Blacks’ political muscle has gone soft

[lenfantdelacapitale]

well just for the record, this is completel theoritical, there is no way a black american nation would ever happen for many different reasons

but what you said is a good case for saying that a black american nation would be better off than a typical african nation, but a black american nation would be equivalent to mexico and other "emerging" countries, it wouldnt be all the way at the bottom but it wouldnt be at the top, and a black american nation would be facing pretty much the same problems as mexico or brazil typ countries

my point is is that there are 2 basic metrics that determine wealth of a nation , those are levels of education and levels of capitalism, other factors come into play of course ut those are the most important factors

places like howard and spelman are good steps but overall black americans are way behind in education even (compared to the us and europe), so a black american nation would also be way behind

where my opinion goes to left field, compared to some people, is that people assume if you remove the white presence those things like education would improve, i dont think it will, IMO to improve black education there are cultural shifts that black people have to make irrespective of white people, ie irrespective of black nationhood, if we dont make these shifts we will be at the bottom regardless

(1) Your initial point was that Black America nation/state would be a third world nation. I gave you specific points why it would NOT due to the different mentalities/problems that people in the third world face in comparison to Black Americans. Now your rebuttal is how theoretical the proposition would be (that's another argument/issue in itself)

(2) Secondly Brazil and Mexico are not in the same categories. Brazil is heads and shoulder above Mexico and is still economically improving (it is the 7th largest economy in the world, part of the G20 nations). Of course no country in the world is at the level of the United States or Europe YET that's because they are some of the oldest democracies in the world and everybody else in the world used to be their subjects up until recent history. I rather be "emerging" and building something on my own than be under a system of white supremacy. Even if you get an education as a black person, you are still less likely to be employed as your white counterpart with the high school education. These are FACTS done according to studies. When these FACTS support what is prevalent when living under a dominant advanced society, a rational person is going to take that risk to be on their own and build something of their own even if that means leaving the comfortable advanced society where he/she has been considered a second-class citizen in the entire history of that society. It's like being at a dead end job because you see other people less qualified than you get constantly promoted. Are you going to stay because the dead end job still provides a steady paycheck but does not respect your abilities or are you going to take the risk in starting your own enterprise to compete despite the fact that it is going to take time to be at the level of your current employer.

(3) Getting an education was the blackest thing you could do. When you study the civil rights movement, the first court cases and initiatives in order to desegregate were not based on trying to sit in the same lunch counters or frequenting white establishments but having access to education(i.e Brown vs Board of Education, Arkansas/Little Rock Nine or the gentleman who wanted to desegregate the University of Mississippi, these are the popular court cases but you will find tons of court cases around the country where essentially black students were trying to integrate because they wanted the same access to education as whites that is because state public institutions were getting money however schools in black neighborhoods were ignored hence the poor quality of these schools, overcrowding, lack of good textbooks etc ... Today, I agree there is less of a culture of getting educated in many black communities ironically we get to walk around and frequent white establishments and no longer excluded out of restaurants because of the color of our skin. I truly believe that integration being around white people as much had a role to play. I rather struggle build my own nation, repair the ills and wrongs of our culture than BE UNDER WHITE SUPREMACY SOCIETY.

 

[theworldismine13]

(1) Your initial point was that Black America nation/state would be a third world nation. I gave you specific points why it would NOT due to the different mentalities/problems that people in the third world face in comparison to Black Americans. Now your rebuttal is how theoretical the proposition would be (that's another argument/issue in itself)

like a said, im just making it clear that its theoretical, i dont think its possible to create a black american nation, that wasnt a rebuttal to anything its just making clear what frequency im on, if you do think that is possible, that would be correct that that is another discussion,

and like i said i think you made a case that a black american nation would be different then third world countries way at the bottom

