if your argument was we were may have been doing slightly better back then, id be prone to agree, but your idea of a black patriarchy in a country where jim crow, redlining, the casual killing act and numerous other things that were created to disenfranchise us existed is not very accurate. patriarchy protects from disfranchisement.

 

[Man On Fire]

Yupp. Facts

The Great Society was an attack on Black Procreation

 

[Samori Toure]

those black communities were destroyed on the whim of white supremacists. I'm familiar with CR Patterson and sons, that was an outstanding achievement, but it is not an entire industry.

black owned banks are largely nonexistent. HBCUs are the most international colleges in the country. the black church today is a cesspool of homosexuality, infidelity and hypocrisy.

the power you are referring to is micro power. when it comes to actual power and the ability to both wage war and defend oneself, the community has been sorely lacking that. again the concept of patriarchy without force is null and void.

the defiance that comes from the women (the majority, so there's no point in talking about not all) affects the children directly. i see it on both an anecdotal and an empirical level, but that's irrelevant because i haven't discussed children. also i have no idea what an african american is.

the current situation FBA are in is not, in my opinion, due to failed policy, but purposeful policy. i think they thought about what they were doing before they did it, and in reality, the policy was a success, because look at our situation today.

if your argument was we were may have been doing slightly better back then, id be prone to agree, but your idea of a black patriarchy in a country where jim crow, redlining, the casual killing act and numerous other things that were created to disenfranchise us existed is not very accurate. patriarchy protects from disfranchisement.

We will have to disagree on the issue of patriarchy, because that was one of the defining points of African American lives in the USA. Stuff like slave rebellions and deadly race riots shows that Black men have fought against this system.

As for the failed policies I am not sure if White people intended some of the consequences, however that has been the result. The irony though is that the alleged governmental programs that were supposed to lift lower income Black women and Black children out of poverty by forcing Black men out of the household have actually cemented lower income Black women and children into poverty because Black men were forced out of the household.

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

The Black "community" post-1985 to today, is not a matriarchy.

It is even worse than that. It is a "hyper-matriarchy."

In a matriarchy, males have a secondary role to women/mothers in the household and communities, but nonetheless males do have roles (physical labor, protection, nurturing of boys, etc).

In a hyper-matriarchy, males are not needed except for reproduction. We have no roles otherwise, and are not desired to raise children in the household or community, or provide any leadership.

No other group of people on the planet are socialized in this manner.

 

[ViShawn]

The Black "community" post-1985 to today, is not a matriarchy.

It is even worse than that. It is a "hyper-matriarchy."

In a matriarchy, males have a secondary role to women.mothers in the household and communities, but nonetheless males do have roles (physical labor, protection, nurturing of boys, etc).

In a hyper-matriarchy, males are not needed except for reproduction. We have no roles otherwise, and are not desired to raise children in the household or community, or provide any leadership.

No other group of people on the planet are socialized in this manner.

Hyena society.

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

The Great Society was an attack on Black Procreation

Ironically, implementation of the public policies via President Lyndon Johnson's Great Society program, which basically obliterated Black fatherhood, came after his administration issued the 1965 Department of Labor Report titled: "The Negro Family: A Case For National Action". (now referred to as "The Moynihan Report" - named for its author Daniel Moynihan, who was Assistant Secretary for the Department of Labor at the time...and later became a United States senator from New York).

It was that report which highlighted the "Negro matriarchy" as a cause for government concern:

"That the Negro American has survived at all is extraordinary—a lesser people might simply have died out, as indeed others have. That the Negro community has not only survived, but in this political generation has entered national affairs as a moderate, humane, and constructive national force is the highest testament to the healing powers of the democratic ideal and the creative vitality of the Negro people.

But it may not be supposed that the Negro American community has not paid a fearful price for the incredible mistreatment to which it has been subjected over the past three centuries.

In essence, the Negro community has been forced into a matriarchal structure which, because it is too out of line with the rest of the American society, seriously retards the progress of the group as a whole, and imposes a crushing burden on the Negro male and, in consequence, on a great many Negro women as well."

The Johnson Administration ignored the Black fatherhood aspects of the Moynihan Report, and pushed ahead with "benign neglect" policies that subsidized African-American single motherhood from the mid 1960s until today (modern child support policies are an extension of the matriarchy financial support engineered by the Johnson Administration).

The Moynihan Report

 

[Wild self]

The Black "community" post-1985 to today, is not a matriarchy.

It is even worse than that. It is a "hyper-matriarchy."

In a matriarchy, males have a secondary role to women/mothers in the household and communities, but nonetheless males do have roles (physical labor, protection, nurturing of boys, etc).

In a hyper-matriarchy, males are not needed except for reproduction. We have no roles otherwise, and are not desired to raise children in the household or community, or provide any leadership.

No other group of people on the planet are socialized in this manner.

Notice the lack of female posters in this thread. None of them will ever touch this post.

 

[#1 pick]