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there is no evidence omillions of russian casualities.
lower 6 figures max, but using OSINT like monitoring of grave yard sizes and social media posts thats ukrainian fantasy.
wrong people have been counting



Mediazona has verified 120,000 dead by name alone.

Data from Russia’s labour ministry shows the state subsidised the provision of 152,500 prosthetic limbs to people with disabilities in 2024. That marks a 53% increase on the previous year, when 99,200 artificial arms and legs were distributed – itself a sharp rise from 64,800 in 2022.

“The market has exploded,” said a prosthetics manufacturer in Moscow, who asked not to be named.



the ukrainian front has collapsed.

No it hasn’t.


So I don't know what you are talking about.
Sure you do.


Ukraine just doesn't have the demographics

Nobody is reading this right wing Nazi retard anymore after you embarrassed yourself

There is no ethnic russian and ukraine, they are the same.

Orc babble.


Nazi bullshyt no different than saying Sudentan Germans and Volga Germans are part of the greater Reich. If you were white you’d be a Nazi.

I said russian speaking, which in itself is a misnomer because they speak the same language. Ukrainian is better looked at as a dialect.
Most Russians can’t understand Ukrainian. Like saying Portuguese is a dialect of Spanish.





Russians soldiers are mostly killing Ukrainian nazis that fight. If you really want to be pedantic though, ukrainians are essentially russians who made their own identity so the whole war is russians killing russians on both side, or better slavs killing slavs.
So Ukrainians were genociding Russians, who are actually the same people who speak the same language and the Russians are killing other Russians?


Brilliant stuff :skip:
 
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Mediazona has verified 120,000 dead by name alone.

Data from Russia’s labour ministry shows the state subsidised the provision of 152,500 prosthetic limbs to people with disabilities in 2024. That marks a 53% increase on the previous year, when 99,200 artificial arms and legs were distributed – itself a sharp rise from 64,800 in 2022.

“The market has exploded,” said a prosthetics manufacturer in Moscow, who asked not to be named.





No it hasn’t.



Sure you do.




Nobody is reading this right wing Nazi retard anymore after you embarrassed yourself



Orc babble. The day we wake up line you up against a wall America will be a better place.


Most Russians can’t understand Ukrainian. Like saying Portuguese is a dialect of Spanish.



What IQ you operating at hillbilly?



So Ukrainians were genociding Russians, who are actually the same people who speak the same language and the Russians are killing other Russians?


Brilliant stuff chicken George.

You said million have died.

152 prosthetic limbs is useless, because the dead dont get prostetics.
120,000 dead would be lower 6 figues as most conservative estimates have it, 180 - 250 k died.

So you literally demolished your own claim of 1 million dead russians. Thanks.

A left wing german socialist is now right wing if they are honest about russia. LOL

Most russians can understand ukrainian and vice versa.

Yes the ukrainian front has collapsed. Russia penetrated their second line of defense last week.
This is was even reported by mainstream CIA/Western sources like Newsweek


Half of Ukraine speaks "russian" they share 60+% of the same words and can most likely understand the other languages when written. That said okay lets say they are seperate languages entirely.

Well I specifically said the Ukrainians were committing genocide on the russian speaking populace., and that fact is not in dispute. The actions of the Ukrainian government in murdering civilian populace and the response that led to the Donbass rebellion is documented. You should know that. The forcible rejection of russian speakers in public, the attack on the russian orthodox church and members, and the calls by ukrainian politians to kill subhuman russians is documented.
 

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You said million have died.

No I didn’t. I said a million casualties. Though the way you get maimed in this war you might as well be dead. Your chance of a normal life is zilch as you can see clearly with the hundreds of thousands of amputees.


152 prosthetic limbs is useless, because the dead dont get prostetics.
120,000 dead would be lower 6 figues as most conservative estimates have it, 180 - 250 k died.

I think it’s around 300k dead 1 million casualties (killed, wounded, missing) etc.

