brehs, they are writing artcles about Lord Jamar in bougie magaznines like The New Yorker.

[StretfordRed]

It's the truth son
There's no stupid agenda targeting black males. You fools who believe that have watched too many Saturday morning cartoons lol

 

[hex]

We're talking facts though breh. Facts trump credibility, and opinions any day. The fact is, prior to Lord Jamar's Vlad segments, he really was and still is musically speaking, irrelevant. When I say that, it's not a slight or diss towards him, it's a fact. Within contemporary Hip Hop, Lord Jamar is largely irrelevant. His Kickstarter campaign failed, and that's a fact. He's 45 years old, that's a fact. Brand Nubian's hey day was twenty years ago, that's a fact. One For All is considered a classic by some, that's a fact. None of that is opinionated, none of that is disrespectful, it's factual. Just because these facts were written by someone that looks like a young John Hurt doesn't make it any less factual.

You cats keep saying the same shyt and totally miss the point.

Yes, all those are facts....what the fukk does any of that have to do with anything in the context of the article? We seriously needed to know his Kick Starter failed? We needed to be told that Lord Jamar hasn't been relevant in 20+ years to fully grasp what the article was saying?

Are you serious?

The writer isn't a hip-hop head. You can read his Twitter feed and realize that in about 2 seconds. And that's ok....but he actually had to research all that. He could've just said "rapper Lord Jamar" and kept it moving. It's "The New Yorker", they'd have no clue who the guy was if he was Lord Jamar, Killer Mike, or Milkbone, either way. I guarantee exactly zero of "The New Yorker" core readership was sitting there like "what a great write up of hip-hop luminaries, The Brand Nubians". The only reason to school people on Lord Jamar was to point out how irrelevant he is.

Fred.

 

[Wacky D]

Problem is, black fashion never appealed to the grown folk attire. It only appealed to High School kids and nikkas that refused to grow up. Outside of Sean John, no black designer pushed for a grown man appearance like a 3 piece suit and so on. And on top of that, the street culture lost its edge in the mid 00s and nikkas like Stack Bundles and Max B went to that Jamaican/ Euro style of tight clothes and so on.

bullchit.

theres no such thing as "grown folk attire".

grown folks generally wear whatever they were rockin during the last great years of their lives.

People are still giving attention to this racist old man out of touch with modern day culture.
Smh

sounds like hes more in touch with modern-day culture than you.

and theres no such thing as a racist black man.

 

[George's Dilemma]

You cats keep saying the same shyt and totally miss the point.

Yes, all those are facts....what the fukk does any of that have to do with anything in the context of the article? We seriously needed to know his Kick Starter failed? We needed to be told that Lord Jamar hasn't been relevant in 20+ years to fully grasp what the article was saying?

Are you serious?

The writer isn't a hip-hop head. You can read his Twitter feed and realize that in about 2 seconds. And that's ok....but he actually had to research all that. He could've just said "rapper Lord Jamar" and kept it moving. It's "The New Yorker", they'd have no clue who the guy was if he was Lord Jamar, Killer Mike, or Milkbone, either way. I guarantee exactly zero of "The New Yorker" core readership was sitting there like "what a great write up of hip-hop luminaries, The Brand Nubians". The only reason to school people on Lord Jamar was to point out how irrelevant he is.

Fred.

Respectfully, I disagree and actually I think it creates the perfect context and backdrop to explain where Lord Jamar is coming from. This whole conversation reminds me of what KRS said on I'm Still Number 1, with the "rap isn't even twenty years old" line. It's crazy when you think about it, and on a personal level, I can't believe it's been that long. I never would have envisioned it being where it is today, and have no idea where it's going. That said, Lord Jamar really is from a time frame that only the fanatics like "only some of us" on this message board can relate to. That said, I feel his concern as I'm concerned as well. However, I can't hold it against anybody who's not a fanatic of this sh!t, especially not a general journalist. Think about it breh, you've got plenty of heads on here that have acknowledged never listening to Puba or Brand Nubian, mostly because they were born almost a decade after that crew's hey day. You can't hold that sh!t against them.

