Black male slaves had more privilege than the white women that owned them? See OP

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This is a good question. Rejecting it ideologically enmass is a start. And rejecting those who attempt to align it with the social and economic progress of black people. Many of these people agree with WS ideologies, like white feminism, that is how it is allowed to fester. If black folks said, we're not with you and stay out of our business they wouldn't be allowed to get in.

How do you think some black people pick up these beliefs in the first place? And what can we do to stop that from happening in the first place?

My opinion is this is picked up in college because they have a lot of women's studies classes which have an inherent white woman bias.

I don't think getting rid of feminist classes in liberal arts colleges is feasible, but maybe we should push schools towards having more black women's studies classes, that are more aligned with our culture.
 

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How do you think some black people pick up these beliefs in the first place? And what can we do to stop that from happening in the first place?

My opinion is this is picked up in college because they have a lot of women's studies classes which have an inherent white woman bias.

I don't think getting rid of feminist classes in liberal arts colleges is feasible, but maybe we should push schools towards having more black women's studies classes, that are more aligned with our culture.

We would need more black teachers or black people in control of curriculum ( and black schools). We need black women with no skin in the white supremacy game to run these classes ect.

I also think we need black masculine studies courses to coincide with these. Both of us go through things as a result of WS and shyt just life. We benefit from understanding both sides.

All of these issues seem to stem from imbalance, misogyny, misandry. All of it.


I think people develop these thoughts through searching for it. I mean searching for more people who have the same experience and agree with someone else being The issue. The issue is people are looking for spaces that agree with the issues they themselves have. Look at incels. They are finding places that support this solipsism they have, their view is right ect. It would seem many of these black women who claim to be feminists in the modern era are just mad at black men they themselves have known, who may have been pieces of shyt, but clearly aren't all black men.

I think black women need to get together and say, ok....this is what who we are, this is what effects us. How much of this comes from place 1, place 2, place 3 ect.

I think black men need to so the same. And then both need to come to a agreement that, they can not only coexist (I don't mean in the sense of destroying each other) But in the sense that they can both take issue with each other and also help each other with solutions. This takes terrible amounts of self reflection and accountability.

Big problem is that White Supremacy as an ideology and a physical thing is very far reaching, it's like the Thing (Great movie if you have never seen it.) You don't know who is infected with it and to what degree. Hence why I mentioned a need for black psychologists in another thread. The whole of black progress, co-existence and liberation will start in the mind.

That being said I think we need to stop involving other people in our business. Do we have issue to hash out? Yes but to think other groups will help us figure it out, they can't and won't. Nor do they have any vested interest in doing so. That's one.

Two. Like @Booksnrain said, there are folks in our community who are mad at each other and will use platforms created by whites to push their issue and be proven right. In this case that maybe thier crush didn't ask them to prom, or they got rejected for a date... they were called black and ugly or not black enough or what ever. Now we know where this comes from and what we need to know is how to deal with it. Again I think mental health comes into play. These people are not exorcising their past experiences and coming to terms with it.

Three we look at our selves and apologize to each other for the shyt we did, failed to do and were complicit in. We need forgiveness among black men and women. We admit our wrong doings, apologize accept and move past it as best we can.

I know this is long winded and not as concise as you may have wanted but this is my thought on the matter. It's a long road.
 
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Now you know why feminists hate black men so much.

They hate having their petty victim narratives undermined by the historical atrocities of racism. Its en vouge to try to nudge these half ass "movements" into comparisons/synonyms for the civil rights movement people have died for and still do. The idea of them not being to play the ultimate victim is short circuiting their brains



"Gosh tryrone I wish you would get over that slavery crap it was soooo long ago. That was nothing compared to the opression I felt last week when chad said I looked fat in my dress."

They are forcing themselves to be jealous of our "victimhood" that none of us asked for.

The mental gymnastics is astounding :wow:
 

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Mulatto WAS a racial classification, especially in those times. White women headed plantations. You need to STOP

WHEN THE CENSUS STARTED THERE WERE 3 CLASSIFICATIONS FOR RACE. WHITE, FREE PERSON OF ______DESCENT, AND SLAVE. MULATTO WAS NEVER A CLASSIFICATION ON CENSUS BUREAU DOCUMENTS. BIRTH CERTIFICATES AT THIS TIME WERE CONTROLLED BY THE STATE SO THERE WERE DIFFERENT RULES FOR DIFFERENT STATES AND EVEN DOWN TO THE CITY LEVEL. BLACK MEN WITH WHITE FATHERS WHO SIGNED THE CERT WERE CLASSIFIED AS BLACK ON CENSUS FORMS IN THE MAJORITY OF SOUTHERN STATES BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T READ OR WRITE. THEIR FORMS WERE FILLED OUT BY CENSUS TAKERS. YOU HAD TO SHOW BIRTH RECORDS IN ORDER TO BE CATEGORIZED ANY OTHER WAY. IN THE MID 1800'S THE 1 DROP RULE CAME INTO EFFECT AND REGARDLESS OF THE FATHER'S LINEAGE, EITHER PARENT BEING BLACK MADE YOU BLACK. MANY BLACKS WERE SUED AND HAD LAND TAKEN AWAY BECAUSE OF THIS. MIXED RACE DIDN'T BECOME A THING UNTIL ABOUT 1910 AFTER A FEDERAL INITIATIVE TO STANDARDIZE BIRTH CERTIFICATES/CENSUS INFORMATION. I HAVE CENSUS PAPERS TO BACK UP WHAT I SAY. I'VE SPENT HUNDREDS OF HOURS DOING RESEARCH ON THIS WHEN I DID MY ANCESTRY RESEARCH.