Either way 1 million casualties and who knows how many more mentally scarred young men are going home after spending the last 3 years dodging drones

Never mind the amount of Russians soldiers subject to rape and other sexual abuses. We know how you Orcs get down



So you literally demolished your own claim of 1 million dead russians. Thanks.
You didn’t know what casualties meant did ya?

A left wing german socialist is now right wing if they are honest about russia. LOL

Far left, far right, all retard. Don’t make me embarrass you again before you get bushed.

Most russians can understand ukrainian and vice versa.

No they cant

“It really depends on what you mean by 'understand'. You can get by half understanding half guessing in casual conversations. But once I really wanted to watch an interview available only in ukranian and gave up after 5 minutes - a couple of new words here and there and boom - you just missed the whole point.”




Listen, it’s never too late to not be retarded. I know your IQ isn’t the highest and it’s a struggle but your mental faculties seek to be intact. It’s about learning how to consume and filter information and realize your narcissism negatively affects your mental capacity. You need to come to terms with the fact you are thoroughly mediocre and that’s ok.

This way you don’t need to be contrarian for the sake of being contrarian because it’s stems from narcissism and not the pursuit of knowledge which should be neutral.

Yes the ukrainian front has collapsed.

No it hasn’t.


Russians attempted a deep penetration that was quickly neutralized. If the Ukrainian defense collapsed it would have worked but it didn’t.

Please stop using words like “front collapsed”. As someone that has read around 100 military books it’s utterly hilarious.

Russian forces are struggling to exploit the infiltration in the Dobropillya direction in the face of continued Ukrainian counterattacks. Ukrainian military observer Kostyantyn Mashovets stated on August 18 that Ukrainian forces recently liberated Zapovidne (formerly Nykanorivka) and Dorozhnie — both southwest of Dobropillya — at the very base of the Russian penetration east and northeast of Dobropillya.[32] Geolocated footage published on August 14 and geolocated on August 18 shows Ukrainian servicemembers detaining Russian soldiers along a windbreak southwest of Petrivka (northeast of Dobropillya), indicating that Russian forces advanced to the area prior to August 14 during the initial infiltration operation.[33] Additional geolocated footage published on August 17 and geolocated on August 18 shows Ukrainian forces raising a flag in Zolotyi Kolodyaz (northeast of Dobropillya), indicating that Russian forces had advanced to the settlement before August 17 and that Ukrainian forces were then able to liberate the area.[34] ISW had previously not coded these settlements as Russian advances on ISW’s maps due to the lack of geolocated evidence of Russian presence in either Petrivka or Zolotyi Kolodyaz.

ISW has observed indications that Russian forces are struggling to translate the initial tactical infiltration around Dobropillya into a wider operational-level breakthrough. Ukrainian Dnipro Group of Forces Spokesperson Colonel Viktor Trehubov reported on August 18 that Ukrainian forces collapsed the Russian salient in the Dobropillya direction by cutting off Russian infiltration elements from main forces, presumably by denying Russian forces the ability to supply and reinforce the infiltration groups at the scale necessary to exploit the infiltration.[35] Mashovets stated elements of the Russian 150th Motorized Rifle Division (8th Combined Arms Army [CAA], Southern Military District [SMD]) are attempting to bypass Volodymyrivka (southwest of Dobropillya) from the east in an attempt to threaten the flank of the Ukrainian forces currently threatening elements of the 51st CAA, which are holding a narrow penetration toward Dobropillya between Zapovidne and Novotoretske (southwest of Dobropillya).[36] Mashovets stated that Ukrainian forces advancing on the western side of the penetration are advancing faster than elements of the 8th CAA are advancing east of Volodymyrivka, however. Mashovets stated that elements of the 5th, 110th, and 132nd motorized rifle brigades (all 51st CAA) operating within the penetration are therefore "fracturing" in their efforts to support the base of penetration and can only hold a 2.5 kilometer width of territory within the penetration as a result.[37] A Russian milblogger recently warned that the Russian penetration east and northeast of Dobropillya was too narrow relative to its depth and therefore vulnerable to Ukrainian counterattacks and interdiction.[38] Russian milbloggers are also notably increasingly discussing the Rodynske direction (north of Pokrovsk and southeast of Dobropillya) as opposed to Dobropillya, indicating that failures to reinforce the initial infiltration are now being reflected in the Russian information space's reporting of the Pokrovsk direction.




