Jack Don the G
What am I? A farmer?
Anyone fukking with the spammer can just go to the kanye thread and see for them self how he argues when logic becomes overwhelming for him.
Alright. I read the thread. I thought it was a good discussion through the first 3 pages. It went completely off the rails on page 4Anyone fukking with the spammer can just go to the kanye thread and see for them self how he argues when logic becomes overwhelming for him.
Alright. I read the thread. I thought it was a good discussion through the first 3 pages. It went completely off the rails on page 4At that point it was completely unproductive on both sides.
I did think that you made an excellent argument that I understand to be:
Obviously there was no disagreement over point one.
- K-Rino is a better MC.
- Kanye is able to infuse his message/music with pop sensibilities that lead to higher replay value and a larger audience, while still taking chances artistically.
- K-Rino is too one-dimensional. His music, while touching on a variety of subjects, ultimately sounds the same.
@The Ruler 09 disagreed on the second two points...highlighting that because you haven't heard all of his music you aren't in a position to speak on whether it all sounds the same. You argued you had heard enough (I disagree with @The Ruler 09 that you need to hear everything in order to offer an opinion on K-Rino's music...but he has a point that you don't have the knowledge base to assert that ALL of his music sounds the same).
The second point is ultimately subjective to me. It's all opinion - no way to objectively qualify something like that. It's not a fact like, say, The Infamous by Mobb Deep is the GOAT album.
Then a flood of posters (most of whom I think are good posters) who have previous beefs with @The Ruler 09 started jumping in and trolling him. It's the Coli - that what we do
I wasn't taking notes or anything like that - so if I misrepresent anyone's argument - it wasn't intentional.
I tried to simplify things as well.![]()
I thought it was a great discussion until about the end of page 3. I think the first salvo was fired by @Jack Don the G over K-Rino's shytty performing skills - but I could be wrong about that.If you noticed, was I not civil until dude started going off and being emotional?
That is the point, if you have different sounding albums how can you judge off 1 album? Would it not be unfair to judge Mobb Deep solely on Juvenile Hell and ignore The Infamous? Though I like Juvenile Hell by the way. It's the same with Kanye, if I hear just 808's how can I judge all his music just off that? Futhemore these people haven't even heard full albums but are hearing maybe a few random songs. In many cases less than 5, if I pick 5 random Kanye songs can I judge and condemn his whole cateologue base off that? Without full information? Not if it's fair no, and likewise.
I thought it was a great discussion until about the end of page 3. I think the first salvo was fired by @Jack Don the G over K-Rino's shytty performing skills - but I could be wrong about that.![]()
make threads bashing posters who discuss music and hiphop and align yourself with f@ggots and trolls breh
make threads bashing posters who discuss music and hiphop and align yourself with f@ggots and trolls breh
Yet you posted shirtless photos of HavocHe doesnt discuss music
In the Jack discussion he couldnt steer away from discussing stupid nonsense about conspiracies and agendas like a retarded illuminati conspiracy believing 12 yr old
Jack kept it about the music Ruler kept bringing Kanye's personality into it yet he keeps it music
He says except for CD Kanye makes effeminate music
Thats how u can tell he isnt discussing music because there is literally nothing effeminate about LR
Sht LR is actually less effeminate because it doesnt have that WOrkout plan song
Same with Graduation
He continues to gloat about how he's only discussing music while being delusional to the fact that all his arguments go outside of music
This is why ppl dnt fck wit him..because he's in such a state of delusion that he doesnt even have the self awareness to admit he's a k rino stan
Foh with urpost nikka
Perfect example of ruler 09 postingYet you posted shirtless photos of Havoc
I guess because posting shirtless photos of men proves the other guy is gay![]()
He doesnt discuss music
In the Jack discussion he couldnt steer away from discussing stupid nonsense about conspiracies and agendas like a retarded illuminati conspiracy believing 12 yr old
Jack kept it about the music Ruler kept bringing Kanye's personality into it yet he keeps it music
He says except for CD Kanye makes effeminate music
Thats how u can tell he isnt discussing music because there is literally nothing effeminate about LR
Sht LR is actually less effeminate because it doesnt have that WOrkout plan song
Same with Graduation
He continues to gloat about how he's only discussing music while being delusional to the fact that all his arguments go outside of music
This is why ppl dnt fck wit him..because he's in such a state of delusion that he doesnt even have the self awareness to admit he's a k rino stan
Foh with urpost nikka
I thought it was a great discussion until about the end of page 3. I think the first salvo was fired by @Jack Don the G over K-Rino's shytty performing skills - but I could be wrong about that.![]()
Nope, he was doing it even before that, i tried with dude at first to have an actual discussion, he didn't want to do that.
