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You know what the problem is... we don't have new leaders or organizations guiding where we are now and what we want now. This why internet personalities can get online and grift, they ain't been properly vetted, no one credible is goin' head up with them, they ain't got any bread to sustain an organization to help black people and narrow talking points for the rest of us to have some direction. They just get online and talk, and for the last coupla decades that's all we been doin': talking.
The old organizations and leaders washed, no real young blood puttin' people together and resources up "speaking for the people", just a whole lotta talkin'. Yeah, issa handful o'people ery'where tryin' do somethin'. It's not like having a SCLC, NOI, CORE, NAACP, SNCC and those folks tappin' into the consciousness of a black political socioeconomic agenda and doin' it independently, articulately and truthfully. Now all's we got is paid opposition and sensationalism. What it is is this: where are black people trying to go in this country? We stickin' together or no?

Btw, mayo on a grilled chicken-tomato sandwich with pickle :blessed:.
What's the point when all you get is scorn, ridicule and hatred for daring to question the Democrtaic Plantation? Tariq is allegedly "not serious" and a "grifter" according to these shills, but he gets feds at the door, banned from ENGLAND, and is obviously on a bunch of watch lists. Black America is the dog that has been chained down so long, it doesn't move even after the chain is taken off.
 

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ADOS is organizing in chapters. I'm a member.

We too good to be 'led' by a Howard trained political scientist and a UCLA trained lawyer now? I'm technically better educated than both, but I didn't step up and neither did my peers.
Didn't know, that's good.

You don't have to step up to organize, you gotta work together. Are we doing that?
Most these threads become arguments without solution. That's the problem, we kill our own momentum.
But it take more than one group working together.
What's the point when all you get is scorn, ridicule and hatred for daring to question the Democrtaic Plantation? Tariq is allegedly "not serious" and a "grifter" according to these shills, but he gets feds at the door, banned from ENGLAND, and is obviously on a bunch of watch lists. Black America is the dog that has been chained down so long, it doesn't move even after the chain is taken off.
The point, you know who ready work and who not.
If black people, ADOS/FBA having their own organizations for their own needs is a problem for dem supporters they showin' they hand.
Use your vote, though nobody said organizing for your own special needs outside politics as a group to influence politics was outta the question because you exercise your right to vote. If more of us started running third-party candidates and voting third party just to split the vote, that would wake folks up.
If dems outright neglect blacks because they no longer getting the black vote or need it, it's telling...
Black people can be left leaning without being dems. We don't have options for our interests.
But somebody always gone find a problem, it's not gone be perfect but it's gone be a start.
 

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Didn't know, that's good.

You don't have to step up to organize, you gotta work together. Are we doing that?
Most these threads become arguments without solution. That's the problem, we kill our own momentum.
But it take more than one group working together.

The point, you know who ready work and who not.
If black people, ADOS/FBA having their own organizations for their own needs is a problem for dem supporters they showin' they hand.
Use your vote, though nobody said organizing for your own special needs outside politics as a group to influence politics was outta the question because you exercise your right to vote. If more of us started running third-party candidates and voting third party just to split the vote, that would wake folks up.
If dems outright neglect blacks because they no longer getting the black vote or need it, it's telling...
Black people can be left leaning without being dems. We don't have options for our interests.
But somebody always gone find a problem, it's not gone be perfect but it's gone be a start.
We're trying, but you see the resistance. We could show them in one election, but there's always a boogeyman and a bunhc of scary folks who won't stand up.
 

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We're trying, but you see the resistance. We could show them in one election, but there's always a boogeyman and a bunhc of scary folks who won't stand up.
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Stop attempting to build with people giving you resistance. Not productive.
having a SCLC, NOI, CORE, NAACP, SNCC and those folks tappin' into the consciousness
They not did recruit every segment of black people, just enough to tap into the consciousness and get the job done.

You're wasting time and opportunity waiting for everybody to come around.

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They might not ever come around. But there would be people you could build with.
Stop having time-wasting conversations when you know what to do. Do it.

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If you don't know how, find out.
 

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Undermining us economically.

Where are you? This may be regional (north/ the coasts vs the south), but its affecting the cities we're in outside the south.

I don't know about that. I'm in North Carolina.

"Migrants" magically end up in Black areas of these cities

There's nothing magical about it. It makes total sense that these types of immigrants (i.e. economic or political refugees) end up in neighborhoods where poor and working class black people also live. I don't know if they're getting access to public or subsidized housing, but ... if both groups of people are on the lower end economically, where does the "magic" apply in that?

There have already been pushes to allow them to vote

Pushes? Maybe on the local level, given that a lot of these immigrant families have lived here 20-30-40 years, and maybe ought to have a say in what goes on in their immediate community. But there is no serious effort to give them that right on the federal level.