Russia penetrated their second line of defense last week.
This is was even reported by mainstream CIA/Western sources like Newsweek
The article uses “infiltration” and not collapse and as you can see above it’s being actively neutralized.

Words mean things. Shall we add reading comprehension to your growing list of faulty hardwiring?


Half of Ukraine speaks "russian" they share 60+% of the same words
Spanish shares 80%-90% of their words with Portuguese. Spanish can’t understand portugues

Hell Italians and Spanish people can understand each other well is that the same language?

Please stop you’re really cementing your stupidity. I studied linguistics and have actual Italian, Brazilian, and Spanish friends and I can tell you how sharing words does not make it the same language


30-40% of Ukrainians speak Russian. 56% of Germans speak English. Are Germans English lol!




and can most likely understand the other languages when written

“Most likely” :laff: the internet’s free you dumb MF.

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Well I specifically said the Ukrainians were committing genocide on the russian speaking populace.,
So why are Kharkiv, Kherson and Odessa not being genocided?



and that fact is not in dispute.

During the build-up to its invasion of Ukraine, Russia falsely accused Ukraineof genocide against Russian speakers in the Donbas region. Ukraine fought a war against Russian proxy forces in the Donbas War from 2014 to 2022. Russia's president Vladimir Putin used this claim of genocide to justify the invasion of Ukraine. There is no evidence to support the allegation and it has been widely rejected.[1]

Following the invasion, Ukraine brought a case before the International Court of Justice (ICJ) to challenge Russia's accusation. During the proceedings of Ukraine v. Russian Federation, the ICJ said it had found no evidence of genocide. The International Association of Genocide Scholars also rejected Russia's accusation.[2] Further reports by 30 legal and genocide scholars warned that Russia's accusations are part of the "accusation in a mirror" technique, ultimately revealing the Russian incitement to commit genocide against Ukrainians.[3]



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I've never seen anything like Trump's love for Putin. I can't tell if it's just Twitter propaganda that he listens to or if he is actually compromised.

He literally rolls out a red carpet for war criminal Putin, then tries to pressure Zelensky into taking the worst deals possible. Today he's been spewing Russian propaganda again.
 

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He should have surredened the first week when Russia hit up keiv and then pulled back.
He would have kept the donbass and all they had to do was denazify and stop the nato non-sense.
He listened to that stupid Brit Boris Johnson and said no.
This is the consequence. If he doesn't surrender now it will get worse.
They do not have the means as a country to defeat russia.
No, he shouldn’t have done shyt :dahell:


I guess when I walk into your house and start taking shyt and keeping your family hostage, you're just going to surrender.. right?
 

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No I didn’t. I said a million casualties. Though the way you get maimed in this war you might as well be dead. Your chance of a normal life is zilch as you can see clearly with the hundreds of thousands of amputees.




I think it’s around 300k dead 1 million casualties (killed, wounded, missing) etc.

Either way 1 million casualties and who knows how many more mentally scarred young men are going home after spending the last 3 years dodging drones

Never mind the amount of Russians soldiers subject to rape and other sexual abuses. We know how you Orcs get down




You didn’t know what casualties meant did ya?



Far left, far right, all retard. Don’t make me embarrass you again before you get bushed.



No they cant

“It really depends on what you mean by 'understand'. You can get by half understanding half guessing in casual conversations. But once I really wanted to watch an interview available only in ukranian and gave up after 5 minutes - a couple of new words here and there and boom - you just missed the whole point.”