I dont really feel like getting into it again but yeah you are pretty much right. I was frustrated for being told "if it doesn't move you, then I question your knowledge of the work". So If I dont get moved by two of K-rinos tracks. I need to listen to all his other emotional tracks got get it? I dont see the logic in it. I had already made my points about kanye being able to also make tracks that hit home with people, and Ruler cant be the judge on how people relate to Kanye and his ability to move people compared to K-rino. Just because you use more words or "goes deeper" doesn't mean resonate deeper with people. I gave examples of that, elaborated on it. But when confronted with these kind of statements he either question your intelligence/ open mind or knowlage. If its not that he ignores them and focus single lines in my text and take them out of context and bring nothing to the table by writing it. for example. When talking about Kanye being able to reach so manyu people, he says stuff like ""I'd rather have 10 thousand true followers behind me , than 1 million of your fake fanatics behind me" - the great KRS-One. If you have to get fukked in your ass for people for more people to hear your music do you do it? Or sell out your manhood? Not me, not for 100 billion. I can't do that and won't do that. You have to have principles and integrity in life."
WTH does that have to do with what I just wrote, and who is he do judge is Kanyes fans are fake fanatics? Then he start talking about selling out which also dont bring anything til the discussion since its irrelevant to either you are a better artist or not. I still disprove this theory but he still goes on about it. We keep having a "discussion" for awhile and he keeps taking shyt out of context and deliberately try to twist shyt.
Then he says this shyt. "Maybe you don't relate to K-Rino, if you are a white guy maybe you don't relate to his music and Kanye is a more suitable acceptable artist to you. Not saying all white guys don't relate to his music , because many do, but you have to be a real dude, and have a certain conciousness about you.
The problem is you keep on talking about things you have NO understanding of, so it's futile having this debate in that sense. Because your just talking and saying things you know nothing about cause your in your emotions while I'm speaking knowledge and wisdom. I''m not sure if your capable of having this discussion if you can't grasp even the most basic of points I've made. Send someone else along to try lol."
I admit I had used an aggressive style of writing up until then but that's because its frustrating having to repeat stuff over and over again because he keep ignoring valid points by either ignoring or nitpicking stuff and bringing it out of context.
But now he's on some other shyt. How should I even respond to these kind of shyt he makes up? So thats when I start making fun of K-rinos live preformance. Nothing insulting in fact. Just by using pure irony. But I still make valid points since the ability to rock a crowd is part of being an MC. He tries to save face by posting a video of Kanye letting Tyler preform which is an stupid example of an live performance of Kanye. I then try to withdraw from the discussion by saying
"But like people have been saying in this thread earlier. Its stupid debating these two artist. They are to far apart musically.
So I will make another thread just where we take Eyedea vs K-rino instead. They are closer and there I will listen you the songs you post and compare them to the things I post. Okay?"
Since I also love music and love debating it. I was the only one still left trying to have and discussion with him. And I even was willing to keep debating on him but this time on a topic that I knew he wouldn't be able to hide behind calling Kanye a sell out or his fans stuid.
Instead he responds childishly "Lmao, so you talked a lot of shyt but when it came down to substance pussied out. Game, set and match lol.".
I call him a teenage boy and compare him to someone who read Kafka for the first time. But I still invite him to join the other debate.
He responds with this.
