BREAKING: Deal to end government shutdown in reach. Democrats caving? Only asking for a PROMISE of a vote for ACA Tax credits.

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I cannot believe blue MAGA are in here justifying this idiocy. This could've been the first time in decades the dems showed some spine and you have idiots in here, somehow, justifying a waste of weeks worth paychecks not cut, insane lines at the airports, and hungry Americans. You fukking morons are exactly why republicans will keep dropping their nuts on the table and doing whatever the fukk they want with no consequences.
The reality is that this was a lose-lose situation for the Dems no matter what. If they didn't cave and the GOP/Trump removed the filibuster, healthcare costs and cuts would've happened regardless. Keeping the government shutdown while millions of people starve indefinitely was not an option for the Democrats, even in the name of healthcare subsidies, etc.

They weren't gonna stand by and let that happen for long, I feel like a lot of us just wanted the Dems to stand still to be, understandly, a$$holes to Trump and Republicans just for the sake of it, and hey I don't blame the sentiment but regardless, there's nothing Dems could've done to pressure Trump and 'em to fold. For that to have happened, it'd require one or two things, having a conscience, which Republicans clearly don't have one, and two, at the very least, Dems having 50% of the power in Congress, otherwise you'd been wasting time more trying to guilt them into submitting to signing the ACA credits while people potentially go without critical food assistance.

So while yes, it was nice to see Dems stand up to the GOP/Trump, in reality, that was only going to be effective for so long until things get out of hand, which has already started to happen.

As I stated, in October when the shutdown occurred, shyt didn't hit the fan as much because people were still receiving their SNAP benefits, and federal workers, although they had taken a hit, financially they'd be able to manage for that time, but once November 1st came, that's when shyt hit the fan. This strategy was a lost cause, and sorry to say, was nothing more than putting on a perception and image of being “standing tough/fighting against Trump/MAGA/Republicans” but nothing more or less.

For all we know, none of this may or may not have any bearing on the midterms, let alone the '28 election, shyt could turn out to be a non-factor. I'm not sure why some of y'all are being delusional thinking that the Democrats could've matched Trump and 'em energy, letting this shutdown extend into December, next year, January, February, etc, and think people suffering from not being paid, and millions of people's families and vulnerable individuals continue to suffer in sadness not knowing if they're going to have food as their hunger and livelihoods are being used for political gain by the President and his administration wasn't going to be a factor in the Dems deciding to cave.

I get it, when one isn't affected by the suffering and whatnot, it's easy for them to sit there and campaign for the shyt (shutdown) to continue because they're going to bed with a full stomach and receiving paychecks from their employer, etc that they get lost in the sauce, forgetting how other people aren't as safeguarded as you in these situations.

It's tone deaf and delusional to think this could've somehow gone the distance in Democrats' favor outside of perception but who are you trying to convince, most of the Democratic base is on lock, most of MAGA ain't being swayed no other way, and non-voters, well situations like this this could either make them more engaged to vote or simply become more apthatic.
 

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The reality is that this was a lose-lose situation for the Dems no matter what. If they didn't cave and the GOP/Trump removed the filibuster, healthcare costs and cuts would've happened regardless. Keeping the government shutdown while millions of people starve indefinitely was not an option for the Democrats, even in the name of healthcare subsidies, etc.

They weren't gonna stand by and let that happen for long, I feel like a lot of us just wanted the Dems to stand still to be, understandly, a$$holes to Trump and Republicans just for the sake of it, and hey I don't blame the sentiment but regardless, there's nothing Dems could've done to pressure Trump and 'em to fold. For that to have happened, it'd require one or two things, having a conscience, which Republicans clearly don't have one, and two, at the very least, Dems having 50% of the power in Congress, otherwise you'd been wasting time more trying to guilt them into submitting to signing the ACA credits while people potentially go without critical food assistance.

So while yes, it was nice to see Dems stand up to the GOP/Trump, in reality, that was only going to be effective for so long until things get out of hand, which has already started to happen.

As I stated, in October when the shutdown occurred, shyt didn't hit the fan as much because people were still receiving their SNAP benefits, and federal workers, although they had taken a hit, financially they'd be able to manage for that time, but once November 1st came, that's when shyt hit the fan. This strategy was a lost cause, and sorry to say, was nothing more than putting on a perception and image of being “standing tough/fighting against Trump/MAGA/Republicans” but nothing more or less.