Listen, it’s never too late to not be retarded. I know your IQ isn’t the highest and it’s a struggle but your mental faculties seek to be intact. It’s about learning how to consume and filter information and realize your narcissism negatively affects your mental capacity. You need to come to terms with the fact you are thoroughly mediocre and that’s ok.

This way you don’t need to be contrarian for the sake of being contrarian because it’s stems from narcissism and not the pursuit of knowledge which should be neutral.



No it hasn’t.


Russians attempted a deep penetration that was quickly neutralized. If the Ukrainian defense collapsed it would have worked but it didn’t.

Please stop using words like “front collapsed”. As someone that has read around 100 military books it’s utterly hilarious.

Russian forces are struggling to exploit the infiltration in the Dobropillya direction in the face of continued Ukrainian counterattacks. Ukrainian military observer Kostyantyn Mashovets stated on August 18 that Ukrainian forces recently liberated Zapovidne (formerly Nykanorivka) and Dorozhnie — both southwest of Dobropillya — at the very base of the Russian penetration east and northeast of Dobropillya.[32] Geolocated footage published on August 14 and geolocated on August 18 shows Ukrainian servicemembers detaining Russian soldiers along a windbreak southwest of Petrivka (northeast of Dobropillya), indicating that Russian forces advanced to the area prior to August 14 during the initial infiltration operation.[33] Additional geolocated footage published on August 17 and geolocated on August 18 shows Ukrainian forces raising a flag in Zolotyi Kolodyaz (northeast of Dobropillya), indicating that Russian forces had advanced to the settlement before August 17 and that Ukrainian forces were then able to liberate the area.[34] ISW had previously not coded these settlements as Russian advances on ISW’s maps due to the lack of geolocated evidence of Russian presence in either Petrivka or Zolotyi Kolodyaz.

ISW has observed indications that Russian forces are struggling to translate the initial tactical infiltration around Dobropillya into a wider operational-level breakthrough. Ukrainian Dnipro Group of Forces Spokesperson Colonel Viktor Trehubov reported on August 18 that Ukrainian forces collapsed the Russian salient in the Dobropillya direction by cutting off Russian infiltration elements from main forces, presumably by denying Russian forces the ability to supply and reinforce the infiltration groups at the scale necessary to exploit the infiltration.[35] Mashovets stated elements of the Russian 150th Motorized Rifle Division (8th Combined Arms Army [CAA], Southern Military District [SMD]) are attempting to bypass Volodymyrivka (southwest of Dobropillya) from the east in an attempt to threaten the flank of the Ukrainian forces currently threatening elements of the 51st CAA, which are holding a narrow penetration toward Dobropillya between Zapovidne and Novotoretske (southwest of Dobropillya).[36] Mashovets stated that Ukrainian forces advancing on the western side of the penetration are advancing faster than elements of the 8th CAA are advancing east of Volodymyrivka, however. Mashovets stated that elements of the 5th, 110th, and 132nd motorized rifle brigades (all 51st CAA) operating within the penetration are therefore "fracturing" in their efforts to support the base of penetration and can only hold a 2.5 kilometer width of territory within the penetration as a result.[37] A Russian milblogger recently warned that the Russian penetration east and northeast of Dobropillya was too narrow relative to its depth and therefore vulnerable to Ukrainian counterattacks and interdiction.[38] Russian milbloggers are also notably increasingly discussing the Rodynske direction (north of Pokrovsk and southeast of Dobropillya) as opposed to Dobropillya, indicating that failures to reinforce the initial infiltration are now being reflected in the Russian information space's reporting of the Pokrovsk direction.





The article uses “infiltration” and not collapse and as you can see above it’s being actively neutralized.

Words mean things. Shall we add reading comprehension to your growing list of faulty hardwiring?



Spanish shares 80%-90% of their words with Portuguese. Spanish can’t understand portugues

Hell Italians and Spanish people can understand each other well is that the same language?

