Brehs, am I overreacting?

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

Alright so to give you guys some context in this situation, I'm a rapper who's been independent -- like deadass been doing this by my lonely for years.

Even posted some of my work on here before: The Coli's First Female Rapper?

Recently, I decided to seek management and ended up finding somebody yesterday. This dude a relative referred me to. I actually met him a couple times but never knew he was involved in anything music-wise. So I chop it up with duke, getting a feel for him to see where his head's at on some business shyt.

Maaaaaan.


Dude is SUPER uncompromising. He kept urging me to perform at this showcase (which I'd have to come out of pocket for) and claimed it was to build up my fanbase, but when I offered up an alternative (basically going the grass roots route of recording, releasing, promoting, etc.) THEN performing he wasn't even trying to hear it.

Told me I needed to put out a "hit" and then push it, whereas I wanted to focus on cultivating classic bodies of work then choose a "hit" from that. But he wasn't trying to hear me at all. Told me I couldn't do that, but most of the artists with longevity have done that.


Then proceeded to say he uses his "hit" formula with all of his artists and it works. But last I checked, artist management is not a "one size fits all" type of job. What works for some may not work for others.

At this point, I'm just ready to say fukk it and look elsewhere.

But I wanted to get alternative opinions before I made a final decision.

You've been doing it your way for years....what was the point in hiring the manager in the first place?

You need to clearly identify why you are looking for management (what you expect to get from the relationship) being as specific as possible. Then you need to identify why you chose this manager in particular.

 

[postnutclarity]

The beat is not going to change how SHE sounds.... her prduction sounds really good and should not take the back sear to better camouflage her weaknesses

She is not a singer...however she sounds good on a hook..her voice is perfect for that especially on top of that production....outside of that its like she tries to be too abstract with her lyrics...putting many words in the bar going off beat which also messes up the flow of the music

I think she legit has something...but to say the production is thr problem is wrong....but shorty just wants to circle jerk herself she dont wont nobodies advice unless its to make her head bigger....already peeped her game....prideful and arrogant....

Alright fam. Now you're just talking out ya ass.

I'm trying to be civil, but I really think you want a reaction. So I'll give you what you're asking for.

One thing I don't take kindly to is a nikka throwing dirt on my name that doesn't even know me. Now, somehow you feebly analyzed the few messages that I posted in this thread and came to the fugazi conclusion that I'm "prideful and arrogant". But didn't bother to take into account the past experiences and dealings that I mentioned IN THIS SAME THREAD, that would lead me to reacting to this situation the way I did.

And instead of trying to empathize/understand where I'm coming from, you came in here confrontational and presumptuous as fukk - like you were looking for a fight.

In which case, makes you look like the a$$hole here. Not me.

So, if you'd be so kind...

Get the fukk out.

 

[Ghost Utmost]

@postnutclarity

I am trying to understand the need for a manager.

If you're able to pull together a recording on your own, next you need to play it for people.

I'd say in 2018 the best thing you can have is an interesting video. If you can get people to watch the vids then the nest step takes itself.

The entire issue is not with your method of delivering the content but the actual content itself.

I agree that you'll need one of your vids to really take off.. a hit.

Not that you should sit down and say "I am about to write this one hit" and focus on one song

CAUSE YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHICH ONE WILL POP

Try to make one a month or every 60 days. But you'll need to unearth that gem of yours if the hobby is supposed to turn into a jobby.

If you need help sounds like you need an actual producer or studio owner, not a manager. Someone who can do something you cant. You can promote your own shyt.

Most people get frustrated cause they aren't getting people's attention fast enough. But that's not the method of delivery, that's the product.

The right song has legs of its own and you gotta find it within you.

 

[postnutclarity]

You've been doing it your way for years....what was the point in hiring the manager in the first place?

You need to clearly identify why you are looking for management (what you expect to get from the relationship) being as specific as possible. Then you need to identify why you chose this manager in particular.

I wanted to hire someone who has the ability to further my career - who has the same vision as I do and is willing to compromise. I think I was VERY specific in my convo with him. I was even willing to compromise on some shyt, but it didn't seem like dude wanted to grant me the same courtesy.

 

[Jean Jacket]

I love this.

 

[Jean Jacket]

I wanted to hire someone who has the ability to further my career - who has the same vision as I do and is willing to compromise. I think I was VERY specific in my convo with him. I was even willing to compromise on some shyt, but it didn't seem like dude wanted to grant me the same courtesy.

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[Ghost Utmost]

As a rappity rapper myself I'm glad to hear someone just chopping slang and twisting words.

The average listener sadly doesn't have the level of concentration necessary to unwind the type of rhymes that appeal to other writers and critics.

All I would advise is to pull back a little bit on the density of words. Open up some empty spaces build up some drama. Use the dense flow as a climax after you set them up with easier bars or

Singing

You can certainly carry a note. You could maybe incorporate some Nelly-ish/Nate Dogg-ish/Speech-ish type flare within the overall structure to weave the listener in and out of more complex parts and lighter parts.

