Bron from 2011-2018 had 8 consecutive finals appearances, from 2019-2023.... 1 finals appearance. What changed?

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Huge LeBron fan (I think he’s the GOAT) but if the pandemic didn’t mess up the Bucks momentum in 2020 and they faced them instead of the Heat in the finals, LeBron’s run with the Lakers would look very funny in the light
Woulda been a good series but nothing suggests the Bucks were ready for that degree of ball with how they choked the year prior; how they took advantage of inferior competition the year after; and how they've never replicated that fluke year since...
That's why I far more respect what Steph has accomplished.

That 2015-16 championship doesn't happen if he has to play in that West which featured a HEALTHY Warriors, Spurs (67 wins and hold the all-time regular season home wins record of 40-1) and OKC. (prime KD + Russ).

For years those teams were grueling it out while he faced little resistance out East, and it's why I'm glad that the '17-'18 Rockets team didn't advance through to the Finals that year. They would've loved the narrative of him beating a worn down, injury-riddled, CP3-less Rockets team that defeated the KD-Warriors.

Now he's out West he's no longer afforded that luxury. It's not just the occasional Big 3 Celtics matchup that he had to worry about out East, out West you're fed nothing but killers from out the gate.

I'm definitely not giving him a pass for any of these losses, these would've been far more commonplace during his prime as well if he wasn't hiding in the Eastern Conference.
"Nothing but killers out the gate"...

Kobe managed to choke series to the Phoenix Suns, who were such killers.....they lost to the Mavs...who were then backdoored in the NBA Finals.

The Suns were such killers they never, not even ONE TIME, made it thru the gauntlet to represent the West in The Finals 😂

Remember the Lob City Killers? What a fun time, can you remind me who they beat? Did they ever even win two playoff series?

You nikkas hate for LeBron is really love, the only teams that were consistently problematic in The West during his 15-year East career, was San Antonio, Los Angeles, and later Golden State. All those teams would be less successful if he spent 15 years in conference with them, and all those other "killer" West teams would have been food for him the same way they were food for LA, SA, and GS...
 

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Nah it doesn’t work like that. We gave Bron 2x the amount of time as MJ to convince us and he still trying, it ran its course.

Whether you or I like or dislike MJ doesn’t change history.
He’s convinced half the league already

In an anonymous poll of 142 NBA players conducted by The Athletic, Michael Jordan narrowly edged out LeBron James as the greatest player in NBA history, with 45.9% of the vote to James' 42.1%. This is the first time the lead in the poll was this narrow, with Jordan previously holding a larger lead in previous years




You’re old and retarded :bryan:
 

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In Bron's 15-year East career:

•the Spurs went 3-1 in 4 Finals and 4-3 in 7 WCF;

•the Lakers went 2-2 in 4 Finals and 4-0 in 4 WCF;

•the Warriors went 3-1 in 4 Finals and 4-0 in 4 WCF

Bron took a series apiece off SA and GS, so logically you can deduce one less Finals run for either team, so instead of 4 Finals appearances, they would have max of 3, and 2 Finals runs to LeBron....

You can logically say he'd take a Finals run away from the Lakers too. So at the bare minimum, if Bron played his 15 years in The West, he'd have 3 Finals appearances, and the Lakers, Spurs, and Warriors would all have 3 Finals appearances...

He never lost 3 Finals in a row so we know he wouldn't be 0-3 in those Finals. He's a better player at peak than the peak versions of the best players on those teams, so you could really give him more than 3 Finals runs, and subtract from those other guys. Those guys got to eat because it wasn't no LeBron in The West and beat up on Pretender West squads...

If he spent 15 years in The West he'd still be a multiple-time champion with several Finals runs...
 

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Nah it doesn’t work like that. We gave Bron 2x the amount of time as MJ to convince us and he still trying, it ran its course.

Whether you or I like or dislike MJ doesn’t change history.
Plenty of people think he is, you know that even if you disagree...
Year 22 expectations :wow:

2012-2018 Lebron sweeps Anthony Edwards and Julius Randle and the rest of this conference.
Bro none of these young nikkas or they teams fukking with apex LeBron...

I wanna see Minnesota win it all and I'm rooting for Randle, who is playing the best ball of his life. But Randle is historucally unreliable this time of year, peak versions of Bron is embarrassing this nikka. Ant is in Y5 and the bill is coming due soon on him getting to The Finals...