Please stop you’re really cementing your stupidity. I studied linguistics and have actual Italian, Brazilian, and Spanish friends and I can tell you how sharing words does not make it the same language


30-40% of Ukrainians speak Russian. 56% of Germans speak English. Are Germans English lol!






“Most likely” :laff: the internet’s free you dumb MF.


So why are Kharkiv, Kherson and Odessa not being genocided?





During the build-up to its invasion of Ukraine, Russia falsely accused Ukraineof genocide against Russian speakers in the Donbas region. Ukraine fought a war against Russian proxy forces in the Donbas War from 2014 to 2022. Russia's president Vladimir Putin used this claim of genocide to justify the invasion of Ukraine. There is no evidence to support the allegation and it has been widely rejected.[1]

Following the invasion, Ukraine brought a case before the International Court of Justice (ICJ) to challenge Russia's accusation. During the proceedings of Ukraine v. Russian Federation, the ICJ said it had found no evidence of genocide. The International Association of Genocide Scholars also rejected Russia's accusation.[2] Further reports by 30 legal and genocide scholars warned that Russia's accusations are part of the "accusation in a mirror" technique, ultimately revealing the Russian incitement to commit genocide against Ukrainians.[3]



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casualty is death my friend.
you said there were 1 million casualties. You have produced no evidence of such.

You call me a dumb ass yet you don't know the definition of simple words. SMH.
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S yeah lower 6 figures in casualties conservatively for Russia. Conservative estimates for ukraine in the 300k - 400k range in deathsm russians claim higher number.

Yeah 50% of Ukraine speaks russian, Ukraine the state launched a operation to kill russian speaking citizens. the president before zelenskey openly talked about how they would massacre the russian speakers in donbass that wanted to secede.

I have literally provided documentation for Ukrainian action as well, two documents produced before the invasion by the way.
 

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No, he shouldn’t have done shyt :dahell:


I guess when I walk into your house and start taking shyt and keeping your family hostage, you're just going to surrender.. right?
Yes, when you know you lost you make concessions uhnless you have the ability to repel and make a defense.

There is a famous sayings the Athenians told a tribe they were about to conquer called Melos
"The strong do what they can, the weak do what they must"
Ukraine was never an equal strength or had a destructive weapon to do demand Russia.
They listened to lies by the west and they sufferd for it.
 

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casualty is death my friend.

:laff:

“The word "casualty" has been used since 1844 in civilian life. In civilian usage, a casualty is a person who is killed, wounded or incapacitated by some event; the term is usually used to describe multiple deaths and injuries due to violent incidents or disasters”


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you said there were 1 million casualties. You have produced no evidence of such.

I said a million casualties and I have produced evidence.
You call me a dumb ass yet you don't know the definition of simple words. SMH.
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Wait this isn’t a larp? You really think casualties means only dead :skip:


Gotdamn boy you are dumb.


S yeah lower 6 figures in casualties conservatively for Russia.

Nope 1 million casualties


Conservative estimates for ukraine in the 300k - 400k range in deathsm russians claim higher number.
400,000 casualties




Yeah 50% of Ukraine speaks russian,

And 56% of Germans speak English? Are Germans English? Over 50% of Azerbaijanis speak Farsi. Are Azerbaijanis Iranian? Croats and Serbs share the same language. Are they the same people?




Please address this thread of Russians telling you they can’t understand Ukrainian so we can move on.



Again this stems from a mediocre IQ mixed with Narcissim. You need to come to terms with this.
Ukraine the state launched a operation to kill russian speaking citizens. the president before zelenskey openly talked about how they would massacre the russian speakers in donbass that wanted to secede.
Source?


I have literally provided documentation for Ukrainian action as well, two documents produced before the invasion by the way.

I believe an international body whose mission is to study and combat genocide supersedes your orc babble.





