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Holland has to be the most blatant racist place. I grew up there and the things I would see was unbelievable. :wow: For example, every Christmas they would have a black faced, white man dressed up as Santa Claus show up at school to give us candy. They called him the word for '******' in Dutch. They paraded him around all over the city and on the news. It was cray. These ppl actually thought this was okay to do.
 

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Holland has to be the most blatant racist place. I grew up there and the things I would see was unbelievable. :wow: For example, every Christmas they would have a black faced, white man dressed up as Santa Claus show up at school to give us candy. They called him the word for '******' in Dutch. They paraded him around all over the city and on the news. It was cray. These ppl actually thought this was okay to do.

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Which part of england has pubs/clubs with a no black policy? My ends are multi racial and everybody just jams together. I know if you go to pure white man areas there is some racism but I never knew there was actually pubs/clubs with a no black policy.
 
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Which part of england has pubs/clubs with a no black policy? My ends are multi racial and everybody just jams together. I know if you go to pure white man areas there is some racism but I never knew there was actually pubs/clubs with a no black policy.

I was wondering about that too. Perhaps there are the odd BNP pub or social club in some places like Essex or Yorkshire that would frown on black people being allowed admittance but black people wouldn't want to go to those places anyway. It's not really common place.
 

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I think you're being naive if you think the average white (european) person can tell the difference or would care to tell the difference between african immigrants and african americans or stolen africans to keep it blunt

Well except if you are fluent in whatever the language of the country is, they will tell the difference as soon as you will start talking.

In France, if you grew up in a large city and are under 40, you can tell pretty quickly if a Black person is from Africa or the West Indies, if he/she is 2nd/3rd generation or fresh off the boat, if he/she is mixed... Older people tend to be more oblivious to differences because they have less interactions with Black people.

I see your point, and that's fair, but in my experience yes they will differentiate, as fukked up as it is. And it's a lot of brothers from the (French) Islands here as well (Guadalupe, Martinique etc.) who aren't Muslims. Either way it's racism/prejudice, no point in rating the shyt lol

Quite a few of the African immigrants are also Christian. People from Ivory Coast, Cameroon, both Congos...
 

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I was born and raised in Italy, and outside of a run-in with a little Italian dude when i was a kid, i've never had any problems.
When i go visit my family, I don't feel any hostility, especially since i can spit Italian like a native Guildo. Once they find out you're native Italian, and aren't' there to peddle bootleg Gucci purses, people are coo..

tell that to mario ballotelli, rudy guede or cécile kyenge
 

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you been to europe though??

Yep

I've been to barcelona, as recently this January. The weather is great, the city's well organized (imo), the people are cool there and the city is very diverse, by Spain's standards.

The women there were :ohlawd:. Clubs were poppin (they party hard in bcn, it ain't for rookies. Need a lot of energy), and the vibe was mad cool. The beach was nice as well.

I'm sure there is cism in other parts of the country, and probably parts of barcelona too. But overall in barcelona it wasn't even an issue during my stay.

And yes, im black. Have you been to Barcelona (or Madrid) breh?

Yep, Barca.Only black people you see there are african immigrants begging or selling dvds etc etc. When was there they looked at me like an alien to see a black man in gucci. Then on top of that even though I was dressed like a baller I was followed around every shop and even stopped by police more than once.

Spanish are crazy racist, my experience in the basque region was 20 times worse

Well except if you are fluent in whatever the language of the country is, they will tell the difference as soon as you will start talking.

In France, if you grew up in a large city and are under 40, you can tell pretty quickly if a Black person is from Africa or the West Indies, if he/she is 2nd/3rd generation or fresh off the boat, if he/she is mixed... Older people tend to be more oblivious to differences because they have less interactions with Black people.



Quite a few of the African immigrants are also Christian. People from Ivory Coast, Cameroon, both Congos...

Lets just squash the notion of telling the difference between an african or a west indian. We're the same people and look exactly the same,

I seen blacks in Jamaica I could swear on my familys life were africans and I've been with africans and could swear til I was blue in the face that they were west indian

As far as white people being able to tell the difference lets not go down that road, fair enough language wise I see your point. But based on appearence its a no
 

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Breh, most blacks in France are Muslim so they won't make any differentiation between you or an Arab.[...]
There are roughly two types of black people in France :
- West Indians (Guadeloupe, Martinique, Guyane, Réunion)
- Sub-saharian africans (Mali, Senegal, Ivory Coast, Cape Verde etc...)