(2) Secondly Brazil and Mexico are not in the same categories. Brazil is heads and shoulder above Mexico and is still economically improving (it is the 7th largest economy in the world, part of the G20 nations). Of course no country in the world is at the level of the United States or Europe YET that's because they are some of the oldest democracies in the world and everybody else in the world used to be their subjects up until recent history. I rather be "emerging" and building something on my own than be under a system of white supremacy. Even if you get an education as a black person, you are still less likely to be employed as your white counterpart with the high school education. These are FACTS done according to studies. When these FACTS support what is prevalent when living under a dominant advanced society, a rational person is going to take that risk to be on their own and build something of their own even if that means leaving the comfortable advanced society where he/she has been considered a second-class citizen in the entire history of that society. It's like being at a dead end job because you see other people less qualified than you get constantly promoted. Are you going to stay because the dead end job still provides a steady paycheck but does not respect your abilities or are you going to take the risk in starting your own enterprise to compete despite the fact that it is going to take time to be at the level of your current employer.

"emerging economy" is euphemistic term for an economy that lacks infrastructure like roads, electricity and financial systems, and that is what a black american nation would start as

and from an american point of view brazil and mexico are about the same and its not clear imo that black americans are willing to be part of an "emerging economy" and all that it entails

i personally dont agree with the description of living in the us as a dead end job, im more of proponent of black domination, i think black people should work toward taking over the us and i think the us is actually the foundation of black prosperity

(3) Getting an education was the blackest thing you could do. When you study the civil rights movement, the first court cases and initiatives in order to desegregate were not based on trying to sit in the same lunch counters or frequenting white establishments but having access to education(i.e Brown vs Board of Education, Arkansas/Little Rock Nine or the gentleman who wanted to desegregate the University of Mississippi, these are the popular court cases but you will find tons of court cases around the country where essentially black students were trying to integrate because they wanted the same access to education as whites that is because state public institutions were getting money however schools in black neighborhoods were ignored hence the poor quality of these schools, overcrowding, lack of good textbooks etc ... Today, I agree there is less of a culture of getting educated in many black communities ironically we get to walk around and frequent white establishments and no longer excluded out of restaurants because of the color of our skin. I truly believe that integration being around white people as much had a role to play. I rather struggle build my own nation, repair the ills and wrongs of our culture than BE UNDER WHITE SUPREMACY SOCIETY.

getting an education is only part of the issue, the actual issue is that black people never had the infrastructure to educate ourselves in terms of formal education, even going back to africa, the problem didnt start with white supremacy, the problem started in africa where the populations were not literate

i think black people should double down on the united states, like i was saying in another thread about patriotism, i dont believe in ceding in the united states or the american flag to white people, this is our country

if it was another country i would be more inclined to say fuk it and move, but the american geopolitical, financial and miltiary power i think makes it important for us to stay

 

[Drones]

“As shoppers, African Americans are influencers and trendsetters whose purchasing habits affect others,” Target Market News said. “They set trends in their purchase of apparel, autos and food and in their use of social media.”

This sentence stood out to me the most out of any in the whole article. I wish more black people would grasp and own the fact that we have the juice. Other races and the world look to us for their trends, slang, music, fashion, etc.

Just think of how many companies use some semi-outdated black slang to hawk their products, like Crown Royal using 'On Point.' Think of all the corny white girls on Instagram already playing out 'bae' and 'on fleek' and '___ be like...'

The thing is, thanks to post-traumatic slavery disorder (PTSD) we think that we need cac approval to get shyt cooking and start monetizing the trends we start. But we don't actually need them.

When we finally grasp that we are the leaders and that the world follows us, then we'll be able to build our economy and get back on top. We're so caught up with chasing white approval that we don't stop to ask what we need them for...which is nothing.

