Black people need more patriarchy not less

[CopiousX]

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You said African countries have "barely literate populations" and "weak institutions," but you intentionally stripped away why those conditions exist to imply the deficiency is internal. Those are not neutral descriptions. It's the same kind of racist colonial framing we've been hearing forever. Pretending it has "nothing to do with intelligence" while invoking literacy and institutional failure is just a rhetorical fig leaf.

Trying to dismiss structural reality as a "white man is Thanos theory" shows how much of a joke you are. Trying to dodge historical accountability and avoid engaging with documented systems of extraction, destabilization, and imposed economic policy, so you can preserve your idiotic narrative, isn't an argument -- it's just handwaving something away that you can't explain. Your Palestinian analogy is irrelevant and intellectually dishonest. You can't use one oppressed group's survival response to deny the structural causes shaping another.

You're also contradicting yourself. You say you're not interested in what caused it, yet you claim the cause is gender dynamics. What is that? Are you just looking to push an ideology or what? Because if you're really serious about fixing something, you can't ignore the actual cause.

Illiteracy is a fact bro. It comes from poor schooling systems. These schooling systems are an institution. A continent cannot thrive with a 68% literacy rate. It is what it is.

It has nothing to do with the inherent intelligence,

Spoiler: the true issue

but has more to do with corruption and a bad priorities from the leaders in 80percent of african countries. You are seeing things in @BlackJesus ' comment that aren't there.

It could be solved tomorrow if they had better leadership to support institutions.

Spoiler: an example of good institutions...

For example you have a leader like kagame, who for all his authoritarianism really prioritized education by setting his country up as a tech hub, acquireing student training partnerships with Western firms, and eliminating the corruption




You see something very similar with traore stopping corruption from Damiba That was previously sapping school funds and you see it in his nuclear education initiative.

A direct contrast to these nations

Spoiler: example country with bad institutions

is a country like Kenya, who should have been doing everything kagame has done. But Rather than building up their institutions, They have actively destroyed them. Part of the protest from earlier this year was specifically because Kenyan politicians looted the existing school system set up by a previous president (kibaki) . Now this looting of educational institutions has led to fewer students being able to go to gradeschool and a lot of defunding of higher education.

Obviously literacy rates and college graduation rates will go into the dumpster if nobody is funding these systems.

Thats Why i don't buy your story about white people doing things because many of these issues are self-inflicted wounds. Irrespective of whatever the British did prior to the 1960s or current neocolonial fckery, a former president kibaki built a functional school system that allowed everyone to go to school for free and he personally set college education as a priority. The British did not make their current president Ruto pillage the school system in 2024. Similarly the belgians had nothing to do with kagame prioritizing education and ending corruption. Another great story is botswana.

While its important to acknowledge the shoddy base that was built by colonial powers; It's disingenuous of us to ignore the poor institutions that were conciously created by poor leadership 50-60 years later. The actions of later leaders who set up proper institutions is why You have a handful of countries which are actually changing for the better despite western opposition.

So it can be done irrespective of white people. @BlackJesus is right. The deficiency is internal. Not internal to the individual African, But internal to the weak institutions and bad leadership of their govts

 

[BlackJesus]

You said African countries have "barely literate populations" and "weak institutions," but you intentionally stripped away why those conditions exist to imply the deficiency is internal. Those are not neutral descriptions. It's the same kind of racist colonial framing we've been hearing forever. Pretending it has "nothing to do with intelligence" while invoking literacy and institutional failure is just a rhetorical fig leaf.

Yes, because those are matter-of-fact statements. Most of sub-saharan Africa has low literacy rates. In Niger and Chad it doesn't even reach 50%. This is'nt "racism" it's just what it is right now. Crying about white men and what they did does'nt change that current reality.

I completely reject the "black victim" explanation not for the past, which is unchangeable, but why things need to stay as they are. We are not static entities held in place by historical misfortune but dynamic, problem solving, thinking persons capable of transformation, growth and ultimately freedom. This extends to both nations and individuals.

This is why I'm uninterested in the causes, as everyone knows the causes and repeating them here amounts to little more than performance art. I'm more interested in the solutions.

