“Bomb Iran” plan simply won’t go away in Washington, DC

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Even before the upcoming August recess on Capitol Hill, the dogs of war, unleashed by remote control from Tel Aviv, predictably are trying to tear the Iran-P5+1 nuclear deal to shreds from all sides.
It does not matter that the National Iranian American Council – which happens to be widely respected in Washington itself – has forcefully come out in defense of the deal.

It does not matter that the Obama administration can count on the combined efforts of the so-called E3 ambassadors (Britain, France and Germany) in Washington, who are exhausting themselves to explain the obvious: This is an international treaty, already approved by the United Nations, and not a parochial squabble decided in Idaho.

On the other hand, it does matter that the Obama administration has not been forceful enough to defend its strategy as well as the result of such a long and treacherous negotiation.

So there are now two narratives shaping the battle ahead in Washington.

1) Iran is a rogue nation, an existential threat to Israel, and it cannot be trusted. It will breach the deal, so the deal must be rejected to the benefit of… perpetual sanctions, or war.

2) Iran is a rogue nation, it cannot be trusted, but we have all the verification mechanisms in place and as soon as Iran “cheats” - as it will - we launch immediate “snap back” sanctions.

No wonder, under these circumstances, Washington simply cannot be trusted by Tehran.

Who’s really trustworthy?
Now for the other side of the narrative.

On July 18, four days after the deal was signed in Vienna, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei – foreseeing which way the D.C. wind would be blowing – went straight to the point; his intervention delineated the parameters according to which Iran would work to actively debunk a massive propaganda machine that continues to demonize the Islamic Republic even as it touts a victory for Western diplomacy.

The victory in Vienna was in fact for diplomacy tout court – East and West working together.

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Even before his speech, Khamenei had already touched upon the key point when he sent a short message to President Hassan Rouhani a day after the deal.

This is the money quote:
“…it is necessary to very carefully study the text that has been prepared, so that it can then move in the legal direction that has been determined for it. Then, in the case of ratification, it is necessary to be on the alert for possible breaches of agreements by the other side and the blocking of its path. You know very well that some of the six governments in the opposite camp are not trustworthy in any way.”

The E3 may not be entirely “trustworthy,” but here, it’s all about business; there’s nothing Britain, France, Germany – and the rest of the EU, for that matter – want more than restarting business with Iran in the energy front and beyond.

The battle in Washington, on the other hand, will be gruesome, even as the Obama administration remains confident the dogs of war don’t have the necessary votes to block the implementation of the deal, as Iranian diplomats confirmed to me in Vienna during the negotiations.

In Tehran, on the other hand, the deal should be approved by the Consultative Assembly with no problems.

The bottom realpolitik line, as defined by Khamenei himself, is that the US/Iran Wall of Mistrust seems destined to remain in place – far beyond the nuclear agreement. Multiple Washington factions, not to mention the Pentagon, continue to regard Iran as a “threat”, a rogue nation, or evil incarnate, while Tehran sees Washington as “the heart of global arrogance”.

So the geopolitical path ahead for Iran – whatever happens after the deal is ratified in both capitals and the package of sanctions starts to unravel by late 2015/early 2016 – is Eurasia integration, as I outlined more here.

That implies closer cooperation – and a three-way strategic partnership - between Iran, Russia and China. And that further implies the “Bomb Iran” dogs of war getting even more bloodthirsty.
“Bomb Iran” plan simply won’t go away
 

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Why were Israel, Aparthied era South Africa, Pakistan, and India allowed to develop nuclear weapons, but Iran isn't?

In these last years, the Pakistanis, the Indians, the Russians, and the Americans, to name just four nuclear powers, have either been expanding or “modernizing" their nuclear stockpiles in significant ways. And God knows what the Israelis were doing with their super-secret, never officially acknowledged, but potentially civilization-busting atomic arsenal of 80 or more weapons, while the North Koreans were turning themselves into a nuclear mini-power.

Nonetheless, the focus of nuclear attention and the question of “disarmament” has remained almost exclusively on a country that had no such weapons, has officially disavowed them, and at this point, at least, doesn’t even have a weapons program. And note that no one who is anyone in Washington DC considers any of this the least bit strange.

India developed them first as a way to deter China... then they did a test in the 70s and then one in 1998. Sanctions followed.

Pakistan started developing in the 1970s too and tested shortly thereafter India did in 1998.

They got hit with sanctions too.

But they didn't care, they had shielded their economies by that point to where sanctions didn't matter all that much. They were lifted by 2001.


Israel and Apartheid South Africa allegedly coordinated on the South African nuclear program.
 
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Israel and the Saudis are far more worried about an improved US-Iran relationship than Iran possessing a single nuclear warhead they would never use.


Iran is developing the full set of nuclear technologies to become self sufficient.This includes the ability to build nuclear weapons in the future, the ability Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, South Africa, Brazil , Argentina and half a dozen European countries do.

All this fuss about Iran is attempting to stop Iran to develop technologies that it has a right to under the NPT they signed up for and which every country has as well.

This is about regime change and the safety of Israel, they do not want a threat in the future.
Iran is also at the unique stage of being an industrialized country that was modernizing at a fast pace, a country with alot of resources that is independent yet is weak enough to be attacked.

The argument that Saudi Arabia could get nuclear weapons is the biggest joke of all. They cannot even run a Coca Cola botting plant how would they run a nuclear program?
Pakistan does not lend out its nuclear scientists and engineers and nobody would sell nuclear weapons on the market, you need to build it yourself.
The Saudis attempted to buy them from China in the 80's, the Chinese said no, you have to build it yourself, they will provide the know how that's all.