Now going back to the facts presented by the journalist, consider the picture he's creating, and the audience he's creating it for. He has to provide a backdrop that will give the reader an idea where an old school emcee is coming from when he calls out certain happenings within the current culture. People are going to ask, who is fuggin Lord Jamar? Who does he think he is? Even more importantly, what was Hip Hop like when Lord Jamar and Brand Nubian were popular? When did it change? Why did it change? Was Lord Jamar unable to adapt, or did the culture get hijacked? There's a million other questions I can think of, but the writer I think did Jamar a huge service in providing people with a context to see where the "old man" was coming from. Where he's been, why he has the authority to speak on these matters today. This article provide a glimpse, a snap shot if you will, into the past, present, and questions regarding the future.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

You cats keep saying the same shyt and totally miss the point.

Yes, all those are facts....what the fukk does any of that have to do with anything in the context of the article? We seriously needed to know his Kick Starter failed? We needed to be told that Lord Jamar hasn't been relevant in 20+ years to fully grasp what the article was saying?

Are you serious?

Assuming you're not a heavy hip hop head...yeah you actually do need to be told all that to fully grasp what the article is saying, for full context...that he was a relatively diminutive figure in the current landscape of hip hop before the Vlad videos, isn't some negligible throwaway point...it frames the entirety of the story... Lord Jamar is somebody pretty much the entirety of hip hop hasn't given a fifth of a fukk about for decades...but yet has found himself, suddenly.. out of the complete blue and from relative obscurity, thrust into headlines once or twice every couple of weeks now with millions of views on videos he's done...those details differentiate him from current acts (Kanye could do an interview saying he hates chocolate ice cream and it'd make headlines) and other, more prominent hip hop elder statesmen like say a KRS, Ice Cube, Bun B, RZA, Ice T, Nas, Jay, Scarface, etc. who have commanded attention and respect for any other number of different things over the years...be it, they still actually have a fanbase for their music or have been consistently revered as authority figures in hip hop over the years for other reasons...and that's not even purely for "oh he's a washed up rapper that nobody cares about" purposes, that what he has to say resonates so loudly it singlehandedly brought him from out of relative obscurity says something about conflicting attitudes within hip hop itself...it's not like 100,000 people are clicking on his videos because people are just captivated by Jamar's star status or he was a magnet for conversation for everything he does or says.....it's more about WHAT he's saying than WHO specifically he is....you miss that bit of context without detailing his actual standing in current day hip hop...he's tapped into something that has exponentially increased his visibility as an entity in modern hip hop, relatively overnight...reactionary conservatism in hip hop

 

[hex]

Assuming you're not a heavy hip hop head...yeah you actually do need to be told all that to fully grasp what the article is saying, for full context...

I need to stop you right there. If this was any other media outlet besides "The New Yorker" I'd agree....but they don't care about any of that either way. Again, this could be Lord Jamar, or Freddie Gibbs. It's all the same to the average person reading "TNY", so why we needed a detailed history of his fall off from rap relevance, I have no idea. Other than to frame him as antiquated and out of touch with modern times, I mean. The readership would be just as likely to read the article with the summary given, or a simple "rapper Lord Jamar said". These are not people that give a fukk either way, nor do they have a knowledge of rap to care about how things used to be vs how they are now, in the context of the article.

For the sake of argument let's say I'm over reacting. The article reads exactly the same if you take out all the shyt I found disrespectful. The same point is achieved.

Fred.

 

[Why-Fi]

what fukkin boundaries are Chief Keef & Young Thug pushing? how bad you can sound?

 

[kermit da hustla]

.it's more about WHAT he's saying than WHO specifically he is...

this ranks awfully high among the list of the dumbest things i've read all day. most of the people who are watching his videos probably wouldn't care about what he's saying or even bother watching him if it weren't for the fact that he's lord jamar, one member of the seminal rap trio brand nubian.

i'm done.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

I need to stop you right there. If this was any other media outlet besides "The New Yorker" I'd agree....but they don't care about any of that either way. Again, this could be Lord Jamar, or Freddie Gibbs. It's all the same to the average person reading "TNY", so why we needed a detailed history of his fall off from rap relevance, I have no idea. Other than to frame him as antiquated and out of touch with modern times, I mean. The readership would be just as likely to read the article with the summary given, or a simple "rapper Lord Jamar said". These are not people that give a fukk either way, nor do they have a knowledge of rap to care about how things used to be vs how they are now, in the context of the article.