For all we know, none of this may or may not have any bearing on the midterms, let alone the '28 election, shyt could turn out to be a non-factor. I'm not sure why some of y'all are being delusional thinking that the Democrats could've matched Trump and 'em energy, letting this shutdown extend into December, next year, January, February, etc, and think people suffering from not being paid, and millions of people's families and vulnerable individuals continue to suffer in sadness not knowing if they're going to have food as their hunger and livelihoods are being used for political gain by the President and his administration wasn't going to be a factor in the Dems deciding to cave.

I get it, when one isn't affected by the suffering and whatnot, it's easy for them to sit there and campaign for the shyt (shutdown) to continue because they're going to bed with a full stomach and receiving paychecks from their employer, etc that they get lost in the sauce, forgetting how other people aren't as safeguarded as you in these situations.

It's tone deaf and delusional to think this could've somehow gone the distance in Democrats' favor outside of perception but who are you trying to convince, most of the Democratic base is on lock, most of MAGA ain't being swayed no other way, and non-voters, well situations like this this could either make them more engaged to vote or simply become more apthatic.

I don’t get this need people feel to protect politicians.

Democrats picked this fight and they were right. If they were just going to give up, why put the country under stress of a 40 day shutdown?
 

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They only "caved" on the CR. They still have to vote again in January. I understand the strategy though I can understand why some may disagree. You force Republicans to vote BEFORE the budget vote in January. That way when senate Republicans vote against the extended ACA subsidies in December (which they will now have to vote on as part of the negotiation that just happened) and they don't budge on them, which they won't because they are Republicans, the senate will continue the filibuster in January and the government will shutdown again. Meanwhile federal workers get paid and people can travel during the holidays.

Not sure if this will work and I'm not sure if this is the best strategy, but it's not as roll over and die as the headlines may make it seem. I mean, if Trump is faced with a second shutdown in 2 months, that's going to be a bad look for him and republicans. On top of that they'll be facing another possible shutdown again in October right before the midterm elections.
 
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You can tell who really understands the nuances of politics and who doesn't

This was a deal reached by the Senate, the house Dems were not involved

GOP leadership targeted some Centrists Dems (not all), bc that's politics, you whip votes and target vulnerable members of the opposing party

I don't even blame Tim Kaine...he had his constituents in mind, considering NoVA has a high proportion of federal workers

Schumer's mistake was not getting all members of his party in the senate to fall in line

Jeffries has already denounced the deal

Politics is not reasonable so you dumb nikkas gotta stop acting like it is

Its politics for a reason


Is Schumer not in the senate?


Of course you don’t blame Tim Kaine he only ran directly against Trump and everything Trump stands for.

Schumer mistake was lining up the democrats who he knew wouldn’t need votes next go round.



Like always, the democrats, faced a problem and wanted the whole country to back them, only for them to walk away:yeshrug:
 
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I cannot believe blue MAGA are in here justifying this idiocy. This could've been the first time in decades the dems showed some spine and you have idiots in here, somehow, justifying a waste of weeks worth paychecks not cut, insane lines at the airports, and hungry Americans. You fukking morons are exactly why republicans will keep dropping their nuts on the table and doing whatever the fukk they want with no consequences.

How long do you think millions of people should have gone without food/money/healthcare?
 

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The biggest difference between the Republicans and the Democrats is that Dems actually care about people. Republicans don't give AF. That's why every time they come into power suddenly Medicaid, Medicare, social security and healthcare are all in danger. Cuts to food programs all over the world.

The bad part of the Dems acting like this is that sometimes they care about people TOO much. Ok you recognize that people in other countries are struggling and you want to help but you can't just open the borders and then make it even worse by giving them resources your own citizens need.
 

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That way when senate Republicans vote against the extended ACA subsidies in December (which they will now have to vote on as part of the negotiation that just happened) and they don't budge on them, which they won't because they are Republicans, the senate will continue the filibuster in January and the government will shutdown again. Meanwhile federal workers get paid and people can travel during the holidays.

Not sure if this will work and I'm not sure if this is the best strategy, but it's not as roll over and dies as the headlines may make it seem. I mean, if Trump is faced with a second shutdown in 2 months, that's going to be a bad look for him and republicans. On top of that they'll be facing another possible shutdown again in October right before the midterm elections.
That's the thing, man..they DON'T have to do anything in December. It's a pinky swear, and Mike Johnson already said he wouldn't promise bringing it to a vote if it did pass the Senate. So it's just symbolic so Dems can say they tried, but it won't matter cause the average voter will probably forget, won't care or will ignore why this is all happening a year from now.

They haven't officially caved yet, the vote is today so we'll see tho.
 
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