Blow Up Your Project, Then Lose All Your Assets: Official 2020-21 Boston Celtics thread

[Kang Deezy]

I’m more angry at the front office

Maybe I’m wrong and a couple of timelord Romeo nesmith Pritchard edwards and grant can be legit really good players

but I can’t help but think with Hayward horford and kyrie all walking for nothing AND sitting on all those draft picks and ended up with the group I listed above that Celtics grossly mismanaged their assets

 

[UpAndComing]

I’m more angry at the front office

Maybe I’m wrong and a couple of timelord Romeo nesmith Pritchard edwards and grant can be legit really good players

but I can’t help but think with Hayward horford and kyrie all walking for nothing AND sitting on all those draft picks and ended up with the group I listed above that Celtics grossly mismanaged their assets

They need to trade those assets for Aaron Gordon. Use the Trade exception, Thies, and some of the young players

 

[SchoolboyC]

I’m more angry at the front office

Maybe I’m wrong and a couple of timelord Romeo nesmith Pritchard edwards and grant can be legit really good players

but I can’t help but think with Hayward horford and kyrie all walking for nothing AND sitting on all those draft picks and ended up with the group I listed above that Celtics grossly mismanaged their assets

We needed to trade those picks because Ainge is a mediocre drafter at best, terrible at worst, especially when he's not drafting high. As of now, I think the idea of Time Lord is better than the reality. He's got the talent, but I think it's fair to question whether he'll ever put it all together. I can't see Grant, Nesmith & Pritchard being more than role players. Maybe at best case, Nesmith can become a Buddy Hield/Allan Houston type player but I'm not banking on it. Edwards is trash, and I hated the Romeo pick from the jump.

It's just crazy to think that two years ago we had arguably the deepest team in the league, literally 2/3 of that roster are starters in the NBA right now, and now we're an extremely top-heavy team with one of the worst benches in the league, if not the worst. And for the life of me I can't understand why Ainge held onto Ojeleye, Green & Edwards, when he could've easily given those roster spots to vets that have actually proven they can play in the NBA. He's building this team like the Cavs in LeBron's first run or the Chris Wallace era here.

And regardless I tried to tell y'all years ago not to put your faith in Ainge

 

[William Heavy]

Brad Stevens is an awful offensive coach. Year after year we have terrible shot selection. Just chucking up 3 pointer after 3 pointer despite being ice cold. Guys have no idea how to get their inside game and mid range game going before they start shooting 3's.

 

[JarrodG]

We need to play the young players to develop them. Problem is we dont play them when they are healthy. So we in a situation with no role players right now.

 

[Kang Deezy]

We needed to trade those picks because Ainge is a mediocre drafter at best, terrible at worst, especially when he's not drafting high. As of now, I think the idea of Time Lord is better than the reality. He's got the talent, but I think it's fair to question whether he'll ever put it all together. I can't see Grant, Nesmith & Pritchard being more than role players. Maybe at best case, Nesmith can become a Buddy Hield/Allan Houston type player but I'm not banking on it. Edwards is trash, and I hated the Romeo pick from the jump.

It's just crazy to think that two years ago we had arguably the deepest team in the league, literally 2/3 of that roster are starters in the NBA right now, and now we're an extremely top-heavy team with one of the worst benches in the league, if not the worst. And for the life of me I can't understand why Ainge held onto Ojeleye, Green & Edwards, when he could've easily given those roster spots to vets that have actually proven they can play in the NBA. He's building this team like the Cavs in LeBron's first run or the Chris Wallace era here.

And regardless I tried to tell y'all years ago not to put your faith in Ainge

we had the best young talent, good cap situation, and more draft picks than anybody along with a Memphis and Sacramento picks that at times has really high value

Huge miss by the front office

 

[Copy Ninja]

It's the preseason and people already freaking out

 

[UpAndComing]

We needed to trade those picks because Ainge is a mediocre drafter at best, terrible at worst, especially when he's not drafting high. As of now, I think the idea of Time Lord is better than the reality. He's got the talent, but I think it's fair to question whether he'll ever put it all together. I can't see Grant, Nesmith & Pritchard being more than role players. Maybe at best case, Nesmith can become a Buddy Hield/Allan Houston type player but I'm not banking on it. Edwards is trash, and I hated the Romeo pick from the jump.

