Breaking: UK, France, and Canada Threaten Israel With Sanctions

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Why now? Israel genocided too much. Its too late to claim a moral high ground. Might as well let them finish or stay silent on the matter. They look stupid now.
Because this is the real world, not an online debate where your personal pride and ego get in the way of being mature. There's no such thing as being "too late" to stopping an ongoing genocide


What kinda person says let them finish the job since the already started it :what: :scust:there are still plenty of lives to be saved.

"Looking stupid" isn't a good enough reason
 

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Nothing is going to happen.
Hamas fukked around and they are finding out.
 
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If France wants to impose sanctions, it has to do it on an EU level, which is not going to happen, because they need the agreement of all 27 member states. Germany, Hungary, the baltics, and most of Eastern Europe are not going to sanction Israel.

French law permits them to place some sanctions on nations without the EU
 

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This shyt is all optics, they don’t gaf about the Palestinians and if they did, they would’ve stepped in decades ago. They see all the images of starving children making waves on social media and they can’t “morally” justify it and the new pope came in applied pressure so they do these empty ass threats.

Nothing will be done.
 

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Lets see what happens. I'm not holding my breath. A two state solution would require a war to actually enforce it. This means that the white countries(I'm tired of using the term 'the west' when countries like australia get included into that shyt and nobody means latin america or africa when they say 'the west') would recognize the Palestinian authority in the west bank as the government of palestine. If Hamas doesn't stand down(they very likely won't, they haven't held an election since they won in 2006) this means that UN peacekeepers will have to collaborate with the PA to FORCE them to stand down and at the same time keep Israel from stepping in to sabotage these operations and prevent a 2 state solution from happening.

It will be a bloody war, but at this point I'd much prefer armed men shooting at eachother than a state with sophisticated weaponry just dropping bombs on civilians. The Nazis at least put their victims in gas chambers or just shot them outright. What Israel is doing is somehow worse than what nazis did. Trying to give Palestinians their own state will just recreate what happened with jews and israel. It would be like if after WW2, Israel went to where east Germany would've been and the berlin wall divided them.

The best solution is a singular state which is secular. Palestinians retain unique status like the Catalans in Spain or Quebecois in Canada or French speakers in Belgium, but are free to move around in the country and the official languages are Hebrew, Arabic and English, there's a new constitution which guarantees equal rights and--again--reinforces its secular status. Instituting this state will require HEAVY military presence to make sure that Palestinians who have been displaced have either the right and funds to buy back their homes, or they are paid an "occupier's tax" levied on whichever Israeli is living in that land.

Again, this will involve a LOT of bloodshed. Many people will have to die, the US will either have to abstain and not get involved at all, or they'll have to back the United Nations and make sure that they keep Israel in check as this happens. South Africa didn't split into two countries when apartheid ended, it remained one country with changes and a truth and reconciliation process. Something similar would have to happen in this new state(I'll call it Israel-Palestine or Is-Pa for convenience).

Otherwise all these powers can really do is refuse to do business with Israel and allow it to become a financial drain on the US to the point where america says "enough" and moves away from it too and it withers away as it can no longer afford to keep starting shyt with its neighbors and then running to the US to clean up its messes while our people die here without adequate food or medicine. The lack of outside funding and military hardware will force israel to actually become diplomatic and try to reach agreements with their neighbors, let Gaza breathe, bankroll its reconstruction, take down the checkpoints, force hamas to hold free and fair elections overseen by the UN with candidates that include representatives from the Palestinian Authority and fully cooperate with the ICC and send its war criminals to the hague to be prosecuted.
 

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Because this is the real world, not an online debate where your personal pride and ego get in the way of being mature. There's no such thing as being "too late" to stopping an ongoing genocide


What kinda person says let them finish the job since the already started it :what: :scust:there are still plenty of lives to be saved.

"Looking stupid" isn't a good enough reason

If the West and Israel put 100% effort in ethnically cleansing Gaza frilom the beginning, this genocide wouldn't have lasted years. The West took over Afghanistan in less time and Gaza is significantly smaller.

We've made it worst by acting like it isn't what it is. I've said this from since the first month.

Netyahoo and his holy warriors are eager to keep this going to its done and no one is going to stop them. The only way to save the people of Gaza is move them.
 

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Lets see what happens. I'm not holding my breath. A two state solution would require a war to actually enforce it. This means that the white countries(I'm tired of using the term 'the west' when countries like australia get included into that shyt and nobody means latin america or africa when they say 'the west') would recognize the Palestinian authority in the west bank as the government of palestine. If Hamas doesn't stand down(they very likely won't, they haven't held an election since they won in 2006) this means that UN peacekeepers will have to collaborate with the PA to FORCE them to stand down and at the same time keep Israel from stepping in to sabotage these operations and prevent a 2 state solution from happening.

It will be a bloody war, but at this point I'd much prefer armed men shooting at eachother than a state with sophisticated weaponry just dropping bombs on civilians. The Nazis at least put their victims in gas chambers or just shot them outright. What Israel is doing is somehow worse than what nazis did. Trying to give Palestinians their own state will just recreate what happened with jews and israel. It would be like if after WW2, Israel went to where east Germany would've been and the berlin wall divided them.

The best solution is a singular state which is secular. Palestinians retain unique status like the Catalans in Spain or Quebecois in Canada or French speakers in Belgium, but are free to move around in the country and the official languages are Hebrew, Arabic and English, there's a new constitution which guarantees equal rights and--again--reinforces its secular status. Instituting this state will require HEAVY military presence to make sure that Palestinians who have been displaced have either the right and funds to buy back their homes, or they are paid an "occupier's tax" levied on whichever Israeli is living in that land.

Again, this will involve a LOT of bloodshed. Many people will have to die, the US will either have to abstain and not get involved at all, or they'll have to back the United Nations and make sure that they keep Israel in check as this happens. South Africa didn't split into two countries when apartheid ended, it remained one country with changes and a truth and reconciliation process. Something similar would have to happen in this new state(I'll call it Israel-Palestine or Is-Pa for convenience).

Otherwise all these powers can really do is refuse to do business with Israel and allow it to become a financial drain on the US to the point where america says "enough" and moves away from it too and it withers away as it can no longer afford to keep starting shyt with its neighbors and then running to the US to clean up its messes while our people die here without adequate food or medicine. The lack of outside funding and military hardware will force israel to actually become diplomatic and try to reach agreements with their neighbors, let Gaza breathe, bankroll its reconstruction, take down the checkpoints, force hamas to hold free and fair elections overseen by the UN with candidates that include representatives from the Palestinian Authority and fully cooperate with the ICC and send its war criminals to the hague to be prosecuted.
A very well thought out post .

I agree it will have to be bloody but this will have to happen over a large timescale

I think Having a secular state in that area is very much wishful thinking at this point . Middle Eastern populations revolted against secularism decades ago and the key ideal amongst Muslim extremists is to return back to the glory days of Islam..which was when strict adherence to Islamic principles (in their interpretation) was the norm .

A secular state with the ideas you promoted will just lead a large sect of Muslims to see it as a return to Jahilliyah…which is what they are fighting hard against …for hundreds of years in some cases….the Middle East needs a moment that causes a momentous cultural shift like the Seven Days War did to cause the mainstream acceptance of radicalism
 

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These countries are so full of shyt :mjlol:

Get the fukk out of Africa/Caribbean, fix the issues you caused there and in their respective countries (racism/Islamophobia).

It's indigenous communities in Canada who still don't have clean water, but we wanna condemn Israel.
:mjlol:
 
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