Breakfast at Wimbledon: Princess Serena goes for #SerenaSlam & #21

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thats cool, noone calls court the best of all time. and there are more than enough former tennis greats, players, and experts that have named Serena as the BOAT for me :manny:

Why not? Is it the "bill russell played in an unathletic league with less teams and inferior competition" effect applied to tennis?

Who was considered the female goat before Serena?
 
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As much as I love Serena I can't say she's the best just yet. Gotta take down Stefi Graff and Margaret Court's records first.

All in due time as long she's healthy.
So Tiger isn't the best since he's behind Jack Nicklaus?:dahell:Just looking at one number devalues the dominance that people like Serena and Tiger have displayed for quite some time.

Is Serena now in the jordan/ old Tyson/Tiger level of dominance of her sport? Or is she just a "female Lebron"

She's been on the level of the cats you mentioned for a long time, breh.
 

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Why not? Is it the "bill russell played in an unathletic league with less teams and inferior competition" effect applied to tennis?

Who was considered the female goal before Serena?
you're asking me why people like John McEnroe, Brad Gilbert and others don't consider court the best of all time? :dwillhuh: you gotta ask them.

anytime I see ANY tennis people talking about the best women's players ever, Chrissy evert, Pam shriver, etc its Steffi, Martina, & Serena as the debate.

Tennis channel did a top 100 players of all time in 2012, they had Steffi and Martina ahead of her. I'll take their word for it.

hell you can probably google plenty of "greatest womens players lists" and not find Court at the top of any of them

EDIT: if you are asking ME, why i consider her the GOAT. it's her sheer DOMINANCE over her competition. 21-4 in gram slam finals is ridiculous. being 33 2 months from 34 and still far and away the best player in the game. Graf would not have 22 slams had monica seles not got stabbed, she was killing her, while Graf was still in her prime.
 
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So Tiger isn't the best since he's behind Jack Nicklaus?:dahell:Just looking at one number devalues the dominance that people like Serena and Tiger have displayed for quite some time.



She's been on the level of the cats you mentioned for a long time, breh.

I don't know? Is he? I don't watch golf so all me as a sports fan has heard is he's chasing him in the record books.

Why would you put Serena over Steffi Graff? I can understand Court because of era, but Graff is modern. Since they're comparatively dominant with Graff having a one more, I don't see how we can say for certain she is better just yet.

Feel free to educate me as I'm admittedly a bigger Serena and Federer fan than I am a historian of tennis.
 

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I don't know? Is he? I don't watch golf so all me as a sports fan has heard is he's chasing him in the record books.

Why would you put Serena over Steffi Graff? I can understand Court because of era, but Graff is modern. Since they're comparatively dominant with Graff having a one more, I don't see how we can say for certain she is better just yet.

Feel free to educate me as I'm admittedly a bigger Serena and Federer fan than I am a historian of tennis.
I edited my post to say why I think she is better than graf
 

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you're asking me why people like John McEnroe, Brad Gilbert and others don't consider court the best of all time? :dwillhuh: you gotta ask them.

anytime I see ANY tennis people talking about the best women's players ever, Chrissy evert, Pam shriver, etc its Steffi, Martina, & Serena as the debate.

Tennis channel did a top 100 players of all time in 2012, they had Steffi and Martina ahead of her. I'll take their word for it.

hell you can probably google plenty of "greatest womens players lists" and not find Court at the top of any of them


Okay gotcha. Why is Martina generally considered ahead of Evert when they both have the same amount of majors at 18?
 

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EDIT: if you are asking ME, why i consider her the GOAT. it's her sheer DOMINANCE over her competition. 21-4 in gram slam finals is ridiculous. being 33 2 months from 34 and still far and away the best player in the game. Graf would not have 22 slams had monica seles not got stabbed, she was killing her, while Graf was still in her prime.

Just read about what happened to her :wow:

She was destroying everybody from the age of 16. Who knows how many more she would've got had that not happened.
 

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yep, tragic shyt man.

Some folks have argued it's curious that Court is largely absent from the greatest-of-all-time discussions, but the explanation is easy: As great an athlete as Court was for her time -- she stood 5-foot-9 and had such a terrific serve that her nickname on tour was "The Arm" -- Williams beats Court and just about every other contender for best ever when it comes to the eyeball test.

That -- even more than stats or her realistic shot of winning even more Slam titles -- is why Williams' best-ever candidacy is so strong.

Serena is more powerful than Graf, more athletic than Evert, and she has been able to sustain the No. 1 ranking and individual excellence at the majors at a later age than Navratilova, although Navratilova played singles to age 38 and held the top ranking over 100 weeks more than Williams has so far.

Graf's candidacy for best ever is also colored by the fact that her reign coincided with a time on the tour when Monica Seles, her most dangerous rival, was stabbed by a fan and left.

Serena, in contrast, has had to outlast or overcome challenges from myriad flanks: Her sister Venus, Martina Hingis, Justine Henin, Kim Clijsters, Lindsay Davenportand Jennifer Capriati -- all of whom won multiple Grand Slam titles -- and now, today's generation of rising stars.

Former world No. 1 Tracy Austin says, "I can't think of anybody -- even Roger Federer -- who holds the outcome on their racket more in every match than Serena."

"I look at Graf's numbers and I look at what happened to Seles, and I think, 'Wow, Steffi is great. But that [Seles' disappearance] is what padded her 22,'" says ESPN analyst Pam Shriver, a former US Open singles finalist herself who won 21 Grand Slam doubles titles with Navratilova.

@Alexander The Great knows his tennis :wow:
 

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And people don't realize how hard it is to be a professional tennis player hell professional anything.

People play tennis all around the US as amateurs. True story I have friend that plays tennis for fun. But she told a story of how people who are good on the amateur level like winning shyt will then think of trying to go against a former professional tennis player to see where they're at. She told the story of how a RETIRED former professional player came and this chick who had won the last tournament wanted to play the retired pro...........homegirl got her ass whooped :wow::wow:. And this former pro the highest she had been ranked in the pro circuit was like somewhere in the 70s :ohhh:.

Now this same chick never made it past the first two rounds of any grand slams yet just whooped this amateurs ass. Now think of the level Serena or Venus is at....they'd run THIS girl off the court :francis:
 
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