It's just crazy to think that two years ago we had arguably the deepest team in the league, literally 2/3 of that roster are starters in the NBA right now, and now we're an extremely top-heavy team with one of the worst benches in the league, if not the worst. And for the life of me I can't understand why Ainge held onto Ojeleye, Green & Edwards, when he could've easily given those roster spots to vets that have actually proven they can play in the NBA. He's building this team like the Cavs in LeBron's first run or the Chris Wallace era here.

And regardless I tried to tell y'all years ago not to put your faith in Ainge

Shouldn't have let go of Baynes and Morris. Two most important pieces they had

 

[SchoolboyC]

Shouldn't have let go of Baynes and Morris. Two most important pieces they had

They traded Baynes to clear cap space for Kemba, but didn’t know the Hornets would be interested in Rozier. So they really traded him for no reason.

we had the best young talent, good cap situation, and more draft picks than anybody along with a Memphis and Sacramento picks that at times has really high value

Huge miss by the front office

Ainge held on to the Kings & Grizzlies picks too long and they lost any value they had. Imagine if he would’ve packaged Rozier and one of those picks in summer 2018 when their value was at its highest.

It's the preseason and people already freaking out

I mean...this team is still good, they won’t be as bad as they looked in the preseason, Tatum/Brown/Smart shot like 33% from the field combined which obviously won’t be a long term thing. But unless Tatum takes a jump to being All-NBA 1st team caliber, this is a worse team than it was last year. Ainge has done shytty job rounding out this team the past two offseasons.

Think about it: Would anybody on this team other than Tatum/Kemba/Brown/Smart crack the Nets rotation? Maybe Tristan Thompson? How many would actually play for the Heat? Bucks? Lakers? Nuggets? Clippers?

Brad Stevens is an awful offensive coach. Year after year we have terrible shot selection. Just chucking up 3 pointer after 3 pointer despite being ice cold. Guys have no idea how to get their inside game and mid range game going before they start shooting 3's.

Stevens still runs the offense like he did when IT was here. And he doesn’t hold players accountable on offense either, especially Smart. It’s mind-boggling how he just sits there and lets him fire at will to the detriment of the team.

 

[JarrodG]

It's the preseason and people already freaking out

Season starts in like 4 days

 

[Copy Ninja]

I mean...this team is still good, they won’t be as bad as they looked in the preseason, Tatum/Brown/Smart shot like 33% from the field combined which obviously won’t be a long term thing. But unless Tatum takes a jump to being All-NBA 1st team caliber, this is a worse team than it was last year. Ainge has done shytty job rounding out this team the past two offseasons.

Think about it: Would anybody on this team other than Tatum/Kemba/Brown/Smart crack the Nets rotation? Maybe Tristan Thompson? How many would actually play for the Heat? Bucks? Lakers? Nuggets? Clippers?



Stevens still runs the offense like he did when IT was here. And he doesn’t hold players accountable on offense either, especially Smart. It’s mind-boggling how he just sits there and lets him fire at will to the detriment of the team.

Ainge still a good GM. I'll trust him right now. Got us a championship, turned the corpse of KG and Pierce into all those high draft picks from the Nets, raped the Sixers. We got bad luck with Hawyard breaking his ankle first game and who knew Kyrie was gonna turn into a full blown hippie. Even with all that, we still got a core of Tatum/Brown, Smart is a great leader. We just need some of these other talents to develop to complement the core and I trust Stevens gonna do that. If anything he develops players, or integrates vets into playing well into his system. I will agree that Stevens needs to get on Smart and his dumb fukking shot selection. He is too much a player's coach and sometimes trust his players too much to figure it out (ex. Rozier/Hayward/Kyrie toxic environment). But overall he's one of the better coaches in the league.