"You acting like the bytch made p*ssy you are. Originally gave you a chance to speak properly civilly but you decided a different route cause you got upset and you were taking a loss in every single post. You haven't though, every point you made I countered, you ducked shyt I said then retreated, lost so bad you just went and created a whole other thread lol. I might come in there sometime. But, you got challenged on statements and proclamations you made then when it came time to deliver you ducked and dodged it. Because deep down you know that what you said was erroneous and ridiculous and because you were emotional. Absolutely ridiculous, you are delusional and in denial, I was willing to continue but you ran off lol. I never was trying to change your mind, I was originally giving you the benefit of the duobt that you were sincere, but I saw your fakeness get exposed more and more during the course of the discussion "jack don the g", you didn't want to learn, you wanted to just talk shyt continuously, plus you lack the intellectual capacity to debate or the knowledge to be credible about the subject your debating. I don't believe I can change your mind because I believe you are a brainwashed clown who's mind is made up. You already retreated lol. Plus during the course of the discussion realized your intellect was extremely low level, that would be a reason you don't like K-Rino's music, you literally seemed incapable of understanding basic points in the discussion and incapable of recognizing what is relevant and not relevant to it. You embody the sheep point very well. Also you sound very white in your thinking and world view, I say this because K-Rino being an extremely pro black artist it would make sense you don't relate to him and your proppin up Eyedea instead because you relate to his shyt more. There are real white dudes who have intellect and righteousness, you are not 1 of them, and if your ethnic, which I don't believe you are your a sellout house motherfukker like some of your idols so that would make sense too."
I mean. How am I to have a debate with this guy?
Read the whole thread again, and I never say one bad word about K-rino. I only clowned his live performance after I gave up having a civil discussion with ruler. But Ruler kept clowning Kanye and the fans of his.
I rest my case.
Man, just give up. Even mobbinfms could see the first shot was me clowning his live performance. And that was even a weak shot. I Just used irony pointing out a flaw K-rino had.
But sure. Your the intelligent and wise one and Im a stupid white boy that dont know nothing.
Once more, irony.![]()
I dont really feel like getting into it again but yeah you are pretty much right. I was frustrated for being told "if it doesn't move you, then I question your knowledge of the work". So If I dont get moved by two of K-rinos tracks. I need to listen to all his other emotional tracks got get it? I dont see the logic in it. I had already made my points about kanye also being able to make tracks that hit home with people, and Ruler cant be the judge on how people relate to Kanye and his ability to move people compared to K-rino. Just because you use more words or "goes deeper" doesn't mean the track will resonate deeper with people. I gave examples of that, elaborated on it. But when confronted with these kind of statements he either question your intelligence/ open mind or knowlage. If its not that he ignores them and focus single lines in my text and take them out of context and bring nothing to the table by writing it. for example. When talking about Kanye being able to reach so manyu people, he says stuff like ""I'd rather have 10 thousand true followers behind me , than 1 million of your fake fanatics behind me" - the great KRS-One. If you have to get fukked in your ass for people for more people to hear your music do you do it? Or sell out your manhood? Not me, not for 100 billion. I can't do that and won't do that. You have to have principles and integrity in life."
WTH does that have to do with what I just wrote, and who is he do judge is Kanyes fans are fake fanatics? Then he start talking about selling out which also dont bring anything til the discussion since its irrelevant to either you are a better artist or not. I still disprove this theory but he still goes on about it. We keep having a "discussion" for awhile and he keeps taking shyt out of context and deliberately try to twist shyt.
Then he says this shyt. "Maybe you don't relate to K-Rino, if you are a white guy maybe you don't relate to his music and Kanye is a more suitable acceptable artist to you. Not saying all white guys don't relate to his music , because many do, but you have to be a real dude, and have a certain conciousness about you.
The problem is you keep on talking about things you have NO understanding of, so it's futile having this debate in that sense. Because your just talking and saying things you know nothing about cause your in your emotions while I'm speaking knowledge and wisdom. I''m not sure if your capable of having this discussion if you can't grasp even the most basic of points I've made. Send someone else along to try lol."
I admit I had used an aggressive style of writing up until then but that's because its frustrating having to repeat stuff over and over again because he keep ignoring valid points by either ignoring or nitpicking stuff and bringing it out of context.