Jokic 10 years in this thang wirh only one Finals run...

Kawhi has spent his entire career save one season in The West, and has never led a Finals run as a #1 in this conference. Same for Harden, nearly entire career here and no Finals runs as a #1...

Booker's fluke Finals run came in a covid year and has done nothing to replicate that one genie in a bottle season, he's a career loser...

CP3 spent his whole career in The West and just has the one fluke year...

The Houston Rockets, from this iteration going backwards to the Yao/McGrady era, are underperformed generation after generation...

Luka is 7 years in with one Finals appearance he was thoroughly embarrassed in...

Shai is 7 years in with no Finals runs and is gonna get real heat if his teamz currently 72-14 on the year, can't win it all. But to date he already couldn't elevate as a 1-seed last year...

This conference is full of one-offs and Pretenders, only exception being Steph The Great. LeBron in his prime at the same time the rest of these guys? He'd be spanking these nikkas year after year...
 

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maybe, maybe not. but that holds no weight in my comments. i didn't bring up Mike, he did. but the facts are facts. there are HUNDREDS of comments where lebron disciples SLANDER JORDAN because of lebron stats at 40. they bring up his wizards years minus context (3 year layoff and playing on a torn meniscus) but as soon as lebron loses, its because he's 40 and the expectations are adjusted because of his age.

:gucci:
You asked what did he have to do with this, and I laid out why he may have been brought into the discussion :yeshrug:
 

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You didn't think this thru either but at least you were well-intentioned. LeBron averaged damn near 40 in the 2009 ECF, you know damn well he ain't the reason Cleveland lost that series...
Actually bud, you are the one who didn't think this one thru... which i understand because you are the proverbial LeBron stan... which is why i don't ever really bother responding.. but just to be clear...

I said this:
It's one of those things where the truth about his capabilities (in a team setting) probably lies somewhere in the middle.

i.e. can't feel sorry about the KD Warriors "robbing" him of 2 title runs with the imbalance they created, when him forming the Heatles gave him the same favorable imbalance for 2 titles. You can praise his 2015 or 2018 romp thru shytty East teams while recognizing that he looked just as dominate in his 2009 romp thru shytty East teams.. until he came across another all-nba superstar (Dwight) who couldn't be bullied in the ecf.

You can recognize his admirable 2014 Finals performance in a losing effort while also acknowledging his abysmal 2011 choke. There's enough years and situations to know he's not as bad ("LeBrick"/"LeChoke") as his haters make him out to be.. and that he's actually worked on and improved his game (esp his shooting)... but that he's also not this indomitable boogeyman (except when "he needs more help") that his stans claim he is either.

aka i didn't claim he was the reason Cleveland lost the 2009 series. I didn't bother reading the other stuff you jotted down... because everyone else understands what i'm saying by the boogeyman comment and they see i'm speaking from the perspective of someone who's watched his career since onset and neither subscribes to being an insecure hater of his or a dikkriding stan
 

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That's why I far more respect what Steph has accomplished.

That 2015-16 championship doesn't happen if he has to play in that West which featured a HEALTHY Warriors, Spurs (67 wins and hold the all-time regular season home wins record of 40-1) and OKC. (prime KD + Russ).

For years those teams were grueling it out while he faced little resistance out East, and it's why I'm glad that the '17-'18 Rockets team didn't advance through to the Finals that year. They would've loved the narrative of him beating a worn down, injury-riddled, CP3-less Rockets team that defeated the KD-Warriors.

Now he's out West he's no longer afforded that luxury. It's not just the occasional Big 3 Celtics matchup that he had to worry about out East, out West you're fed nothing but killers from out the gate.

I'm definitely not giving him a pass for any of these losses, these would've been far more commonplace during his prime as well if he wasn't hiding in the Eastern Conference.
I find it funny that you kats need to slander old man Bron just to make you feel validated in your belief that he'd not succeed out west:dead:.

If Bron started out in the west, he'd definitely have better squads, and would still have had at least 4 rings. Maybe more actually, since he'd have a better team.

Imagine him getting drafted by the Nuggets instead of Melo:dead:. Buddy might have gotten 3 rings by 2011.
 
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