You’re flailing. You don’t understand enough about warfare, linguistics, history and politics to have this discussion. Like I said it’s not too late. Even if reading is hard for you we have things like audible now. You can get a lot of information without having to be able to read and parse information :yeshrug:
 

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There is a famous sayings the Athenians told a tribe they were about to conquer called Melos
"The strong do what they can, the weak do what they must"
Ukraine
Melos wasn’t a tribe it was a city state. The “Melians” were Dorians same as the Spartans who were their allies but neutral in the war.

In the end when the Spartans subjugated Athens they returned all the Melians to Melos.

Maybe you should take a lesson from that Orc.
 

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shyt like this is why I laugh when Americans give shyt to the WWE and anyone that does business with the Saudis

Like its doing business in America really that much different? Who is providing the money and weapons that Israel its using to kill children? From what country is the mercenary corp that its taking over Haiti? What country founded guerrillas and dictators in latin america creating political systems of violence and corruption that is still affecting these nations? And who is doing a peace negotiation that benefits the invading nation?
 

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:laff:

“The word "casualty" has been used since 1844 in civilian life. In civilian usage, a casualty is a person who is killed, wounded or incapacitated by some event; the term is usually used to describe multiple deaths and injuries due to violent incidents or disasters”


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I said a million casualties and I have produced evidence.

Wait this isn’t a larp? You really think casualties means only dead :skip:


Gotdamn boy you are dumb.




Nope 1 million casualties



400,000 casualties






And 56% of Germans speak English? Are Germans English? Over 50% of Azerbaijanis speak Farsi. Are Azerbaijanis Iranian? Croats and Serbs share the same language. Are they the same people?




Please address this thread of Russians telling you they can’t understand Ukrainian so we can move on.



Again this stems from a mediocre IQ mixed with Narcissim. You need to come to terms with this.

Source?




I believe an international body whose mission is to study and combat genocide supersedes your orc babble.





You’re flailing. You don’t understand enough about warfare, linguistics, history and politics to have this discussion. Like I said it’s not too late. Even if reading is hard for you we have things like audible now. You can get a lot of information without having to be able to read and parse information :yeshrug:
You are right. I link casualties with fatalities and I was wrong. there.
That said you didn't even bring in 1 million casualties to the Russians, you had 200k deaths and 200k prostetics. How did you get to 1 million?

I didn't say Germans were english, I said ukraianians and russians was better described as slav on slav.

That said the vast majority of the convlict in ukraine has been between ukrainians that speak russian in donbas vs ukrainians that speak russian and ukrainian in western ukraine. Russians did come in later and have largely killed ukrainina supporters of the state, not the ukrainians they allied with in Donbas and voted into the Russian federation.

Russians not understanding Ukrainian is no different than a mexican not understanding a puerto rican. I'll surrender the point though as its irrelevant. I can provide linguists who make the claim it is a dialect but there is no point in this topic as its tangential at best.

An international body that for years refused to identify what is going on in Palestine until this year. lol.
I have little respect for any international body that doesn't act fairly and consistantly like the UN.

Nothing to flail about.

I've been largely vindicated by reality.

You make the claim that Ukraine has had russian on the verge of collapse and defeat since 2022. I've said Russia has been dominating Ukraine since 2022 on the battle field.

Russia has all but driven out the Ukrainians from Donbas and are pressing to extend heavily outside of the Donbas.
They have broken through their defensive lines.
Ukraine has self admitally run out of personnel
Western nations have run out of weapons.
Russia's pregession is picking up.

I guess time will vindicate one of us, but it will most likely be me.
 

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Melos wasn’t a tribe it was a city state. The “Melians” were Dorians same as the Spartans who were their allies but neutral in the war.

In the end when the Spartans subjugated Athens they returned all the Melians to Melos.

Maybe you should take a lesson from that Orc.
Melos was a city state and a tribe of people as you stated Melians were what they were called, not dorians or spartans.
Yes they were the same ethnicity as the Spartans.

The spartans did kick the athenians out, after the athenians killed every man on the island and sold the women and children to slavary.