But now he's on some other shyt. How should I even respond to these kind of shyt he makes up? So thats when I start making fun of K-rinos live preformance. Nothing insulting in fact. Just by using pure irony. But I still make valid points since the ability to rock a crowd is part of being an MC. He tries to save face by posting a video of Kanye letting Tyler preform which is an stupid example of an live performance of Kanye. I then try to withdraw from the discussion by saying
"But like people have been saying in this thread earlier. Its stupid debating these two artist. They are to far apart musically.
So I will make another thread just where we take Eyedea vs K-rino instead. They are closer and there I will listen you the songs you post and compare them to the things I post. Okay?"
Since I also love music and love debating it. I was the only one still left trying to have and discussion with him. And I even was willing to keep debating on him but this time on a topic that I knew he wouldn't be able to hide behind calling Kanye a sell out or his fans stuid.
Instead he responds childishly "Lmao, so you talked a lot of shyt but when it came down to substance pussied out. Game, set and match lol.".
I call him a teenage boy and compare him to someone who read Kafka for the first time. But I still invite him to join the other debate.
He responds with this.
"You acting like the bytch made p*ssy you are. Originally gave you a chance to speak properly civilly but you decided a different route cause you got upset and you were taking a loss in every single post. You haven't though, every point you made I countered, you ducked shyt I said then retreated, lost so bad you just went and created a whole other thread lol. I might come in there sometime. But, you got challenged on statements and proclamations you made then when it came time to deliver you ducked and dodged it. Because deep down you know that what you said was erroneous and ridiculous and because you were emotional. Absolutely ridiculous, you are delusional and in denial, I was willing to continue but you ran off lol. I never was trying to change your mind, I was originally giving you the benefit of the duobt that you were sincere, but I saw your fakeness get exposed more and more during the course of the discussion "jack don the g", you didn't want to learn, you wanted to just talk shyt continuously, plus you lack the intellectual capacity to debate or the knowledge to be credible about the subject your debating. I don't believe I can change your mind because I believe you are a brainwashed clown who's mind is made up. You already retreated lol. Plus during the course of the discussion realized your intellect was extremely low level, that would be a reason you don't like K-Rino's music, you literally seemed incapable of understanding basic points in the discussion and incapable of recognizing what is relevant and not relevant to it. You embody the sheep point very well. Also you sound very white in your thinking and world view, I say this because K-Rino being an extremely pro black artist it would make sense you don't relate to him and your proppin up Eyedea instead because you relate to his shyt more. There are real white dudes who have intellect and righteousness, you are not 1 of them, and if your ethnic, which I don't believe you are your a sellout house motherfukker like some of your idols so that would make sense too."
I mean. How am I to have a debate with this guy?
Read the whole thread again, and I never say one bad word about K-rino. I only clowned his live performance after I gave up having a civil discussion with ruler. But Ruler kept clowning Kanye and the fans of his.
I rest my case.
Man, just give up. Even mobbinfms could see the first shot was me clowning his live performance. And that was even a weak shot. I Just used irony pointing out a flaw K-rino had.
But sure. Your the intelligent and wise one and Im a stupid white boy that dont know nothing.
Once more, irony.![]()
I dont really feel like getting into it again but yeah you are pretty much right. I was frustrated for being told "if it doesn't move you, then I question your knowledge of the work". So If I dont get moved by two of K-rinos tracks. I need to listen to all his other emotional tracks got get it? I dont see the logic in it. I had already made my points about kanye also being able to make tracks that hit home with people, and Ruler cant be the judge on how people relate to Kanye and his ability to move people compared to K-rino. Just because you use more words or "goes deeper" doesn't mean the track will resonate deeper with people. I gave examples of that, elaborated on it. But when confronted with these kind of statements he either question your intelligence/ open mind or knowlage. If its not that he ignores them and focus single lines in my text and take them out of context and bring nothing to the table by writing it. for example. When talking about Kanye being able to reach so manyu people, he says stuff like ""I'd rather have 10 thousand true followers behind me , than 1 million of your fake fanatics behind me" - the great KRS-One. If you have to get fukked in your ass for people for more people to hear your music do you do it? Or sell out your manhood? Not me, not for 100 billion. I can't do that and won't do that. You have to have principles and integrity in life."