 

[lenfantdelacapitale]

like a said, im just making it clear that its theoretical, i dont think its possible to create a black american nation, that wasnt a rebuttal to anything its just making clear what frequency im on, if you do think that is possible, that would be correct that that is another discussion,

and like i said i think you made a case that a black american nation would be different then third world countries way at the bottom



"emerging economy" is euphemistic term for an economy that lacks infrastructure like roads, electricity and financial systems, and that is what a black american nation would start as

and from an american point of view brazil and mexico are about the same and its not clear imo that black americans are willing to be part of an "emerging economy" and all that it entails

An American perspective does not mean it is the right and accurate perspective. Emerging economy does not mean lack of infrastructure, electricity financial systems etc... It just means that a country has not reach the level of Europe or the US YET. Brazil just hosted a World Cup in 2014. The largest sporting event in the whole world attracting the largest crowds in the world into their countries and SOuth Africa did the same in 2010. Countries like that would not be awarded such huge events if they lacked the infrastructure/electricity etc...



It is not going to happen because of demographics. I could see Hispanic domination because the US borders Mexico and further down there is Central America. Black people are not going to see significant growth and in terms of percentage, the black population will stay stagnant.



Again, you previously stated that there was some type of anti-intellectual culture which was causing low educational attainment and therefore not the pursuing of STEM degrees. I gave you an example that it is a recent phenomenon of anti-intellectual "culture". I gave you another example, when we do get a formal education and further it some more, we are still less employed than white high schoolers. So it is white supremacy when even if you have obtained a formal education but yet you still out of a job because someone who has less qualifications than you gets the job. This is not a going to back to Africa issue. Speaking of Africans, Africans in America (recent African immigrants or first generational Americans) have the highest educational attainment than any other ethnic subgroup in the United States why aren't they running businesses or Fortune 500 companies?

It is our country and we built it but we do not run it. This is an analogy that I heard from somewhere. It's the low skilled laborer building the house for someone wealthy landowner and wanting to claim the property. We were the hands that built this country but never allowed to own it and it will forever stay that way when living in a white dominated society.

 

[theworldismine13]

An American perspective does not mean it is the right and accurate perspective. Emerging economy does not mean lack of infrastructure, electricity financial systems etc... It just means that a country has not reach the level of Europe or the US YET. Brazil just hosted a World Cup in 2014. The largest sporting event in the whole world attracting the largest crowds in the world into their countries and SOuth Africa did the same in 2010. Countries like that would not be awarded such huge events if they lacked the infrastructure/electricity etc...

brazil, mexico and south africa lack the infrastructure that the the united states and europeans country have, that is why they are called emerging economies, thats just a fact

the point is not that they have zero infrastructure, the point is that that there are vast portions of the population that lack access to infrastructure, electricity, roads and financial systems

the stadiums and buildings brazil and south africa built had little impact on the overall level of infrastructure the average citizen (we wont even get into the corruption involved), so that isnt a counterpoint

the american perspective may not be right or accurate but the point of the discussion was a black american nation, and i think most black americans would balk at having to live in a country with less infrastructure than the us, that is one of many reason why a black american nation isnt going to happen

It is not going to happen because of demographics. I could see Hispanic domination because the US borders Mexico and further down there is Central America. Black people are not going to see significant growth and in terms of percentage, the black population will stay stagnant.

i dont think percentage matters, what matters is levels of education and levels of capitalism

Again, you previously stated that there was some type of anti-intellectual culture which was causing low educational attainment and therefore not the pursuing of STEM degrees. I gave you an example that it is a recent phenomenon of anti-intellectual "culture". I gave you another example, when we do get a formal education and further it some more, we are still less employed than white high schoolers. So it is white supremacy when even if you have obtained a formal education but yet you still out of a job because someone who has less qualifications than you gets the job. This is not a going to back to Africa issue. Speaking of Africans, Africans in America (recent African immigrants or first generational Americans) have the highest educational attainment than any other ethnic subgroup in the United States why aren't they running businesses or Fortune 500 companies?

i didnt say white supremacy did exists, what i said is that black people need to focus on education and capitalism

the problem isnt so much that a black educated person isnt getting hired, the real problem is that a black person has to go to a white person to get hired in the first place