These illegals are getting free resources (and eventually new credit profiles if the Dems have their way) to stack, open buisnesses and advance, while Blacks starve.
We ask for reparations, community resources, jobs, etc. "where is the money gonna come from?" or myriad other excuses. Illegals sneak into the country? HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS appear out of thin air to give them what Blacks have needed for 150 years.

Prove it. You have shown time and time again this desire to pit black people against every other group, as if they are getting every benefit in the world, while we get zero govt support. This is a demonstrable lie.

The Democrats are importing a new voting bloc, likely because Blacks are waking up and are unsatisfied with Benign Neglect. If this is wrong, then what is the endgame of letting millions of people in and funneling them into areas full of already poor, disenfranchised people that you're actively ignoring?

Well, for one, Democrats aren't "letting" millions of people in. There is an immigration process that every administration adheres to in more or less the same way, and deportations happen just as frequently under Democrat admins as Republican ones.

*Garbage YT links*

Again, links, not just what you heard or feel.

I'm not going off of feeling, these are demonstrable facts. I'm sorry I don't have all the time in the world to do your homework, and do the most basic of research to refute this bullshyt. But let's see:


Here's two sources showing the data that migrant arrests have gone way up, and the Biden administration is deporting at a higher rate than Trump did. I'd bet if I kept looking, the same was true for the Obama administration. You are a gullible sucker who has fallen for an obvious lie of "let every immigrant in, and give them all the welfare they want".

And is this your YouTube channel because it's embarrassing. I mean, the first video clips a Fox News (of all sources) clip in which the reporter misrepresents an interaction between some unknown person (maybe border patrol?) and an alleged migrant. She says the migrant claims he wears the shirt so they let him in. But it's clear from the interaction that the migrant doesn't know the names on the shirt. He has to be told it's the names of the President and Vice President, and only after realizing that he JOKINGLY states that he's wearing it so they can let him in. This isn't proof that the policy is to let in Biden supporters. Assuming a guy from Honduras knows the intricacies of Biden and Trump's platform on immigration, and is wearing the shirt as a sign that he knows Biden will let him and everyone else in is dumb and unsubstantiated. That migrant probably doesn't know anything about U.S. civics, or border policy. What's more likely true is this is someone desperate to get in (he's on crutches for godsake), probably given that shirt years ago (very common for America to ship clothing abroad that we don't desire (who wants a Florida State National Champs '23 shirt when they lost?)), and he wore it as a show of solidarity with America since it's red, white, and blue.


Abortion? How is this a Black issue? Democrat trickery. Only they push Black women to kill their kids. I wonder why :jbhmm:


How do you not have this basic knowledge??? Just think about the implications of a world in which every woman and child who gets pregnant has to carry said pregnancy to term. Or consider the world we live in now where there are severe restrictions in one state, so much so that even if remaining pregnant would likely kill them, doctors still won't assist in terminating the pregnancy. Women and children who don't have resources or support to maybe travel could very well die as a result. And obviously, if a certain group is, in general, less advantaged economically than another, then their lives are demonstrably more at risk if medical procedures like this are made more difficult to receive. If a 14 or 15 year old becomes pregnant, a white one is much more likely to have the resources and familial and community support to continue her education, or do anything really except be stuck in poverty. Not saying that's a guarantee, but it's much more likely due to structural factors outside of any of our will. And these are just a couple of examples, it's just a fact that people who tend to be poorer have less wiggle room for poor decisions.

Affirmative Action? Benefits WW and other "minorities" more than Blacks

People often associate affirmative action with efforts to end discrimination for people of color. But scholars say the greatest beneficiaries of affirmative action policies are white women, from college campuses to the American workplace.

How idiotic could you be? So because white women all receive benefits from affirmative action, that means black people receive zero??? Is that seriously your logic? Again, back to your zero-sum thinking of if any one besides black people benefit from something, then it's not a policy worthy of having. And if you read the article, it cites a labor dept. study which claims that between 1960-1995 5 million minorities were helped due to AA, and 6 million women. Now, this is a very vague break down, because I don't know how many of those "minorities" or "women" are black. Even if we assumed the majority of the "minorities" are black, and all 6 million "women" are white, that's still makes black people 40% of beneficiaries of AA. That's 4 million black people who got a fair opportunity at a job or school that they otherwise would not have had. Why eliminate, or denigrate it as you do here just because another 6 million white women as received the same thing? You would really take that away?

Of course people have a knee-jerk reaction towards race based benefits as opposed to gender, because people still view women as inherently weaker and needing of assistance, where they don't see that along racial lines. That doesn't change the facts of systemic and/or institutional racism, and as long as racial prejudices exist within those at the top (who are overwhelmingly white and male, by the way), you're still going to see discrepancies between the skill black people possess and our outcomes in regards to our success in education and careers.

This misses the point... what, do you agree with Republicans that AA should be done away with? That racial biases and systemic racism should not be corrected for in regards to like housing, employment and college admissions? Because sure, if it helps white women get into UNC, who cares if it also helped some black kids get in too, if it happens at a higher rate for white women, right? Shouldn't you be advocating that more be done to correct for this, rather than get rid of it all together? Or, I mean, of course if you just agree with Republicans, just say that.
 
