brehs lets examine Kobe 3 Seasons without Shaq and Gasol:

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I was thinking doing a thread like this once:
Player A 21.8 5.5 5.3 60%TS +/- 8.9 57-25 record
Player B 26.8 5.4 4.8 56% TS +/- 7.6 47-35 record
 
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Nah he scores 2 points in the 3rd and 4th quarters combined in his prime, to lose to the Suns after being up 3-1.

Claiming Kobe would have any type of success against the exact team that he got fukking swept by 2 rounds earlier, as the defending champs, as the unanimous favorite, with homecourt, is nothing but pure stannery-fueled nonsense.

You do realize that Kobe played better against the Mavs than Lebron right?

It was Kobes teammates who played bad, much like Lebron did for wade :umad:
 

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You do realize that Kobe played better against the Mavs than Lebron right?

It was Kobes teammates who played bad, much like Lebron did for wade :umad:
Kobe sucked against Dallas. His only good game was the one where he scored a lot of points but blew a huge lead and lost the game with a turnover and a buzzer brick.
 

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:dead: at the east/west arguments. Idiots try to argue that he would never get anywhere against the tough west teams every year and ignore the fact that in that hypothetical, one of those already tough west teams would have LeBron on its roster.
 

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You do realize that Kobe played better against the Mavs than Lebron right?

It was Kobes teammates who played bad, much like Lebron did for wade :umad:
Nah, Kobe was pretty wack as well. 23, 3 and 2 for the series :francis: Considerable drop off

Only scored 17 in games 3 and 4 in Dallas.

Almost as if, after they lost both home games to start the series...he kinda gave up :sas1:
 

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Now lets examine his teammates during these years:

Lamar Odom
Caron Butler
Brian Grant
Smush Parker
Luke Walton
Slava Medvedenko
Sasha Vujacic
Chris Mihm
Tierre Brown
Jumaine Jones
Chucky Atkins

What should his record have been?
bu bu bu bu you dont need help bron had to join 3 all stars
gawdbe can do it on his own :laff:
 

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None. Kobe was the 4th quarter for the Lakers when Shaq was riding pine.

That's a lie. Why don't we take a look at every close NBA Finals game they had together in that run?

2002 Game 1: Kobe only scores 2 points in the entire 4th quarter, and doesn't score at all in the final 9 minutes. Shaq scores 13 of the Laker's 20 points in the those last 9 minutes and the Lakers win by 5.

2002 Game 3: Kobe does much better, getting 11 in the 4th, though he misses 2 free throws with 42 seconds left and a 4-point lead. Shaq only scores 5 in the 4th, but hits the huge shot with 58 seconds left and a 2-point lead to make it a 2-possession game.

2001 Game 1, Kobe scores only 6 in the 4th quarter and overtime combined and blew the chance to win with 19 seconds left in regulation, while Shaq has 8 in the 4th and overtime and made the final Lakers shot in regulation with 1:57 left.

2001 Game 3, Kobe has only 3 points with 2 turnovers in the 4th, and it was Robert Horry who scored the final 7 points of the game. Shaq, meanwhile, has 6 in the 4th and made more shots in the last 5 minutes than Kobe did.


So in the 4 closest games of the 2001 and 2002 NBA Finals, Shaq outscored Kobe 32 to 22 in the 4th/overtime, hit a higher % of his shots, and made more big shots in the clutch. Kobestan narrative collides with the facts yet again.

Basketball Reference doesn't have 2000 play-by-play, but Kobe was absolutely ass in all but Game 4 that series (averaged 15/5/4 on 37% shooting).



And 4th quarters and lebron go together like like Biggie and LA.

False.

Lebron has a better 4th-quarter playoff career than Kobe in every way. Has averaged more points, on better shooting %, better all-around stats, and a better 4th quarter plus-minus. Better in the clutch too.
 

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Sorry OP but Harden is not even half the player Kobe was in his prime and he should consider himself lucky if he has half of Kobe's accolades when it's all said and done :francis:
 

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Another thing. Why is rockets fan thinking about Kobe while his team is in the WCF? :mjlol:
 
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