Trying to dismiss structural reality as a "white man is Thanos theory" shows how much of a joke you are. Trying to dodge historical accountability and avoid engaging with documented systems of extraction, destabilization, and imposed economic policy, so you can preserve your idiotic narrative, isn't an argument -- it's just handwaving something away that you can't explain. Your Palestinian analogy is irrelevant and intellectually dishonest. You can't use one oppressed group's survival response to deny the structural causes shaping another.

You sure are whiny huh? Look I am a problem-solution oriented thinker. I don't care about your crying. Here's a handkerchief son, cry some more.

The thing you deny is that while we can't control the thing that happens to us, we can control the way we react to things.

The Palestinian analogy shows that pretty powerfully. They are a resilient, strong people who know how to stay together even when "structural forces" want to stop that. I'm more interested in knowing how they do this, so I can apply it to my (black) people, than hearing you whine.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Yes, because those are matter-of-fact statements. Most of sub-saharan Africa has low literacy rates. In Niger and Chad it doesn't even reach 50%. This is'nt "racism" it's just what it is right now. Crying about white men and what they did does'nt change that current reality.

I completely reject the "black victim" explanation not for the past, which is unchangeable, but why things need to stay as they are. We are not static entities held in place by historical misfortune but dynamic, problem solving, thinking persons capable of transformation, growth and ultimately freedom. This extends to both nations and individuals.

This is why I'm uninterested in the causes, as everyone knows the causes and repeating them here amounts to little more than performance art. I'm more interested in the solutions.



You sure are whiny huh? Look I am a problem-solution oriented thinker. I don't care about your crying. Here's a handkerchief son, cry some more.

The thing you deny is that while we can't control the thing that happens to us, we can control the way we react to things.

The Palestinian analogy shows that pretty powerfully. They are a resilient, strong people who know how to stay together even when "structural forces" want to stop that. I'm more interested in knowing how they do this, so I can apply it to my (black) people, than hearing you whine.

You're not "solution-oriented." You're pushing a narrative designed to erase the conditions that have to be addressed in order to build actual solutions, because serious solutions require serious understanding. And you're not a serious person. Calling structural analysis "crying" is just a tactic weak-willed people use to erase reality so they can replace it with ideology.

Your Palestinian analogy actually proves the opposite of what you think. You're comparing two entirely different historical realities to shame Black Americans into accepting your shallow "matriarchy" narrative. You're performing, not analyzing.

A person genuinely interested in solutions, would start with material conditions: wealth extraction, incarceration, political disenfranchisement, economic isolation, and so on. You haven't addressed a single one of those. Instead, you reduce a systemic problem to a gender theory because it's the only thing you know how to grasp.

Coli nigcel babble

I doubt you're Black too. No Black person is using this 4c*** shyt. It would explain why you are so against recognizing the reality of this country.

 

[BlackJesus]

You're pushing a narrative designed to erase the conditions that have to be addressed in order to build actual solutions, because serious solutions require serious understanding.

What more is there to understand? Aren’t whole books extensively written on the material conditions of Africa, neo imperialism and colonialism? This has been done ad nauseum for the last 100 years. At this point what you advocate is mental masturbation.

I studied environmental history and african ecology in college, I know the causes far more than you could imagine I do.

And I still don’t care. I just look at things differently.

Your Palestinian analogy actually proves the opposite of what you think. You're comparing two entirely different historical realities to shame Black Americans into accepting your shallow "matriarchy" narrative. You're performing, not analyzing.

Well everyone’s struggle is a different reality. This doesn’t invalidate comparisons and it doesn’t mean we can’t learn anything. Koreans and Chinese struggled differently in WW2, but both fell victim to Japan. Studying their reactions to struggle helps us derive insight.

But no, you’d rather just cry about it I guess.

A person genuinely interested in solutions, would start with material conditions: wealth extraction, incarceration, political disenfranchisement, economic isolation, and so on. You haven't addressed a single one of those. Instead, you reduce a systemic problem to a gender theory because it's the only thing you know how to grasp.

You’re not going to prescribe and police the way I think and respond with problems. I get it, you do so by crying. I don’t respond by crying. I look at causes, but more importantly I look at strategies. If something doesn’t work, you don’t just cry about it and also cry about others who have ideas on how to fix it.

You are posturing as some champion of pro-blackness highlighting and deconstructing the holes in my arguments but really you’re sort of just a useless whiner.