Been to the conference championship 3/4 years and Tatum/Brown is just 22/24 years old. Haven't even reached their prime and ya'll talking like we need to start firing people

 

[Copy Ninja]

Season starts in like 4 days

IDGAF. Let's see where this team is come playoff time.

 

[SchoolboyC]

Ainge still a good GM. I'll trust him right now. Got us a championship, turned the corpse of KG and Pierce into all those high draft picks from the Nets, raped the Sixers. We got bad luck with Hawyard breaking his ankle first game and who knew Kyrie was gonna turn into a full blown hippie. Even with all that, we still got a core of Tatum/Brown, Smart is a great leader. We just need some of these other talents to develop to complement the core and I trust Stevens gonna do that. If anything he develops players, or integrates vets into playing well into his system. I will agree that Stevens needs to get on Smart and his dumb fukking shot selection. He is too much a player's coach and sometimes trust his players too much to figure it out (ex. Rozier/Hayward/Kyrie toxic environment). But overall he's one of the better coaches in the league.

Been to the conference championship 3/4 years and Tatum/Brown is just 22/24 years old. Haven't even reached their prime and ya'll talking like we need to start firing people

Having a couple players on the bench who need to develop to become contributors is perfectly fine. But when that's damn near everyone on your bench, that's a major issue, especially when it's a team that is going on deep playoff runs. Literally everyone on the bench minus Teague & TT is still on their rookie contract.

Arguably the biggest issue with this team last season was the lack of depth due to having an inexperienced and unproductive bench, and we still have the same issue.

 

[Kang Deezy]

Ainge still a good GM. I'll trust him right now. Got us a championship, turned the corpse of KG and Pierce into all those high draft picks from the Nets, raped the Sixers. We got bad luck with Hawyard breaking his ankle first game and who knew Kyrie was gonna turn into a full blown hippie. Even with all that, we still got a core of Tatum/Brown, Smart is a great leader. We just need some of these other talents to develop to complement the core and I trust Stevens gonna do that. If anything he develops players, or integrates vets into playing well into his system. I will agree that Stevens needs to get on Smart and his dumb fukking shot selection. He is too much a player's coach and sometimes trust his players too much to figure it out (ex. Rozier/Hayward/Kyrie toxic environment). But overall he's one of the better coaches in the league.

Been to the conference championship 3/4 years and Tatum/Brown is just 22/24 years old. Haven't even reached their prime and ya'll talking like we need to start firing people

with the assets and young talent they had, for them to be out of assets and this is what we are rolling with long term is an absolute miss

there should be more, we basically lost Hayward horford kyrie Morris and rozier all for nothing

We had all those draft picks, at times the kings and grizzlies picks had crazy value and we waited them both out and their value went to nothing

If Danny would have at least cashed out and gone after the player they supposedly wanted in the draft we’d have either haliburton or hero right now

We can end up being a top 2 or 3 seed and going to the conference finals again but at the end of the day we are a championship or bust city and Danny had plenty of opportunity to turn this into a long term championship contender and whiffed

 

[UpAndComing]

Brehs, the main reason we are in this situation was two words.... Gordon Hayward. He singlehandedly created the situation that we have now. Its not doom and gloom, and is deff fixable

Hayward was the reason Kyrie left IMO, because when he got injured Kyrie felt alone outside of Horford with veterans that he can play off of, instead of the young ones. (Not even defending Kyrie is the slightest, personally don't like him, but just being objective)

Hayward was the reason Horford left, because when Hayward came back from injury, it caused a riff between Jaylen not getting playing time, which ignited his beef with Kyrie. Horford seeing this as a bystander felt this team was imploding and wanted to jump ship

Hayward was the reason our offense stalled as well. Brad Stevens had a hard on for Hayward, and babied him which undermined the whole team and killed the chemistry further


People talk about Brad's offense, which is not perfect. But Pre-Hayward, the Celtics' offense was really good with Isiah Thomas running the point and Jae Crowder at the wing. They were just not talented enough at the time


Hayward was just a bad signing from the start, and should have never happened in the first place