:bow:NBA Close To Establishing Policy On Flopping

[Black Ball]

Ain't nothing humiliating about getting the call by any means. It's a p*ssy ass way to play basketball, but it's not illegal. Flopping is effective because of what HHR was alluding to. It's a split second call on the spot that you have to make. shyt is difficult to differentiate at that pace. We have the benefit of slow motion 1080P HD 240HZ 3D, clear as day replays to determine what they should have caught in real time. It's getting to the point where we want technology to replace referees and umpires. Just have a CPU determine fouls and judgment calls like in video games. Unfortunately nothing is foolproof, and flops will be done as long as the benefit outweighs the consequences.

I think the stigma would bother some players like Maybe CP3 & Blake. If an interviewer brought it up to them and asked if they thought that was honorable way to play, some dudes gonna feel that shame.

nikkas like Manu & Shane Battier probably won't care because they are just having fun out there.

 

[Gravity]

Don't you think referees are already trying not to call flops as fouls? Do you really think they are calling it a foul, but in their mind they're thinking "Damn it was a flop, but I call flops as fouls?" No. They are deceived by players and by the speed of the game. They already look for flops as a judgment call to determine if it's a foul or not. You want them to try harder or something? A hefty fine and maybe something like having 5 or more occurrances equals a suspension may be the best way to approach this. You don't want them to call techs on players for a judgment call if we find out later that they actually were fouled.

So why don't you and others have this same apologetic "the game moves so fast and the refs are trying their best" attitude when it comes to all of the judgement calls that they make? People like you should never complain about the refs. It's funny to see people come up with BS to justify their opinions and positions. I can't get over your "the game is so fast and the refs are just trying their best" BS. Remember that the next time you're whining about the refs making bad calls against your team. Just tell yourself "they're doing their best, what you want them to do? Try harder?"

 

[tremonthustler1]

So why don't you and others have this same apologetic "the game moves so fast and the refs are trying their best" attitude when it comes to all of the judgement calls that they make? People like you should never complain about the refs. It's funny to see people come up with BS to justify their opinions and positions. I can't get over your "the game is so fast and the refs are just trying their best" BS. Remember that the next time you're whining about the refs making bad calls against your team. Just tell yourself "they're doing their best, what you want them to do? Try harder?"

There's a difference. Flopping or overselling a call doesn't mean a foul didn't take place. That's part of why players flop, because they don't gain anything by standing their ground other than a foul on them. The call could be correct. It's players that always gotta be extra with it that makes it intolerable.


The game needs better refs. The game needs to be called differently, dare I say objectively. It's too idealistic though. It's too far gone. Everyone else's remedy is to look at the replay.

 

[boskey]

I don't know hard it is, but it is damn sure a lot easier when you're watching it on your television at home and get to see all of the replays.

There's a difference. Flopping or overselling a call doesn't mean a foul didn't take place. That's part of why players flop, because they don't gain anything by standing their ground other than a foul on them. The call could be correct. It's players that always gotta be extra with it that makes it intolerable.


The game needs better refs. The game needs to be called differently, dare I say objectively. It's too idealistic though. It's too far gone. Everyone else's remedy is to look at the replay.

So why not just let them play? Thats really the only way to be objective. These are grown men. Professional athletes.

If the refs miss some fouls then so what, its still better than blowing the whistle every 45 seconds. I'm not saying playground rules...but a little bit closer to playground rules.

Basketball aint that dangerous, theyll be ok...

 

[Gravity]

There's a difference. Flopping or overselling a call doesn't mean a foul didn't take place.

The problem is that people don't know what flopping is or how to define it. You can flop while legitimately being fouled and you can flop without being fouled whatsoever. This is why it's going to be hard to punish players for flopping. First thing the league will have to do is define what flopping is and then make it against the rules, because accentuating contact or straight up acting is not currently against the rules. If the league is going to start punishing guys for flopping then they are going to have to create a policy that's fair and consistent. You're going to have to punish anyone that flops, whether it's a player who's flopping by exaggerating contact or whether it's a player who's just straight up acting.

 

[Black Ball]

So why not just let them play? Thats really the only way to be objective. These are grown men. Professional athletes.

