Brehs, The Chinese Room

[Recca Gatsby]

What yall know about this shyt? It was briefly explained to me but does this go into some deeper theory?


Chinese Room Argument | Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy

The Chinese Room Argument (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

Chinese room - Wikipedia

 

[DonKnock]

Up to this point, any sort of AI has only been capable of performing tasks that it has been programmed to do or programmed how to learn.

A human being able to mimic AI isn't revolutionary imo because AI came from humans in the first place

 

[Pressure]

It's been a while since I've gone over this. I'd have to give it another go, but I always found it to be fairly reasonable in the past based largely on limitations in computing power and machine learning. bookmarked

 

[Pressure]

I'm going to go into more depth. Fair warning, I may change my position. But one of my largest criticisms of this experiment was that it removed the interconnectedness that define humanity and language.

And a major part of humanity, at least regarding nature, is the ability to understand instruction and make sense of it. But for most humans or any sentient being that's the ability to be taught and being able to carry it out that lesson, particularly a similar situation without new orders.


Or simpler, the human was doing what the machine was doing.

Even when the rejoinder was to make it a thought experiment it ignored that every basic concept that it was only discredited when the third party agent learned they were duped. Despite being duped or learning they were duped, the Chinese room agent was always perceived to be intelligent.

As long as that test passes I see no value in this existential argument. Just as we wouldn't consider a handicapped person not human merely because they don't completely understand.

 

[Sukairain]

It's philosophy of mind.

I don't think you even need to go so far though, regarding whether or not AI can ever be conscious. In order for something to be conscious, it must first have an unconscious. Unconsciousness gives rise to consciousness. How are you going to program an unconscious? How are you going to code the ability to have dreams and nightmares? How are you going to write subconscious drives and desires that influence and control conscious behaviour without the conscious knowing what's going on? You can't. Machines can never be conscious because they cannot have an unconscious.