WHITE WOMEN HEADED PLANTATIONS WHEN THE HUSBAND DIED AND IT WAS DEEDED TO HER VIA WILL.
 
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WHEN THE CENSUS STARTED THERE WERE 3 CLASSIFICATIONS FOR RACE. WHITE, FREE PERSON OF ______DESCENT, AND SLAVE. MULATTO WAS NEVER A CLASSIFICATION ON CENSUS BUREAU DOCUMENTS. BIRTH CERTIFICATES AT THIS TIME WERE CONTROLLED BY THE STATE SO THERE WERE DIFFERENT RULES FOR DIFFERENT STATES AND EVEN DOWN TO THE CITY LEVEL. BLACK MEN WITH WHITE FATHERS WHO SIGNED THE CERT WERE CLASSIFIED AS BLACK ON CENSUS FORMS IN THE MAJORITY OF SOUTHERN STATES BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T READ OR WRITE. THEIR FORMS WERE FILLED OUT BY CENSUS TAKERS. YOU HAD TO SHOW BIRTH RECORDS IN ORDER TO BE CATEGORIZED ANY OTHER WAY. IN THE MID 1800'S THE 1 DROP RULE CAME INTO EFFECT AND REGARDLESS OF THE FATHER'S LINEAGE, EITHER PARENT BEING BLACK MADE YOU BLACK. MANY BLACKS WERE SUED AND HAD LAND TAKEN AWAY BECAUSE OF THIS. MIXED RACE DIDN'T BECOME A THING UNTIL ABOUT 1910 AFTER A FEDERAL INITIATIVE TO STANDARDIZE BIRTH CERTIFICATES/CENSUS INFORMATION. I HAVE CENSUS PAPERS TO BACK UP WHAT I SAY. I'VE SPENT HUNDREDS OF HOURS DOING RESEARCH ON THIS WHEN I DID MY ANCESTRY RESEARCH.

WHITE WOMEN HEADED PLANTATIONS WHEN THE HUSBAND DIED AND IT WAS DEEDED TO HER VIA WILL.
I have receipts, too.
 

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well it's not affecting madden, the general p*ssy supply, the ability to simp, or nikkas ability to "I got mine, so I'm good"...
so they'll be sleep, or they'll adapt like fukk nikkas.
And this how brehs keep getting blindsided. It started off small but now you got ESPN, Cnn, Washington post etc hopping on the bandwagon pushing an agenda. After the election you had a CNN pundit tried push an agenda and it didn't go how she thought it would, all of sudden the narrative gets shifted "focus on the majority" "exit polls are not accurate ". I mean if this was the case why even bother highlighting Bm if you know all of this, but they know you get way more clicks and support by putting the crosshairs on Bm.
 

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I've never heard such nonsense before, but I'd imagine there's a person stupid enough to make just about any statement. :yeshrug:
Edit: I can see this thread has devolved into some kind of nonsense, I'll see my way out :hubie:
 

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I mean, male privilege was definitely a thing back then regardless of social status, however it's disingenuous to compare the privilege of male slaves to white women. I understand the underlying comparison of womanhood to chattel, but that in itself dismisses a non-enslaved woman's own agency. And I say "non-enslaved" because what does that argument say about enslaved women? Are they saying there's no difference???

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Black males were not considered human ......male privy was not in play for African slaves ......stop it:gucci:
 

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it doesn't matter whether or not it's rejected community wide or accepted, it'll be pushed through regardless

and when you have nothing for people to fall back on besides flimsy surface level kinship, the end result is chaos and continued dysfunction.

To push aside any gender will also rope in other black people as well.

This is a good question. Rejecting it ideologically enmass is a start. And rejecting those who attempt to align it with the social and economic progress of black people. Many of these people agree with WS ideologies, like white feminism, that is how it is allowed to fester. If black folks said, we're not with you and stay out of our business they wouldn't be allowed to get in.
 

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it doesn't matter whether or not it's rejected community wide or accepted, it'll be pushed through regardless

and when you have nothing for people to fall back on besides flimsy surface level kinship, the end result is chaos and continued dysfunction.

To push aside any gender will also rope in other black people as well.
We can agree to disagree.:yeshrug:
 

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WHITE WOMEN COULD NOT OWN LAND THAT WAS NOT DEEDED TO THEM BY A MAN IN MOST STATES AT THAT TIME. WOMEN COULD RECEIVE LAND ONLY THROUGH ESTATE TRANSFERENCE. IT COULD NOT BE SOLD TO THEM. THAT'S HOW HE GOT HIS LAND. THE MAN'S WIFE COULD NOT TAKE POSSESSION OF THE LAND BECAUSE THROUGH PROBATE BECAUSE THE LAND IS DEEDED TO THE FIRST BORN MALE. NORTH CAROLINA DID NOT HAVE POWER OF ATTORNEY LAWS AT THAT TIME. WITH NO WILL THE LAND GOES TO THE SON OF THE MAN.

THIS WAS ON A STATE BY STATE BASIS. THE STORY IS RARE BUT IT HAPPENED AND THEY WERE USING IT TO FUND THEIR BS. I SAID THIS IN THE ORIGINAL STATEMENT.

...now re-read what you just said, Fammo:

It had to be some Level 2, magic, follow-the-trail-of-the-rapist type chit for your folk to be a Black man to get land back in that day...
...but a White Woman just had to have it deeded to her - which happened all the damn time. That's why it's dumb as Santa Claus coming on Easter for somebody to think Black males ever had any latent condition of "privilege" over White women in any place American ships ever docked...
 
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