If the refs miss some fouls then so what, its still better than blowing the whistle every 45 seconds. I'm not saying playground rules...but a little bit closer to playground rules.

Basketball aint that dangerous, theyll be ok...

This is how I feel. Too many ticky-tac fouls that end up deciding who wins & loses game. The NBA has the worst game in regards to contact & foul calls. Worse than College, WNBA, & International officiating. It's the NBA policy on keeping the game soft that is more of a problem than the refs themselves.

They go by the policy of: If in doubt, call it a foul. Instead of: Only call fouls that are sure things. Players will adjust. If a player can't finish with a little contact while going to the hole, he will stop going to the hole. NBA refs also call anticipation fouls, they call shyt by feel instead of actually what they saw.

Foul trouble has too big of an affect on an NBA game and these refs are way too loose with their whistles. Their needs to be an overhaul in their mentality.

 

[Black Ball]

The problem is that people don't know what flopping is or how to define it. You can flop while legitimately being fouled and you can flop without being fouled whatsoever. This is why it's going to be hard to punish players for flopping. First thing the league will have to do is define what flopping is and then make it against the rules, because accentuating contact or straight up acting is not currently against the rules. If the league is going to start punishing guys for flopping then they are going to have to create a policy that's fair and consistent. You're going to have to punish anyone that flops, whether it's a player who's flopping by exaggerating contact or whether it's a player who's just straight up acting.

I've heard Stern and others speak up on this numorous of times. They are looking to eliminate over-top-acting, where the goal is to deceive the officials. Bringing attention to real contact like drawing charges is out of the scope. If they are actually gonna fine a player, I'd imagine the video evidence would be cut & dry.

 

[Gravity]

I've heard Stern and others speak up on this numorous of times. They are looking to eliminate over-top-acting, where the goal is to deceive the officials. Bringing attention to real contact like drawing charges is out of the scope. If they are actually gonna fine a player, I'd imagine the video evidence would be cut & dry.

Well flopping is more than just the over the top stuff like in that Barom Davis example.

^^^Those are flops too even though there's contact. Both Paul and Parker are trying to deceive the officials to a certain extent. The same thing with Kobe and other players who yell "heeeyyyyy" everytime they drive the lane to the hole. They yell whether theres contact or not in an effort to make the refs think that they are being fouled. Its all flopping my man. If the league is going to punish players for flopping, then examples like those would have to count.

 

[wtfyomom]

HHR you are the biggest apologist. So you mean to tell me the game is "so fast" as you put it that the refs dont know a niggga like Bron whos built like a football player isnt going to go flying to the floor when a dude barely 6 feet makes contact with him? I mean lets be fukkin real. And Tremont you said "its getting to the point people want machines instead of people" you say that like its a bad thing. I want the calls correct, if a machine does it better than hell yeah give me machines. And the arrogance of these fakkits is what really gets me. They aint even humble about their mistakes. You getting paid over 100 grand to make calls any big fan of the game could make and you constantly fukkkking up blatant calls.

 

[FTBS]

if it looks like a flop, dont blow ur whistle.

the flopper looks like a dumbass and the game keeps playing on with him on the floor.

how hard is this??

Been saying it for years. nikkas will stop that shyt real quick when it starts resulting in open shots and fastbreaks for the other team rather than a stoppage or FTs.

 

[god shamgod]

Fining millionaires isn't the solution

They need to give techs or personal fouls for even attempting that non sense

Start giving in game penalities that can affect the outcome and they'll cut that bs out.Chris Paul is one of my favorite players and he's one of the kings of floppin

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

All this s**t aint even neccesary. Just dont call a foul or anything when somebody blantantly flops. It's simple

 

[Bilz]

what about players who flop and get fouled at the same time?

When most people talk about flopping, this is what they're talking about. There are very few of those plays where a guy like Chris Bosh is knocked unconscious by an elbow that never came within a foot of his face. The plays everyone has such a problem with are often plays where contact did occur but where the player has such an animated reaction that it looks like he made up the whole thing.

fukk fines, the only way to really stop this is for the officials to call the game with an even clearer bias than they already do. Treat these Manu/Fisher/CP3 types like the boy who cried wolf. Screw them over when they try to oversell the call and continue to screw them over when they actually do get fouled. Eventually they'd start playing the game straight up.