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I don't know about that. I'm in North Carolina.



There's nothing magical about it. It makes total sense that these types of immigrants (i.e. economic or political refugees) end up in neighborhoods where poor and working class black people also live. I don't know if they're getting access to public or subsidized housing, but ... if both groups of people are on the lower end economically, where does the "magic" apply in that?



Pushes? Maybe on the local level, given that a lot of these immigrant families have lived here 20-30-40 years, and maybe ought to have a say in what goes on in their immediate community. But there is no serious effort to give them that right on the federal level.



Prove it. You have shown time and time again this desire to pit black people against every other group, as if they are getting every benefit in the world, while we get zero govt support. This is a demonstrable lie.



Well, for one, Democrats aren't "letting" millions of people in. There is an immigration process that every administration adheres to in more or less the same way, and deportations happen just as frequently under Democrat admins as Republican ones.



I'm not going off of feeling, these are demonstrable facts. I'm sorry I don't have all the time in the world to do your homework, and do the most basic of research to refute this bullshyt. But let's see:


Here's two sources showing the data that migrant arrests have gone way up, and the Biden administration is deporting at a higher rate than Trump did. I'd bet if I kept looking, the same was true for the Obama administration. You are a gullible sucker who has fallen for an obvious lie of "let every immigrant in, and give them all the welfare they want".

And is this your YouTube channel because it's embarrassing. I mean, the first video clips a Fox News (of all sources) clip in which the reporter misrepresents an interaction between some unknown person (maybe border patrol?) and an alleged migrant. She says the migrant claims he wears the shirt so they let him in. But it's clear from the interaction that the migrant doesn't know the names on the shirt. He has to be told it's the names of the President and Vice President, and only after realizing that he JOKINGLY states that he's wearing it so they can let him in. This isn't proof that the policy is to let in Biden supporters. Assuming a guy from Honduras knows the intricacies of Biden and Trump's platform on immigration, and is wearing the shirt as a sign that he knows Biden will let him and everyone else in is dumb and unsubstantiated. That migrant probably doesn't know anything about U.S. civics, or border policy. What's more likely true is this is someone desperate to get in (he's on crutches for godsake), probably given that shirt years ago (very common for America to ship clothing abroad that we don't desire (who wants a Florida State National Champs '23 shirt when they lost?)), and he wore it as a show of solidarity with America since it's red, white, and blue.





How do you not have this basic knowledge??? Just think about the implications of a world in which every woman and child who gets pregnant has to carry said pregnancy to term. Or consider the world we live in now where there are severe restrictions in one state, so much so that even if remaining pregnant would likely kill them, doctors still won't assist in terminating the pregnancy. Women and children who don't have resources or support to maybe travel could very well die as a result. And obviously, if a certain group is, in general, less advantaged economically than another, then their lives are demonstrably more at risk if medical procedures like this are made more difficult to receive. If a 14 or 15 year old becomes pregnant, a white one is much more likely to have the resources and familial and community support to continue her education, or do anything really except be stuck in poverty. Not saying that's a guarantee, but it's much more likely due to structural factors outside of any of our will. And these are just a couple of examples, it's just a fact that people who tend to be poorer have less wiggle room for poor decisions.



How idiotic could you be? So because white women all receive benefits from affirmative action, that means black people receive zero??? Is that seriously your logic? Again, back to your zero-sum thinking of if any one besides black people benefit from something, then it's not a policy worthy of having. And if you read the article, it cites a labor dept. study which claims that between 1960-1995 5 million minorities were helped due to AA, and 6 million women. Now, this is a very vague break down, because I don't know how many of those "minorities" or "women" are black. Even if we assumed the majority of the "minorities" are black, and all 6 million "women" are white, that's still makes black people 40% of beneficiaries of AA. That's 4 million black people who got a fair opportunity at a job or school that they otherwise would not have had. Why eliminate, or denigrate it as you do here just because another 6 million white women as received the same thing? You would really take that away?

Of course people have a knee-jerk reaction towards race based benefits as opposed to gender, because people still view women as inherently weaker and needing of assistance, where they don't see that along racial lines. That doesn't change the facts of systemic and/or institutional racism, and as long as racial prejudices exist within those at the top (who are overwhelmingly white and male, by the way), you're still going to see discrepancies between the skill black people possess and our outcomes in regards to our success in education and careers.

This misses the point... what, do you agree with Republicans that AA should be done away with? That racial biases and systemic racism should not be corrected for in regards to like housing, employment and college admissions? Because sure, if it helps white women get into UNC, who cares if it also helped some black kids get in too, if it happens at a higher rate for white women, right? Shouldn't you be advocating that more be done to correct for this, rather than get rid of it all together? Or, I mean, of course if you just agree with Republicans, just say that.
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