The first ones are christian for 99%, the second one are either muslim or christians.

West Indian blacks were always more integrated than African blacks. Mostly because there is that tropical/créole folklore of the french west indies where they drink rum, dance all day, it's all sunny, the life is slow (unlike the metropole where everybody's in a hurry), and obviously, that "sexualized" carribean lifestyle. That's where you go to vacations and that's where you have fun.

Many west indian bands/artists are famous in the french metropole (ie France in the Europe area) : Kassav', La Compagnie Créole, Francky Vincent, Zoul Machine, St Eloi etc... because the main music ("zouk") is positive, easily danceable and always brings a tropical touch to a party (and "zouk love" is basically french R'n'B). And even if you don't speak it, french créole can easily be understandable and the creole accent is kinda funny to the metropolitan french people. The creole "pa ni pwoblem" phrase ("il n'y a pas de problème" in French, "there's no problem" in English) is the phrase that symbolizes the west indian lifestyle and is known by every metropolitan french (non west-indian I mean).

On the opposite, African blacks always symbolized the immigration. West Indians and Africans are both migrants really, the first coming from "central america" and the second coming from Africa, but considering that Guadeloupe, Martinique, Guyane and La Réunion are overseas french departments (therefore are a part of France, like Hawai being a part of the US), they were always welcome. Not necessarely with open arms but as they share the same culture (mostly), the same religion (mostly), the same money, the same historical references, there is a bond.

The most important shared trait is religion IMO and that's why there is no real fear from metropolitan frenchies. West Indians are like black people in the US, extremely christian (I remember my grandma forcing us to pray each night before bed as youngins when we were on vacations... I escaped that by telling her to give me a bible so I could pray alone... Bible that I never read !). It's crazy when you think about it : both former enslaved people taking the religion of their ex-masters and endorsing it even better than them.

And if you consider that Joséphine de Beauxharnais, Napoleon's wife was a martinican (well, she was the daughter of a rich white martinican family of sugar plantations owners and not really representative of Martinique but still, she was a martinican), you'd understand that French West-Indies are historically part of France and therefore (black) frenchies from west indian descent have a way more positive reputation than (black) frenchies from african descent.

What I mean is simple : yes, there is some kind of fear of black people (France like Europe is mostly white) but mostly for those from african descent. And, yes, that fear is higher if you're also muslim unfortunately. But that fear is not by everyone and most people don't care that much about complexions... There may be a suspicion at first maybe but it's cleared when people try to know each other (the key point to clear racism really). I've been victim of racism only a few times in my life and that was from old white women (I remember well that woman with her german shepherd always releasing it to bite our balls when we were playing football as youngins...).

But you black americans (men or women) ain't got to worry about anything. And I say anything.
A good "Bonjour" with an american accent will melt every hearts. Remember, if you want to be good with the french, always try to talk the language even if it's disgustingly bad. And if it's that bad, just say "Banjoor" and you'll be good. Americans always assume that France hate the US. Well, that's kinda true, but it's not the people who are hated, it's the state. And the conservatives. :jawalrus:
 

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Lets just squash the notion of telling the difference between an african or a west indian. We're the same people and look exactly the same,

I seen blacks in Jamaica I could swear on my familys life were africans and I've been with africans and could swear til I was blue in the face that they were west indian

As far as white people being able to tell the difference lets not go down that road, fair enough language wise I see your point. But based on appearence its a no
Are you Jamaican? Because there is no way in this world I could confuse an African for a Jamaican or vise versa.
 

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Are you talkin about from looks?....because, you guys look the same. Dunno if you find that hard to believe.
Most africans in my city are Angolan, Somalian, Ethiopian, Sierra Leonean or Sudanese. Only one of them looks like some Jamaicans and thats the Sierra Leoneans but you can still tell a mile off by swag, clothes, speech etc.
 

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Most africans in my city are Angolan, Somalian, Ethiopian, Sierra Leonean or Sudanese. Only one of them looks like some Jamaicans and thats the Sierra Leoneans but you can still tell a mile off by swag, clothes, speech etc.

I was just talking physically. I get what you are saying about different parts of Africa having people who don't resemble jamaicans. But some do. Nothing wrong with that.
 
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