Sort of imagine it as a group. One is the singer, one is the ABC rapper, and one is the complex one. The audience needs it to be a ride. Same with video, stage show, or anything. Be switching from this to that regularly (doesn't have to be drastic. Even within one verse you can begin slowly and build up, or 'pass the mic' between sparse bars and dense ones).

You're definitely proficient.

 

[NoChillJones]

Alright fam. Now you're just talking out ya ass.

I'm trying to be civil, but I really think you want a reaction. So I'll give you what you're asking for.

One thing I don't take kindly to is a nikka throwing dirt on my name that doesn't even know me. Now, somehow you feebly analyzed the few messages that I posted in this thread and came to the fugazi conclusion that I'm "prideful and arrogant". But didn't bother to take into account the past experiences and dealings that I mentioned IN THIS SAME THREAD, that would lead me to reacting to this situation the way I did.

And instead of trying to empathize/understand where I'm coming from, you came in here confrontational and presumptuous as fukk - like you were looking for a fight.

In which case, makes you look like the a$$hole here. Not me.

So, if you'd be so kind...

Get the fukk out.

Bih I ain't got time to empathize with you we not together...


Aint nobody throwing dirt on your name....I said I think you're talented but your music is lacking


Everything else...kick rocks...you argumentative as fukk....why the fukk did you even ask the question .......you just want people to agree with you...thats pride....you ask for help then refuse the advice offered thats arrogance

 

[SnowflakesByTheOZ]

Do you have any prior experience in management at all?

I make music (rap but mostly produce) so I guess you can say I manage myself, I often give him (my friend) critique if he asks and sometimes suggest things that I would do/not do but I've never professionally managed anyone.

 

[NoChillJones]

Her 'weakness' isn't her ability to rhyme and I'm ambivalent towards singing. The beat is drowning out her rhymes.​

I have no problem with being abstract as it adds to the imagery, but I like lyricism and the beat isn't well-suited to her flow on this track, IMO.​

I didn't state 'the production is the problem'. I said the beat overpowers the lyrics. Not the same thing, although you may think differently. I actually wanted to hear what she had to say, but the beat kept getting in the way which is why I suggested a slower-tempo beat for this track to let her rhymes/wordplay shine. The production is fine......for another song. This one should have another beat or she should record different vocals for this beat.​

The track posted the beat went perfect with the singing...the singing went on too long...which is what exposed her skills fully ...I was impressed when it first came on...but about 1:30 in I went to the next track..had she added a rap verse after the first 4 to 8 bars it would have kept the interest for me at least..
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The next one she was actually spitting...

The only problem I had was the bars were to convoluted and try hard at times...when I was speaking on slowing down/simplfying the lyrics I was referring to her actually rhyming....

 

[...o3]

you going to try and hit?

...nope, i'm spoken for. anyway, like post wrote before...she keeps it pretty low pro, so i'm not sure if she's like me, and is into box.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

I wanted to hire someone who has the ability to further my career - who has the same vision as I do and is willing to compromise. I think I was VERY specific in my convo with him. I was even willing to compromise on some shyt, but it didn't seem like dude wanted to grant me the same courtesy.

Further your career how, tho?

For example, are you looking for someone with industry connections? Someone with demonstrated ability to launch careers? Someone to just do the minutia to carry out your vision (i.e. make the cold calls, review the contracts, etc)?


You keep saying "compromise" but I don't think there needs to be one. If y'all don't share the same vision, y'all should part ways. Your career is not a contract negotiation. I think you know this. If this guy had amazing connections or launched a bunch of major acts, you might consider just submitting to his expertise, at least temporarily to see if it worked. But it doesn't sound like he got clout like that. So yea, part ways amicably.

 

[postnutclarity]

Bih I ain't got time to empathize with you we not together...


Aint nobody throwing dirt on your name....I said I think you're talented but your music is lacking


Everything else...kick rocks...you argumentative as fukk....why the fukk did you even ask the question .......you just want people to agree with you...thats pride....you ask for help then refuse the advice offered thats arrogance

I wasn't just looking for people to agree with me. There were people who posted opinions contrary to mine which brought things more into perspective and made me contemplate more than one side of this situation.

Your posts just came off more hostile and brolic. Now if I misinterpreted the tone, then that's my bad. But you kinda came off like an a$$hole. Just saying.

 

[postnutclarity]

Further your career how, tho?

For example, are you looking for someone with industry connections? Someone with demonstrated ability to launch careers? Someone to just do the minutia to carry out your vision (i.e. make the cold calls, review the contracts, etc)?


You keep saying "compromise" but I don't think there needs to be one. If y'all don't share the same vision, y'all should part ways. Your career is not a contract negotiation. I think you know this. If this guy had amazing connections or launched a bunch of major acts, you might consider just submitting to his expertise, at least temporarily to see if it worked. But it doesn't sound like he got clout like that. So yea, part ways amicably.

I was looking for someone with connections. Which it initially seemed like he had, but the more I talked to him...the less it seemed like he had what I was looking for.

But you're right. I probably should pursue something/someone else.

 

[postnutclarity]

...nope, i'm spoken for. anyway, like post wrote before...she keeps it pretty low pro, so i'm not sure if she's like me, and is into box.

LOL. No, I'm not into "box".

Not that, that's anyone's business if I was.