For the sake of argument let's say I'm over reacting. The article reads exactly the same if you take out all the shyt I found disrespectful. The same point is achieved.

Fred.

Yeah...i don't have that level of clairvoyance to speak for the entirety of the New Yorker readership,hasn't been my experience that they cater to such a non-discerning crowd where basic context is unnecessary...but you may be right ...just seems fairly obvious to me if you're writing about somebody critiquing contemporary hip hop, their standing within it is lowest-level pertinent background information ...If Stacey King popped out of nowhere and became a prominent critic of the modern day NBA, don't see how you write a piece about it without at least a cursory review of his playing career and what the hell he's been up since he left the league and NBA conversations...i mean, I understand not dwelling on it...but literally a couple of lines of purely factual information about their career?

 

[Long Live The Kane]

this ranks awfully high among the list of the dumbest things i've read all day. most of the people who are watching his videos probably wouldn't care about what he's saying or even bother watching him if it weren't for the fact that he's lord jamar, one member of the seminal rap trio brand nubian.

i'm done.

If the titles of his video was sh!t like "Lord Jamar, member of seminal rap trio Brand Nubian announces Brand Nubian Reunion Album" instead of "Lord Jamar calls Kanye West Half a faq!!!" do you think it'd receive even a FRACTION of the attention???

I'd venture to say a majority of the people watching those videos can't recite a SINGLE verse from Lord Jamar

 

[hex]

Yeah...i don't have that level of clairvoyance to speak for the entirety of the New Yorker readership,hasn't been my experience that they cater to such a non-discerning crowd where basic context is unnecessary...but you may be right ...just seems fairly obvious to me if you're writing about somebody critiquing contemporary hip hop, their standing within it is lowest-level pertinent background information ...If Stacey King popped out of nowhere and became a prominent critic of the modern day NBA, don't see how you write a piece about it without at least a cursory review of his playing career and what the hell he's been up since he left the league and NBA conversations...i mean, I understand not dwelling on it...but literally a couple of lines of purely factual information about their career?

You don't need clairvoyance to know that.

Let's put it like this....how many hip-hop articles has this guy written prior to this? How many hip-hop articles have appeared in "The New Yorker" period? Browsing their site, there isn't many.

This is obviously not their forte, any more than movie reviews were "The Source's" forte, despite a few appearing in there. And no, they never went into cinematography, or who the key grip was, or even who wrote the script most of the time. Because nobody gave a fukk.

And if you were writing an article on Stacey King for, let's say "Cosmo", then no you wouldn't need many details on his career aside from "former Bulls player", because the readership don't care. Or, at the very least, you wouldn't frame it as "NBA has-been Stacey King, weighing in on the NBA despite being totally irrelevant as a ball player". Is that factual? Yes....but it's completely irrelevant to the story.

Fred.

 

[Walt]

If the titles of his video was sh!t like "Lord Jamar, member of seminal rap trio Brand Nubian announces Brand Nubian Reunion Album" instead of "Lord Jamar calls Kanye West Half a faq!!!" do you think it'd receive even a FRACTION of the attention???

I'd venture to say a majority of the people watching those videos can't recite a SINGLE verse from Lord Jamar

No. No. No. And fukk no.

Your posts in this thread are legitimately upsetting me, fam. and that's not an insult of any sort. You're one of my favorite posters on this site, who through the years of reading and posting on this and the other board has been a voice of insight and thoughtfulness. And I respect the shyt out of your point of view, regardless of whether we've bumped heads in the past, which I'm sure you know. But this issue is so much bigger than Lord Jamar's prominence.

