Blacks and Arabs the Detroit Divide

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Same thing really..:francis:

Hindu Indians dont open up shop in other peoples areas like at the rate Muslims do..
Hindu's tend to be educated and blue/white collar..they typically dont run stores etc..

Now you're just making shyt up:rudy:

Most Pakistani and Indian families have been in the US for decades and came as highly skilled migrants to work as engineers, doctors etc. The ones who own these corner stores are relatively few. That's across religions.

For Arabs, Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians etc tend to be educated. It's mostly Yemenis and Iraqis who run these stores.
 
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There is a lot of oversimplified explanations in here, regarding HOW certain communities are able to build up resources and generational wealth, I grew up in a city (SD) with second largest Iraq/Chaldean population in the US, next to Detroit, so I have ties going back 20 years to these families. I was in elementary with kids I didn't even know were Chaldean, because we were just children. There's a line between mythologizing these people, and painting an accurate picture of how this happens.

Also, there are consequences to their lifestyle/cultural choices, that go beyond money and owning businesses, which should be discussed, I'll write out a little more later.

looking forward to this.
 

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Cacs were breeding women for the purpose of prostitution in places like Louisiana. How's that any different from Arabs buying attractive slave women?

Much of this "bu-but Arab slavery was worse" rhetoric is peddled by Europeans to deflect from their own crimes.

Faithfreedom.org seems like an anti-Islamic propaganda site.
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What interest free loan programs by governments are ya'll taking about? I don't see that shyt anywhere when i google it.

I know Koreans have a thing called 'Kye'. The logic is that families who are members of the group all put money in a pot and every single family gets a turn in receiving that pot. It's interest free and families use that to start businesses. I can't hate them for helping each other out. Arabs may have the same thing. And there's nothing stopping other communities from doing the same thing:yeshrug:
 

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What interest free loan programs by governments are ya'll taking about? I don't see that shyt anywhere when i google it.

I know Koreans have a thing called 'Kye'. The logic is that families who are members of the group all put money in a pot and every single family gets a turn in receiving that pot. It's interest free and families use that to start businesses. I can't hate them for helping each other out. Arabs may have the same thing. And there's nothing stopping other communities from doing the same thing:yeshrug:
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Many times we gotta Tell u dum cats immigrants are entitled to loans that have less interest through government programs and non profit programs believe it or
Not it's true
 

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I posted a video a while back of a Chinese guy (lawyer by profession) who followed exactly those steps (that I mentioned in my previous post) in Zimbabwe. The guy is now super wealthy, owns a chain of clothing stores and has 200 employees. He is married to a Zimbabwean woman and has his three sons primed and ready to take over his empire.

You could either hate this guy for taking advantage of the opportunities that he was presented with, or you can reflect on why you and I did not do the same. Being Chinese, no doubt he sourced his textiles from China, but anybody with an internet connection could've done that. He made his first logo in Photoshop and it looked like a child's drawing.

Any black breh in the West could've done this. But how many of us are willing to grind it out in a place like Zimbabwe? :francis:

Even in America, AA's have certain advantages over Asians and Arabs when it comes to servicing the black community. Who knows the needs of black people more than other black people? Plus Asians and Arabs are abhorred for their poor customer service when it comes to servicing black ppl. Have a better product, emphasize good customer service, cater to the needs of the community and I'm sure the average black person would rather do business with you than some racist Arab.

I'm not buying this bullshyt narrative that it all comes down to self-hate and that black ppl would rather have Asians do their nails than their own.:yeshrug:

Only been here briefly, but your posts make sense. They make so much sense that I think that some are just going to skip over them. Easier to complain and believe myths than to confront facts. I'd like to see evidence of some of these "zero interest loans" the govt. is granting to newly arrived immigrants and some of this other nonsense being spouted by others.

Puerto Ricans and Dominicans in east coast cities follow the same pattern that has been described.
Family business with NO payroll, owners get financing from alternate sources(such as family or community loans), they take advantage of connects/contacts that earlier members of their group established in distribution,etc,etc.
 

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Many times we gotta Tell u dum cats immigrants are entitled to loans that have less interest through government programs and non profit programs believe it or
Not it's true

Unless you have some sort of proof, gonna have to call BS on this.

Somebody has been lying to you. I say this with no disrespect intended but people have been repeating these kinds of lies/excuses for decades.

This is the kind of barbershop talk that people say all day everyday, it's a lie.
 
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Lots of Black muslims in Detroit?
Yes, damn near more than anywhere else by percentage...that's dropping though as Millennials aren't a religious generation.