And that’s far worse even than doing nothing.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

5 years later... Safe to say OP was correct


Got to go by the math... The math is saying this is absolutely true

 

[O.T.I.S.]

And oppressed


Women in America are the “free-est“ they’ve ever been in the history of the world... And it shows.

Thats why women from other countries come HERE to act an ass.. Not they home.

And they still somehow, have an understanding of the importance of the traditional family structure.


Not here though... Of course

And all the stats and data on earth can’t convince some

 

[Legend27]

Ya'll wanna be the oppressor so bad



Crazy how "creative" the community is supposed to be yet most of ya'll can't think of any way to live outside of following behind the same people you claim are evil in any other conversation.

Starting to see many don't actually hate WM...they envy them.

Quoted for emphasis

 

[Scaaar]

Black people need to unite and do whats best for our children. That means raising them collaboratisucceed. The same household in a way that gives them the best chance to succed.

It means only nutting in a woman when you plan on raising children with her together instead because you were bored on a Thursday.
It means being a well adjusted human being with boundaries and standards that can communicate and manage their emotions before choosing to bring another life in this world.

Patriarchy wasn't the reason we made it through the trauma that is America history, uniting for our families is.
Patriarchy does not have a single example of being successful while not being repressive.


Some yall want to be the rabbit with the gun. The problem is youre not going to use the gun to shoot the hunter, youre going to use it to shoot another rabbit.

Exactly! It's funny how the ones screaming the most about it also are the same ones that spread the most anti black women content on the site. They're the leaders of the GMB/HOH club but also be whining about the lack of quality women in their 30s and up. These dudes are overly emotional and I see why women aren't choosing up to follow some of y'all. Y'all are barely leading yourselves high quality outcomes in life but you still feel entitled enough thinking that you deserve a woman under you because you're a dude. Some of y'all sound just like whyte men. No wonder y'all fell so easily to that red pill talk.

 

[™BlackPearl The Empress™]

Black men oppressors?
Black men trying to follow behind white people?
You think black men want to be white?

It sounds like you projecting your insecurities, you need to heal before inserting yourself into these types of discussions about what the black community supposed/should to be

Sounds like you have reading comprehension issues. Perhaps you should work on that before you give clinical diagnosis that you clearly aren't qualified to make.

Attacking the person instead of the argument is a sign of low intelligence and also reveals that you can't actually defend your point.

 

[Scaaar]

Women are the choosers my guy. Don't be disingenuous

So are you saying that men don't control who they raw dog and nut in? You're the patriarch and supposed to lead but that's where the line is drawn huh

 

[NobodyReally]

Count the number of threads complaining about gold diggers and tricking on women. Patriarchy DEMANDS that men provide. Y'all are not ready for that conversation. Patriarchy sucks for everyone but especially for men. But yeah, get that head of household cred then shut the fukk up about paying for it because that's what you wanted.

 

[Scaaar]

Count the number of threads complaining about gold diggers and tricking on women. Patriarchy DEMANDS that men provide. Y'all are not ready for that conversation. Patriarchy sucks for everyone but especially for men. But yeah, get that head of household cred then shut the fukk up about paying for it because that's what you wanted.

Right! These are the same dudes that always say they're not paying for a first date and they're not doing anything for a woman. But at the same time they want to be respected and seen as the leader of a household. They want all the praise, daps, and credit but none of the actual burdens or responsibilities of leadership. They're unserious men no wonder they're all being looked over.

 

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[Gritsngravy]

Sounds like you have reading comprehension issues. Perhaps you should work on that before you give clinical diagnosis that you clearly aren't qualified to make.

Attacking the person instead of the argument is a sign of low intelligence and also reveals that you can't actually defend your point.

All I’m saying is with the mentality/think process that you showed in your post before is problematic

Your highkey the problem too, you sound crazy as hell, just like some of these other goofies on this site with that rhetoric you spewing

I’m just putting you on game it’s never too late to reevaluate things, come to better conclusions, improve your critical thinking skills

Not only will it be better for the community but you will improve as an individual

 

[feelosofer]

We out here talking about patriarchy when we have men in their 40's and 50's who were never married talking complaining about marriage and wanting to be lifelong bachelors with the the dreams of picking off emotionally damaged 20 something women to essentially take care of you in your autumn and winter years.