The point of the melian dialogue isn't that, even though it should be as every man died, its the phrase I gave you.

The strong do what they can, the weak do what they must.

You might want to actually think about the principle in that status. And no that wasn't a success for the melians
 

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You are right. I link casualties with fatalities and I was wrong. there.

You noticing a pattern here. You’re always wrong. :laff:


But this is a good first step. Now not knowing what casualties mean is pretty bad, but Rome wasn’t built in a day and you have the ability to overcome your faulty encoding and become a actualized human being if you want it bad enough :blessed:


That said you didn't even bring in 1 million casualties to the Russians, you had 200k deaths and 200k prostetics. How did you get to 1 million?

I didn’t come to 1 million. Independent sources and government agencies came to that number

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You can actual hear here how the figures are arrived at.

I didn't say Germans were english, I said ukraianians and russians was better described as slav on slav.

Slavs have been fighting each other for thousands of years. Germans have been fighting German peoples for thousands of years. Latin peoples have been fighting Latin peoples for thousands of years, what the fukk does that mean :skip:

Most Slavs hate Russia. Latvians, Lithuanians, Macedonians, Bulgarians, Slovenians, Croatians, Polish, Czechs etc.

What the fukk are you talking about?



That said the vast majority of the convlict in ukraine has been between ukrainians that speak russian in donbas vs ukrainians that speak russian and ukrainian in western ukraine.
Orc babble. Reread this sentence and make it coherent,


Russians did come in later and have largely killed ukrainina supporters of the state, not the ukrainians they allied with in Donbas and voted into the Russian federation.
Is this English?

Russians not understanding Ukrainian is no different than a mexican not understanding a puerto rican. I'll surrender the point though as its irrelevant.

:laff:

I can provide linguists who make the claim it is a dialect but there is no point in this topic as its tangential at best.

Source?

An international body that for years refused to identify what is going on in Palestine until this year. lol.
I have little respect for any international body that doesn't act fairly and consistantly like the UN.
source?


Russia has all but driven out the Ukrainians from Donbas
No they haven’t


and are pressing to extend heavily outside of the Donbas.

Not really
They have broken through their defensive lines.
No they haven’t


Ukraine has self admitally run out of personnel

No they haven’t

Western nations have run out of weapons.

No they haven’t

Russia's pregession is picking up.

No it isn’t
I guess time will vindicate one of us, but it will most likely be me.

You said that 3 years ago. See you in another 3 :mjgrin:
 

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Melos was a city state and a tribe of people

Was Athens a tribe, was Sparta a tribe :skip: you called Melos a tribe.

as you stated Melians were what they were called, not dorians or spartans.
They were ethnically Dorian and called Melians


Yes they were the same ethnicity as the Spartans.

The spartans did kick the athenians out, after the athenians killed every man on the island and sold the women and children to slavary.

And when the Spartans won they returned the Melians to Melos as stated in the histories.

The point of the melian dialogue isn't that, even though it should be as every man died, its the phrase I gave you.

The strong do what they can, the weak do what they must.

You might want to actually think about the principle in that status. And no that wasn't a success for the melians


I know what the dialogue is used for by fascists. The phrase is used by fascists to justify conquest.


In actuality in history Athens attacking a neutral city turned every other neutral city against Athens and basically let it be known that just being neutral did not protect you and Athens ended being defeated and subjugated for their hubris by turning everyone against them.

In relation to Russia. This is the lesson you should learn orc.
 

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Yes, when you know you lost you make concessions uhnless you have the ability to repel and make a defense.

There is a famous sayings the Athenians told a tribe they were about to conquer called Melos
"The strong do what they can, the weak do what they must"
Ukraine was never an equal strength or had a destructive weapon to do demand Russia.
They listened to lies by the west and they sufferd for it.

Trump supporters like yourself need to drop your address and let nikkas come to your homes and eat.

Take everything you own since you support that kind of weak shyt.

They are making a defense right now and have been doing so for years
 
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