WTH does that have to do with what I just wrote, and who is he do judge is Kanyes fans are fake fanatics? Then he start talking about selling out which also dont bring anything til the discussion since its irrelevant to either you are a better artist or not. I still disprove this theory but he still goes on about it. We keep having a "discussion" for awhile and he keeps taking shyt out of context and deliberately try to twist shyt.
Then he says this shyt. "Maybe you don't relate to K-Rino, if you are a white guy maybe you don't relate to his music and Kanye is a more suitable acceptable artist to you. Not saying all white guys don't relate to his music , because many do, but you have to be a real dude, and have a certain conciousness about you.
The problem is you keep on talking about things you have NO understanding of, so it's futile having this debate in that sense. Because your just talking and saying things you know nothing about cause your in your emotions while I'm speaking knowledge and wisdom. I''m not sure if your capable of having this discussion if you can't grasp even the most basic of points I've made. Send someone else along to try lol."
I admit I had used an aggressive style of writing up until then but that's because its frustrating having to repeat stuff over and over again because he keep ignoring valid points by either ignoring or nitpicking stuff and bringing it out of context.
But now he's on some other shyt. How should I even respond to these kind of shyt he makes up? So thats when I start making fun of K-rinos live preformance. Nothing insulting in fact. Just by using pure irony. But I still make valid points since the ability to rock a crowd is part of being an MC. He tries to save face by posting a video of Kanye letting Tyler preform which is an stupid example of an live performance of Kanye. I then try to withdraw from the discussion by saying
"But like people have been saying in this thread earlier. Its stupid debating these two artist. They are to far apart musically.
So I will make another thread just where we take Eyedea vs K-rino instead. They are closer and there I will listen you the songs you post and compare them to the things I post. Okay?"
Since I also love music and love debating it. I was the only one still left trying to have and discussion with him. And I even was willing to keep debating on him but this time on a topic that I knew he wouldn't be able to hide behind calling Kanye a sell out or his fans stuid.
Instead he responds childishly "Lmao, so you talked a lot of shyt but when it came down to substance pussied out. Game, set and match lol.".
I call him a teenage boy and compare him to someone who read Kafka for the first time. But I still invite him to join the other debate.
He responds with this.
"You acting like the bytch made p*ssy you are. Originally gave you a chance to speak properly civilly but you decided a different route cause you got upset and you were taking a loss in every single post. You haven't though, every point you made I countered, you ducked shyt I said then retreated, lost so bad you just went and created a whole other thread lol. I might come in there sometime. But, you got challenged on statements and proclamations you made then when it came time to deliver you ducked and dodged it. Because deep down you know that what you said was erroneous and ridiculous and because you were emotional. Absolutely ridiculous, you are delusional and in denial, I was willing to continue but you ran off lol. I never was trying to change your mind, I was originally giving you the benefit of the duobt that you were sincere, but I saw your fakeness get exposed more and more during the course of the discussion "jack don the g", you didn't want to learn, you wanted to just talk shyt continuously, plus you lack the intellectual capacity to debate or the knowledge to be credible about the subject your debating. I don't believe I can change your mind because I believe you are a brainwashed clown who's mind is made up. You already retreated lol. Plus during the course of the discussion realized your intellect was extremely low level, that would be a reason you don't like K-Rino's music, you literally seemed incapable of understanding basic points in the discussion and incapable of recognizing what is relevant and not relevant to it. You embody the sheep point very well. Also you sound very white in your thinking and world view, I say this because K-Rino being an extremely pro black artist it would make sense you don't relate to him and your proppin up Eyedea instead because you relate to his shyt more. There are real white dudes who have intellect and righteousness, you are not 1 of them, and if your ethnic, which I don't believe you are your a sellout house motherfukker like some of your idols so that would make sense too."
I mean. How am I to have a debate with this guy?
Read the whole thread again, and I never say one bad word about K-rino. I only clowned his live performance after I gave up having a civil discussion with ruler. But Ruler kept clowning Kanye and the fans of his.
I rest my case.
Man, just give up. Even mobbinfms could see the first shot was me clowning his live performance. And that was even a weak shot. I Just used irony pointing out a flaw K-rino had.
But sure. Your the intelligent and wise one and Im a stupid white boy that dont know nothing.
Once more, irony.![]()