JMurder
SOHH Member since 01...
Yes, I have made logical points that have gone unanswered. You proved so in this post. I ask why Walt didn't immediately pick up the gun if he felt he needed protection. You tell me he wasn't afraid at that point in time? So the car ride to meet him is what convinced him he needed protection? You're making way more assumptions right now than someone who notices a guy took a gun, killed someone with a gun, and believes there was some form of premeditation in the act.
Except for the fact that you ignored my explanation in order to further your own point. I already stated that the scenes that were shown DO show an indecisiveness on Walt's part. From the point he first sees the gun to the moment Mike dies, there are multiple instances where Walt seems indecisive...unsure. The only way you can prove premeditation, is by ignoring multiple signs of indecisiveness.
Walt, Jesse and Saul have a convo about Mike right before Walt goes to meet him. Saul is clearly insinuating the possibility that Mike may be a risk as far as getting caught and flipping. Then Mike calls Saul not knowing Walt and Jesse are there in advance and asks Saul to bring him the go bag. He wasn't even planning on seeing Walt before he left, it just happened that way. If he wanted to set up Walt wouldn't he call him specifically and ask him to bring the bag? Or was Saul in on some plot to get Mike close to Walt, arranged a meeting with Walt and Jesse and planned to have Mike call at that time and knew Walt would volunteer to go? There is no reason to assume Mike had any inclination to harm Walt at that point in the game. You guys have sat there and watched Walt walk into much more dangerous situations while leaving himself vulnerable yet feeling secure because he thought everything through, but want to act like this isn't one of those situations?
Once again, your putting too much emphasis on what others have said. Stick with the facts instead of "someone said he did it cause he was scared." You accused the writers of bad writing because you can manufacture a scenario from what you've seen to assume premeditation. But the fact is, you really can't...Yes, there are reasons that Walt could have used to commit premeditated murder. Yes, Walt was very prepared to murder Mike when it came down to it. However, there is absolutely no clear point where we can pinpoint Walt had made a decision to murder Mike. If he had decided to do so as a result of what Saul said, he would've been shown packing heat after he volunteered to get Mike's stuff for him. It would've shown from step 1 that Mike was about to die, and built tension to the end of the show.
If he had decided to shoot Mike by the time he picked up the bag, he would've taken the gun out of the bag and immediately holstered it. It would've shown an opportunistic nature to get rid of Mike now that something unexpected has popped up like a gun. If he had decided to shoot Mike by the time he passed the bag over, he would've already been packing heat (assuming he wasn't already). Or if he had decided to shoot Mike by the time the conversation was done, he would've murked him out by the time he turned around to walk to his car (assuming he was already packing heat). Just way too much to ignore to say it was all premeditated. It was at most an inner conflict from the moment he saw the gun, and at the least was momentary loss of sanity. We can't really argue anything else.
I'll tell you why that's false. The names thing only came up because Mike wouldn't say thank you. You think if the names were really that important, he wouldn't have started the conversation off that way? No, what was important was the respect that Mike refused to give him. When it was clear Mike wouldn't, he said "fine, I'm gonna go after something that you're trying to protect because it could affect me." When he wouldn't give him that AND called his name out Walt became incensed and what happened happened. There was no thought process about "if he don't give me the names I'll kill him." It was all about egoI'll try and say it again...I'm not saying that clapping Mike is something he knew he was definitely going to do, but it was an option based on if he gave the names up. His ego being bruised in the process of trying to do that was the ultimate catalyst in what ended up happening. The creators of the show have stated he took the gun for protection, cool. They did a sloppy job of portraying it on screen. There was no indication of indecisiveness when he opened the bag. He had the same look on his face the entire time. Obviously he notices the gun and thinks something about seeing it. Claiming it's obviously indecisiveness displayed on his face is a lie. He does his best to get Mike to give him the names (asks him multiple times during their exchange) gets heated that Mike says no, get's his ego hurt by Mike saying it's all his fault and claps him.
To say I'm clearly wrong based on what I clearly saw going on on screen is stanning at it's finest. There's a scene of three guys talking about Mike being a risk of getting them all locked up and then a scene of one of those guys noticing Mike's gun. Then a scene of one of those guys killing Mike when he refuses to give up the names. Looking at it in that general sense the implication is obvious. When you start breaking it down even more, the fact that the implication is still a valid possibility points to the ambiguity of the whole thing.
How are you looking at scenes "in a general sense" and saying "it's poor writing." Obviously by looking at it the way you are, you're skipping the important clues and nods that define what happened. Walt's ego, mannerisms, and actions leading up to what happened are key and we have to judge based on the character...not "a guy killing another guy."
Now, there are flaws in the show...frankly, the whole plan involving the lawyer betrays Mike's whole character imo. It was very sloppy and unlike him. But I don't think you have a leg to stand on here.
There are other factual mistakes in your post, but I'm honestly not interested in writing any more paragraphs. This shyt is just going in unnecessary circles at this point.



RIP Mike


...where is it...
...you did what?....