And let this be clear: Lord Jamar will never be irrelevant in hiphop culture. Impossible. Only to those who have no respect or selective respect for hiphop. You're right, a lot of people cannot recite a single Jamar verse. They don't know he has no tolerance for black ignorance. They don't know that every time he rocks a rhyme to show he's intellectual, girls want to get sexual. They don't know Rodney King ain't this Godly king. Fine. But there will come a day when people can't recite a single verse for any number of nikkas who spit relevant, classic, historically significant verses that you love and recognize as pivotal in this rap shyt. And that won't signify irrelevance, it'll prove a lack of general regard for the art form.

Be a buck and change with me: do you know who John Kennedy Toole is? Without a google search? And let's not even make it racial - though it most certainly is - do you know who James Alan McPherson is? Malcolm Lowry? Because I cannot imagine the vast majority of society knowing any motherfukking thing about these authors, but I guaranfukkingtee you that the New Yorker would never stoop to labeling them irrelevant. They wouldn't harp on their struggle with alcoholism. They wouldn't shame them with how long they went between publishing novels, collections, essays, etc. The relevance of these artists is in their contribution to the culture, and there's no expiration date on that, man. Lord Jamar's spot at the table is certified. I'm all for picking apart whatever parts of his opinion you disagree with, but beyond that people are shammin like a motherfukker and it's depressing to read.

Fine, some people don't know who he is or why anyone should care about Brand Nubian's debut album. Honestly, I don't have the patience to detail the significance right now. But that album was monumental. Rap records weren't selling crazy at that time, so you can't measure its impact that way. The music had New york - which was, at that point in time, the center of just about all important hiphop - on fire. The lyrics and videos were powerful to the point of being censored by some. The Stanford hat from the Wake Up video became a fukking thing, like for real, nikkas were copping that shyt like Raiders caps in the NWA era. The 5% shyt - whether confused or contradictory at points - was some ill shyt. The sound and the content influenced more artists than you can count, including cats like Ice Cube. Other rappers were hardcore Brand Nubian stans. I'm not inventing this. Puba, before the term was popularized by rap magazines, was King of New York. He jumped off style trends, r&b collab trends... Fam, the damn album got 5 mics, is on all time great albums lists... What more in the fukking hell does that album need to be respected by a research-oriented magzine like the New Yorker as something more than "underground" and "viewed by some as a classic" or whatever? That shyt is ultra foul, b. Again: there is zero chance the New Yorker would write that about much less relevant rock groups, poets, fiction writers, whatever.

I've been in rooms - too many fukking rooms - with people like the author of this piece. They are young, overeducated, wealthy, and rarely have they engaged the world on any meaningful level. They assert their values and ideas on subject matter, which is the opposite of what a publication like the New Yorker is supposed to do. They casually listen to rap for 5 years and begin dictating what's what about the history and future of it. They get jobs at the papers and magazines of record without any real credentials beyond an Ivy degree or connections. And they analyze the shyt they grow up on as if it's tantamount to the Dead Sea Scrolls while dismissing rap history with a casual wave of the hand as if they're evaluating a drawing their 4 year old cousin made.

Yes, Lord Jamar is old. Yes, his time has passed. Yes, he has regressive opinions. But, shyt, with prominent whites that gets them invited on panels and awarded prizes. For some reason that makes Lord Jamar the butt of a joke, and allows some random doofus CAC thhe platform to tell us who and what is irrelevant, and who and what is pushing the boundaries of hiphop. That shyt should not sit well with any nikka, at all. Maybe Lord Jamar doesn't chart with you like that, but soon enough it'll be a nikka you grew up on, whose contributions to this culture you recognize, and they'll give him the same brush off, trust. This shyt is disgusting, man. These people who do this are disgusting to me.

 

[hex]

No. No. No. And fukk no.

Your posts in this thread are legitimately upsetting me, fam. and that's not an insult of any sort. You're one of my favorite posters on this site, who through the years of reading and posting on this and the other board has been a voice of insight and thoughtfulness. And I respect the shyt out of your point of view, regardless of whether we've bumped heads in the past, which I'm sure you know. But this issue is so much bigger than Lord Jamar's prominence.