There is a lot of oversimplified explanations in here, regarding HOW certain communities are able to build up resources and generational wealth.

Totally, I grew up IN Detroit and STILL live here, and in my personal experience I have had nothing but VERY positive experiences. I used to get invited to Eid Iftars during Ramadan all the fukking time. Still do.
The clash mostly comes from ignorance clashing with ignorance. Black folks who bought into the anti-arab sentiments of post 9/11 AND Arabs who bought into white supremacy. What this doesn't touch on is the fact that Henry Ford called his homies in the State Department up and basically convinced the US government to let them come in the country as "white people." Essentially letting them skip all the fukked up racial quotas. That context that created Dearborn also created a massive rift between Great Migration blacks and Arabs.

With that said, I give a massive shout out to Arab and Black women in the area. No one has done more to try and tie the rifts between our communities than them. I've never seen more dinners, talks, meet-ups and the sort organized by women specifically with the objective of interracial and interfaith cooperation its beautiful.

Also, these adversarial relationships don't really occur in professional/educational settings. However, you have a LARGE under-educated cohorts of both Black men and Arab men...that when they meet there's friction. Especially considering Arab small business owners were given an economic cheat code and can pass them down to those under-educated sons.


About the bootstraps comment.

The black experience in America is wholly diff from any other minority. It's very disingious to say shyt like other immigrants been coming up while ignoring the despicable past of cacs stifling black success even in within the last 100 or even now to some extent.

It hasn't even been a lifetime since shyt like Jim Crow or Black Wall Street.
Any apparent wide black success used to get snuffed out. Over bs reasons.

I'm just saying recent history can't be forgotten.

Even Byron Allen had to sue over 7+ TV corporations for racial discrimination just to get his shyt on their channels.

This is very important. There IS resentment in our communities about the stifling of our self-determination. But Arab folks aren't the enemy because they were given the preferential treatment...its the system that allowed them that treatment in the first place.
 

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Ahh the old "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" lecture... :mjpls:

Which has been debunked numerous times already but carry on.

I can't speak for that dude, but IMO his mentality is closer to the right direction. We should be looking at the future, not keep talking about what already happened. We know how we got in the position we are in, we know it wasn't our fault, but we need SOLUTIONS. There was a time when i would've thought he was being 'condescending' but fortunately i realized that WE have to do things ourselves because nobody is going to come do it for us. I can either complain about non black business owners or i can bust my ass to get this money, so that i can employ myself and other black people. Yes it was hard but so is working for "the man" and white upper management for 50 years.I rather work hard for ME than work hard for them.

I see on here a lot of dudes who always talk about what other races "need" to do and what's fair etc. But they still don't get that NOBODY ELSE CARES ABOUT THAT. As you (not "you" specifically) talk about what's not fair, other races of men will be setting up shop in your communities, making money together. Being bosses and producers while you're still employees and consumers.

Look at what's happening in Africa (Asian business owners treating black customers like shyt in their OWN country) and buying up property, Jamaica (they recently signed an a "deal" with the Chinese that they have to learn Mandarin just to get jobs in their OWN country), black communities in America (non black men own the overwhelming majority of the businesses) etc

You brehs think it's a coincidence that no matter where we are, other races of men come in, set up shop, hire ONLY their own people and earn a living (often times a GOOD living) off of us? Then we act like they're doing something wrong.They're doing what WE should be doing too. Starting companies together, hiring each other and extracting wealth from other races.

When i say maybe brehs need to start doing things a bit differently, it isn't blaming us for our position. It simply means that the solution isn't to keep doing the same exact thing we're doing. Our overall mentality of working an average little 9 to 5 for cacs and spending our extra money on bullshyt needs to shift, more of us need to learn how to be more self sufficient. A lot of nikkas would not know how to legally employ themselves if non black employers laid us off or didn't want to hire us. That's a problem. You should always be prepared if you're black in this country. The mentality we should have is to be learning to employ ourselves, that doesn't necessarily mean brick & mortars, independent contractors is another way to be self employed. With internet access there are a lot of ways. Also every black man should be trying to find ways to earn passive income outside of whatever his current job is.

We need to be trying to make OURSELVES wealthier as a group, not make everybody else wealthier off of our dollars. We're at a point where the avg black man works for non black men and spends all his money with non black businesses. The craxiest part is most don't even see what's wrong with this. If we are careless about where the black dollar goes, then that's on us. They'll take our money but they won't fix our economic situation. Our ownership will never increase if we keep doing things the way we're doing it.
 
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