All they got out of it was dong feng missiles they bought in the 80's.

Egypt has the know how but no money. 6/10 of Saddam's nuclear scientists were Egyptians on loan by the government.
 

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Why were Israel, Aparthied era South Africa, Pakistan, and India allowed to develop nuclear weapons, but Iran isn't?
Israel never signed the NPT and hasn't actually officially confirmed anything (look up Vanunu)

South Africa developed stuff for Israel's nuke program, not their own

Pakistan stole nuclear designs (Via A.Q. Khan) from a dutch power plant and made their own nukes

India was kinda helped by the chinese and brits.
 

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Iran is developing the full set of nuclear technologies to become self sufficient.This includes the ability to build nuclear weapons in the future, the ability Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, South Africa, Brazil , Argentina and half a dozen European countries do.

All this fuss about Iran is attempting to stop Iran to develop technologies that it has a right to under the NPT they signed up for and which every country has as well.

This is about regime change and the safety of Israel, they do not want a threat in the future.
Iran is also at the unique stage of being an industrialized country that was modernizing at a fast pace, a country with alot of resources that is independent yet is weak enough to be attacked.

The argument that Saudi Arabia could get nuclear weapons is the biggest joke of all. They cannot even run a Coca Cola botting plant how would they run a nuclear program?
Pakistan does not lend out its nuclear scientists and engineers and nobody would sell nuclear weapons on the market, you need to build it yourself.
The Saudis attempted to buy them from China in the 80's, the Chinese said no, you have to build it yourself, they will provide the know how that's all.

All they got out of it was dong feng missiles they bought in the 80's.

Egypt has the know how but no money. 6/10 of Saddam's nuclear scientists were Egyptians on loan by the government.
You don't need a coke bottling plant to develop t a nuke. Stupdiest thing you've said thus far

And I really want to call you out on this little pro-muslim rant you're always going in on. You're a sunni...not even a Shia, so when shyt hits the fan, you ain't even fukking with Iran like that so don't pretend like we don't see through you. You're not really as pro-pan-arab as you think you are. :ufdup:

Not to mention, the Saudis and the Turks have already expressed interest in Iran getting nukes. Saudi Arabia is willing to go through hell to check Iran's growing influence in Afghanistan and Pakistan and subsequently India. Nukes are apart of that question.
 

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Israel never signed the NPT and hasn't actually officially confirmed anything (look up Vanunu)

South Africa developed stuff for Israel's nuke program, not their own

Pakistan stole nuclear designs (Via A.Q. Khan) from a dutch power plant and made their own nukes

India was kinda helped by the chinese and brits.

:usure:
 

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How surprising :beli:

It's quite fascinating why we don't hear about the developments in Central Asia.

It really doesn't matter what Congres does. All of the huffing and puffing reflects the frustration felt here over the New Silk Road by China and many US allies bypassing the dollar to bust sanctions with Iran and extending it to trade with others in mutual currencies and gold.

If 9/11 and the Afghan invasion didn't happen the U.S. would have been locked out of the region awhile ago
 

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Iran is developing the full set of nuclear technologies to become self sufficient.This includes the ability to build nuclear weapons in the future, the ability Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, South Africa, Brazil , Argentina and half a dozen European countries do.

All this fuss about Iran is attempting to stop Iran to develop technologies that it has a right to under the NPT they signed up for and which every country has as well.

This is about regime change and the safety of Israel, they do not want a threat in the future.
Iran is also at the unique stage of being an industrialized country that was modernizing at a fast pace, a country with alot of resources that is independent yet is weak enough to be attacked.

The argument that Saudi Arabia could get nuclear weapons is the biggest joke of all. They cannot even run a Coca Cola botting plant how would they run a nuclear program?
Pakistan does not lend out its nuclear scientists and engineers and nobody would sell nuclear weapons on the market, you need to build it yourself.
The Saudis attempted to buy them from China in the 80's, the Chinese said no, you have to build it yourself, they will provide the know how that's all.

All they got out of it was dong feng missiles they bought in the 80's.

Egypt has the know how but no money. 6/10 of Saddam's nuclear scientists were Egyptians on loan by the government.


Seems like Iran could change organically in a hundred years as far as the Ayatollahs go. Idk about Iran's military/intelligence apparatus though.

:yeshrug:
 

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it's not really like their "Death to America" rhetoric has much changed either....

Of course not. For the hawkish neocons to not beat the drums of war, Iran would have to completely surrender it's sovereignty. The Iranians also know the U.S. isn't going to attack them. If Bush/Cheney didn't with a Republican Congress, it won't happen now or post-2017 when Obama leaves office. Too costly and the effects of Iraq/Afghanistan continue to be felt.

Additionally, any possible future attack on Iran threatened by the Pentagon (in conjunction with NATO) would essentially be an assault on the planning of an interlocking set of organizations -- the BRICS nations (Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa), the SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organization), the EEU (Eurasian Economic Union), the AIIB (the new Chinese-founded Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank), and the NDB (the BRICS' New Development Bank).
 

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it's not really like their "Death to America" rhetoric has much changed either....

Iran's populace actually has a higher opinion of the U.S. than Saudi Arabia.

Plus that's just a shortsighted arguement, the Soviets dealt with Reagan while he was calling them an Evil Empire.
 
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