And let this be clear: Lord Jamar will never be irrelevant in hiphop culture. Impossible. Only to those who have no respect or selective respect for hiphop. You're right, a lot of people cannot recite a single Jamar verse. They don't know he has no tolerance for black ignorance. They don't know that every time he rocks a rhyme to show he's intellectual, girls want to get sexual. They don't know Rodney King ain't this Godly king. Fine. But there will come a day when people can't recite a single verse for any number of nikkas who spit relevant, classic, historically significant verses that you love and recognize as pivotal in this rap shyt. And that won't signify irrelevance, it'll prove a lack of general regard for the art form.

Be a buck and change with me: do you know who John Kennedy Toole is? Without a google search? And let's not even make it racial - though it most certainly is - do you know who James Alan McPherson is? Malcolm Lowry? Because I cannot imagine the vast majority of society knowing any motherfukking thing about these authors, but I guaranfukkingtee you that the New Yorker would never stoop to labeling them irrelevant. They wouldn't harp on their struggle with alcoholism. They wouldn't shame them with how long they went between publishing novels, collections, essays, etc. The relevance of these artists is in their contribution to the culture, and there's no expiration date on that, man. Lord Jamar's spot at the table is certified. I'm all for picking apart whatever parts of his opinion you disagree with, but beyond that people are shammin like a motherfukker and it's depressing to read.

Fine, some people don't know who he is or why anyone should care about Brand Nubian's debut album. Honestly, I don't have the patience to detail the significance right now. But that album was monumental. Rap records weren't selling crazy at that time, so you can't measure its impact that way. The music had New york - which was, at that point in time, the center of just about all important hiphop - on fire. The lyrics and videos were powerful to the point of being censored by some. The Stanford hat from the Wake Up video became a fukking thing, like for real, nikkas were copping that shyt like Raiders caps in the NWA era. The 5% shyt - whether confused or contradictory at points - was some ill shyt. The sound and the content influenced more artists than you can count, including cats like Ice Cube. Other rappers were hardcore Brand Nubian stans. I'm not inventing this. Puba, before the term was popularized by rap magazines, was King of New York. He jumped off style trends, r&b collab trends... Fam, the damn album got 5 mics, is on all time great albums lists... What more in the fukking hell does that album need to be respected by a research-oriented magzine like the New Yorker as something more than "underground" and "viewed by some as a classic" or whatever? That shyt is ultra foul, b. Again: there is zero chance the New Yorker would write that about much less relevant rock groups, poets, fiction writers, whatever.

I've been in rooms - too many fukking rooms - with people like the author of this piece. They are young, overeducated, wealthy, and rarely have they engaged the world on any meaningful level. They assert their values and ideas on subject matter, which is the opposite of what a publication like the New Yorker is supposed to do. They casually listen to rap for 5 years and begin dictating what's what about the history and future of it. They get jobs at the papers and magazines of record without any real credentials beyond an Ivy degree or connections. And they analyze the shyt they grow up on as if it's tantamount to the Dead Sea Scrolls while dismissing rap history with a casual wave of the hand as if they're evaluating a drawing their 4 year old cousin made.

Yes, Lord Jamar is old. Yes, his time has passed. Yes, he has regressive opinions. But, shyt, with prominent whites that gets them invited on panels and awarded prizes. For some reason that makes Lord Jamar the butt of a joke, and allows some random doofus CAC thhe platform to tell us who and what is irrelevant, and who and what is pushing the boundaries of hiphop. That shyt should not sit well with any nikka, at all. Maybe Lord Jamar doesn't chart with you like that, but soon enough it'll be a nikka you grew up on, whose contributions to this culture you recognize, and they'll give him the same brush off, trust. This shyt is disgusting, man. These people who do this are disgusting to me.

Fred.

 

[sun raw]

Lord Jamar's entire rhetoric is stuck in the past but even that's not enough to get me signing off on some outsider dude writing about hip hop like he knows the ins and outs.

 

[The Real]

No. No. No. And fukk no.

