Black Feminist Debates Catcalling On CNN

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Is there some insatiable urge to catcall women? Even if you feel it's a dumb movement, it will cause less issues to just stop doing it. I personally don't feel it needs to be made in to law, cuz I'm unsure how you'd enforce it, but it's quite annoying and I can do w/o it. That's not to say if you're at a party, or at school or something that you can't approach a woman respectfully if interested, but the catcalling really needs to cease.

Why don't you like catcalling, why can't I just tell you how beautiful you are while you're on your way to work?

Why can't you just woman up and deal with it?
 

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? Even if you feel it's a dumb movement, it will cause less issues to just stop doing it. I personally don't feel it needs to be made in to law, cuz I'm unsure how you'd enforce it, but it's quite annoying and I can do w/o it. That's not to say if you're at a party, or at school or something that you can't approach a woman respectfully if interested, but the catcalling really needs to cease.
Ok but again most of the men don't do it
 

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Is there some insatiable urge to catcall women? Even if you feel it's a dumb movement, it will cause less issues to just stop doing it. I personally don't feel it needs to be made in to law, cuz I'm unsure how you'd enforce it, but it's quite annoying and I can do w/o it. That's not to say if you're at a party, or at school or something that you can't approach a woman respectfully if interested, but the catcalling really needs to cease.
Its not just that it's a dumb movement. It's a racist movement pushing a racist agenda. What part of that doesn't register?
 

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Ok but so a greeting big deal? There's zero issue with a greeting its only when the guys cross the line . ( me personally I keep to myself but still ) Women complain about chivalry being dead and yet complaining about hellos ? It's considered polite to say hello and greet people the other stuff ( hey ma , hey beautiful or rude shyt is on the person and on upbringing )a law isn't needed to teach that . Many of these men ? The far majority of men say absolutely nothing to women and we should be what punished for them ?

You can hold a door open for a woman without saying a word, I do it all the time, they usually say "thank you" and I reply "you're welcome"

What is your solution to women who deal with street harassment, do you think they should just deal with it?
 

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Depends on the circumstances, and seeing something you like doesn't mean it's yours upon seeing it, also doesn't mean that, that something will like you back.

If she's walking from point a to point b, I won't tell her a word.

If she's in Walmart and we're both on the bread aisle, I might speak.

I hear you, but you do know some of these feminists might think your introduction is harassment right?

Whether shes walking down the street or looking for bread, shes still doing something either way...feminists might start saying women cant even shop in peace without countless men like matt504 "harassing" them.

In fact all it would take is for the girl you spoke to at a bread aisle to have a hidden cam on her coat and for other men to have tried talking to her in the store during the day, and just like that you might fck around and find yourself in one of those viral anti harassment campaign videos.

The problem here is some feminist are conflating real issues (stalking, excessive violent physical abuse) with bullsht "issues" like respectfully being told that they look beautiful, being told good morning, or someone throwing them a tame complement, its disrespectful to the women out here suffering from real harassment imo.
 

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Its not just that it's a dumb movement. It's a racist movement pushing a racist agenda. What part of that doesn't register?

The movement has been wildly successful in spite of it being racist, the only way to combat this is to provide women with an alternative solution that doesn't include legislation.

Any suggestions?
 

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most of the men in the world? US? NYC?
I live in NYC, it happens very often. And obv I'm not talking abt men that don't catcall :upsetfavre:
I live in nyc and for the amount of men you pass by in a day it's probably 100s or 1000s and you probably literally hear it a Small amount of times . I'm everywhere in the city ( except BX and SI ) I go weeks without hearing anyone catcall . The majority when I do hear are from people like construction workers or in "hood areas " . Saying hi isn't catcalling
 

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Allison in Massachusetts confronted a street harasser for the first time. A man said, “Smile beautiful,” as she waited for a bus. After freezing initially, she followed him and said, “Just so you know, it doesn’t make women feel good when you tell them to smile. Sometimes people have shytty days and they don’t feel like smiling. It’s offensive to just tell them to smile.” He apologized.

Elizabeth O. in Washington, DC, fought back against men who were harassing her and her friends by yelling, “EWWWW” and making hand gestures. The men were surprised and silenced.

JT in Turin, Italy, announced to the whole bus what her harasser had just asked her (for a pair of her panties) and he got off the bus at the next stop in embarrassment.

RDH in Tennessee was walking home after dark and a car started creeping behind her. The driver lowered the car window and asked if he could “hollar” at her. RDH was scared, but she still stood up to him. She asked him how he would like it if his mother or sister was walking and some random stranger came creeping up behind them. She ended up getting an apology.



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I do agree that their are brothas out their who cant really take rejection. I know some sistas have to deal with dudes hounding them looking for some quick booty. So their are legitimate complaints/gripes when it comes to street harassment. I've seen some brothas go a little overboard tryna holla at some girls before. Just begging for a number. And when rejected, some react in an unfavorable way to save their ego. Yes that does exist.


My issues with alot of what some of these black feminist are saying is that all black men are not just going to greet and keep it pushing or holla and get denied and just move on. From what ive seen it appears that alot are saying black men are AUTOMATICALLY going to harrass and curse her out or physically harm them, even kill them. It paints the image of the hyper sexual black male who has no self control and seeks to abuse women. I just cant stomach that kind of generalization.


But i want sistas to know that I do care. I do want solutions.
 
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