Your posts in this thread are legitimately upsetting me, fam. and that's not an insult of any sort. You're one of my favorite posters on this site, who through the years of reading and posting on this and the other board has been a voice of insight and thoughtfulness. And I respect the shyt out of your point of view, regardless of whether we've bumped heads in the past, which I'm sure you know. But this issue is so much bigger than Lord Jamar's prominence.

And let this be clear: Lord Jamar will never be irrelevant in hiphop culture. Impossible. Only to those who have no respect or selective respect for hiphop. You're right, a lot of people cannot recite a single Jamar verse. They don't know he has no tolerance for black ignorance. They don't know that every time he rocks a rhyme to show he's intellectual, girls want to get sexual. They don't know Rodney King ain't this Godly king. Fine. But there will come a day when people can't recite a single verse for any number of nikkas who spit relevant, classic, historically significant verses that you love and recognize as pivotal in this rap shyt. And that won't signify irrelevance, it'll prove a lack of general regard for the art form.

Be a buck and change with me: do you know who John Kennedy Toole is? Without a google search? And let's not even make it racial - though it most certainly is - do you know who James Alan McPherson is? Malcolm Lowry? Because I cannot imagine the vast majority of society knowing any motherfukking thing about these authors, but I guaranfukkingtee you that the New Yorker would never stoop to labeling them irrelevant. They wouldn't harp on their struggle with alcoholism. They wouldn't shame them with how long they went between publishing novels, collections, essays, etc. The relevance of these artists is in their contribution to the culture, and there's no expiration date on that, man. Lord Jamar's spot at the table is certified. I'm all for picking apart whatever parts of his opinion you disagree with, but beyond that people are shammin like a motherfukker and it's depressing to read.

Fine, some people don't know who he is or why anyone should care about Brand Nubian's debut album. Honestly, I don't have the patience to detail the significance right now. But that album was monumental. Rap records weren't selling crazy at that time, so you can't measure its impact that way. The music had New york - which was, at that point in time, the center of just about all important hiphop - on fire. The lyrics and videos were powerful to the point of being censored by some. The Stanford hat from the Wake Up video became a fukking thing, like for real, nikkas were copping that shyt like Raiders caps in the NWA era. The 5% shyt - whether confused or contradictory at points - was some ill shyt. The sound and the content influenced more artists than you can count, including cats like Ice Cube. Other rappers were hardcore Brand Nubian stans. I'm not inventing this. Puba, before the term was popularized by rap magazines, was King of New York. He jumped off style trends, r&b collab trends... Fam, the damn album got 5 mics, is on all time great albums lists... What more in the fukking hell does that album need to be respected by a research-oriented magzine like the New Yorker as something more than "underground" and "viewed by some as a classic" or whatever? That shyt is ultra foul, b. Again: there is zero chance the New Yorker would write that about much less relevant rock groups, poets, fiction writers, whatever.

I've been in rooms - too many fukking rooms - with people like the author of this piece. They are young, overeducated, wealthy, and rarely have they engaged the world on any meaningful level. They assert their values and ideas on subject matter, which is the opposite of what a publication like the New Yorker is supposed to do. They casually listen to rap for 5 years and begin dictating what's what about the history and future of it. They get jobs at the papers and magazines of record without any real credentials beyond an Ivy degree or connections. And they analyze the shyt they grow up on as if it's tantamount to the Dead Sea Scrolls while dismissing rap history with a casual wave of the hand as if they're evaluating a drawing their 4 year old cousin made.

Yes, Lord Jamar is old. Yes, his time has passed. Yes, he has regressive opinions. But, shyt, with prominent whites that gets them invited on panels and awarded prizes. For some reason that makes Lord Jamar the butt of a joke, and allows some random doofus CAC thhe platform to tell us who and what is irrelevant, and who and what is pushing the boundaries of hiphop. That shyt should not sit well with any nikka, at all. Maybe Lord Jamar doesn't chart with you like that, but soon enough it'll be a nikka you grew up on, whose contributions to this culture you recognize, and they'll give him the same brush off, trust. This shyt is disgusting, man. These people who do this are disgusting to me.

You have to post this in the comment section of that article. It's too good to waste preaching to the choir over here, and I guarantee nobody is seeing this or will be able to retort.